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Posted by: leopold Jun 26 2009, 08:40 AM

I was watching the news late last night and I was shocked to hear of the death of a famous celebrity.

Their career started in the mid 60's and through the next couple of decades their fame and fortune knew no bounds. It all started to go sour towards the 90's and nobody has heard or seen much of them in many a year, save for the odd picture in those celebrity dross magazines showing off their latest bout of failed plastic surgery.

Yesterday, they passed away. I'm sure you are all with me in prayer for this fallen idol.

RIP Farrah Fawcett.



Oh, and some dude called Michael Jackson died as well.

Posted by: Mata Jun 26 2009, 12:47 PM

It's always the shock of a death that gives it greater impact. Farrah Fawcett has been ill with cancer for a long time. No-one expected Michael Jackson to suddenly be gone. Also, I daresay that there are a lot more Michael Jackson fans in the world and people who have enjoyed his music than people who can recall much of Fawcett's output. I knew she was in Charlie's Angels, but that was about it. I have owned three Jackson albums over the years and still think that Billie Jean is among the best pop songs ever written. They weren't really on a comparable scale of impact, so this isn't really like Princess Diana (rich, posh, troubled, and once held the hand of a person with AIDS) and Mother Teresa (religious, dedicated her life to helping the poor, withheld pain medication).

I've got no idea whether he did anything untoward with children. I don't think he did, I suspect he probably crossed normal adult/child boundaries, but I don't really believe he abused them. What I do know is that he was a musician who inspired many people.

Posted by: leopold Jun 26 2009, 01:47 PM

Oh dear, I see I need to label this kind of post as "Leo's being a sarky bleeder, just play along"...

I was watching the stream on Sky News last night in utter astonishment, much like I did on the day Princess Diana died and they were interviewing all these people. It was when they got to their correspondent in Los Angeles when she announced it'd been a funny day there, what with Farrah Fawcett dying as well, which was the one and only time it was mentioned while I was watching. My post was akin to the (understandably) skewed reporting, but switching the focus of the people involved. It was supposed to be a joke, in considerably better taste than some of the stuff I've been texted this afternoon.

Farrah Fawcett is famous for three things: Charlie's Angels, being married to Lee Majors (and the subsequent high profile divorce) and the horrendous facelift.

And for the record, I doubt Michael Jackson was guilty of the child abuse accusations either. I don't normally pay much attention to Danny Baker, but he hit the nail on the head when he said Michael's life path went "Baby, toddler, superstar." He never got the chance to grow up like people normally do and I think he'd been locked in that for all but the first 4 years of his life. It's very sad to see that, even in death, people are still asking the questions about the allegations when there are many other far more laudable things he should be remembered for. I think he should be left in peace now, but I suspect, like Diana before him, the crap will hang around much longer than the positive elements.

Posted by: Hobbes Jun 26 2009, 03:05 PM

I was online last night when a friend sent me a link to the news website that first broke this story. I remained awake well into the morning, watching and listening to the BBC's live coverage as more information became available.

I cannot claim to the be the world's biggest Michael Jackson fan, but I have certainly been in awe of the man since I was old enough to be aware of him. I understand that many people may dislike him for various reasons, or may not like his style of music, but I do not think that anybody can argue that he has been a massive inspiration to so many other people, including countless musicians.

Career-wise, I have also wanted to be involved in music; in particular the creation of it. Whilst I have never done anything more than pass a few singing exams and perform at a couple of local fundraisers, the one person I would have been so delighted to have met in such a capacity would have been Michael Jackson - a man who enriched my life with his music, and with so many songs that I have found inspirational.

There have been several high-profile celebrity deaths that have occured during the course of my life so far, and certainly there will be several more, but I was surprised by how much the news has affected me. I am very upset over the passing away of this individual: a person who I've never met, yet who has given me many things I treasure.

This is a very sad day, and I can only imagine how his family and friends must feel. I wish them all well.

Posted by: Hobbes Jun 26 2009, 03:07 PM

Incidentally, I actually think that the positive elements of Michael Jackson's life (his music, showmanship, etc) will remain the dominant focus for the future. Even the newspapers which sought to ridicule and attack him at every opportunity have declared him legendary and an inspiration. And for that, I am very glad.

Posted by: candice Jun 26 2009, 08:20 PM

Aw, man. With all of the news about Farrah Fawcett and Michael Jackson, I didn't hear that Ed McMahon had died as well until just now. But...but...he never got to show up at my door and make me a millionaire. His life's destiny is unfulfilled!

I thought it was a hoax when moop told me that Michael Jackson was dead. It just seemed so strange and unbelievable. I'm not sure why, exactly. I don't do the whole mourning for celebrities thing. Well, except for Jim Henson and Mr Rogers. I cried when they died, I'll admit.

Posted by: voices_in_my_head Jun 26 2009, 09:59 PM

I think when someone reaches a certain level of fame we stop thinking of them as humans, and more as idols. Seeing any major celebrity die is always a shock - we forget that they, too, will die eventually.


That probably came across as horribly depressing. My bad.

RIP, Mr. Jackson & Mrs. Fawcett

Posted by: LoLo Jun 27 2009, 03:57 PM

QUOTE (candice @ Jun 26 2009, 01:20 PM) *
I didn't hear that Ed McMahon had died as well until just now. But...but...he never got to show up at my door and make me a millionaire. His life's destiny is unfulfilled!


I was at the grocery store when I heard about Ed McMahon. The bagger's were talking and one said, "Ed McMahon died," and then the other bagger said, "The guy in charge of the WWE?!?" She spent the next five minutes trying to find out who was in charge of the WWE. If I had been more bold I would have said, "Publishers Clearinghouse dumb..." umm yeah. I'm glad I didn't though because it was the American Publishers Sweepstakes.

Posted by: Mata Jun 28 2009, 01:40 AM

Don't worry Leo, I know what you meant smile.gif I'd heard a couple of people that day saying 'But what about Farrah Fawcett?' and I couldn't help but feel that there was some kind of post-modern 'all celebrity deaths are equal' going on, and I had heard the comparison made to Lady Diana and Mother Teresa!

The news about Michael Jackson didn't really make me sad in a particularly concrete way. I think it's a shame that this great performer died at a low point in his career but when the future held so much promise. I doubt he was ever going to do an Elvis-style comeback to becoming culturally relevent again, the way hee was in the 80s, but it was possible and now we'll never know. He will always be one of the most important musical figures of the last century, it's just a great shame that the last major event in his life were the child abuse trials. Obviously, it's better that this happened after his acquital, but it still isn't a fitting end... Or perhaps it does fit the strangeness of the rest of his life.

It's odd: for a while he could have had anything in the world, but at the same time it seems like he never really had a chance to be human.

Posted by: syuu Jun 28 2009, 03:21 AM

shortly before Farrah died, there was a documentary put out on her struggle with illness over the years. certainly Michael Jackson's death was tragic, but Farrah helped put a human face on a terrible disease for people who haven't had any first hand experience with cancer, and I admire her for that. the more people that see and really understand what she went through and her own personal determination to try, the more they might comprehend the impact of cancer.

Posted by: monkey_called_narth Jun 28 2009, 04:23 AM



No I must say, I'm sad about both Ed and Farrah Fawcett.


However, As far as I'm concerned..... I can live without MJ. Even all the great things he did... Like helping to make plastic surgery a trend. His part in helping the defeat of self appreciation. Holding his new born baby out of a window. Proving that if a black man is rich, he really can be white. Not to mention his unproven 'child touching' thing, all of the drug scandals, and numerous lawsuits that had nothing to do with naked little boys.

Ed and Farrah Really did freaking rock! (Let's focus on this instead!)

Posted by: syuu Jun 30 2009, 01:17 AM

this could go on in circles for ages, but just as the child molestation accusations, the fact that he bleached his skin wasn't proven either. during a 1993 interview with Oprah, MJ went on about how much the tabloids and their claims had hurt him and adamantly denied any of it - he said that he had a medical condition and took hours a day trying to even his skin out because of the patches it caused. i believe what he had was called..vitiligo? i'm not sure, but we've gone over it in skin class at school many times and it does exist. he also stated in 1993 that yes, he'd had a few things done, so had everybody else in Hollywood. he had a good point with that in my opinion. many stars, even in the 90s, got cosmetic surgery. it was common, more or less, he was just focused on because of his fame. if you want to blame anybody for the downfall of self appreciation and self esteem, michael jackson is certainly not your first pick. thinspiration probably is.

the point of this is, nobody knows any of those things as fact aside from what he confirmed and what was (obviously) photographed. but people harping all the jacko rumors and saying 'screw him, he was crazy' need to understand what kind of public scrutiny he was under. the more the fame, the more insane the rumors. absolutely, it MIGHT be true, but again, it isn't something you or i know as fact. you're better off chalking him up as a troubled human being that passed away before he should have but still had a large impact on music and culture worldwide.

Posted by: leopold Jun 30 2009, 09:52 AM

Yes, Syuu, the skin condition is vitiligo. I once sort of knew a chap with it, he was in his early fifties and he was pretty badly affected by it, but his skin was very blotchy. I've spoken to other people who've met people with the condition and they are all of the same concensus. Now I'm prepared to concede this is a condition like any other which affects different people in different ways, in that it affects the pigment irregularly in much the same way as freckles or going grey. MJ went white very quickly and evenly, which would be more consistent with surgery than a condition.

I'm not saying he didn't have vitiligo, though; perhaps he did and the surgery was to cover up the unevenness. Let's face it, lots of people, famous or otherwise, use cosmetics to cover up blemishes or surgery to fix things up a bit. But who actually cares? And why should we? It's his life and his body, if he chooses to have surgery then it's not really anyone else's business.

I'm of the same opinion of MJ as I was (and still am) of Diana: He's dead now and can't defend himself. Let's leave him in peace.

Posted by: Mata Jun 30 2009, 12:12 PM

I get the same feeling about this that I got with Lady Diana's death, and which was best summarised by Eddie Izzard: 'Heeeeeey... I was watching that!'

Posted by: syuu Jun 30 2009, 05:58 PM

QUOTE (leopold @ Jun 30 2009, 02:52 AM) *
Yes, Syuu, the skin condition is vitiligo. I once sort of knew a chap with it, he was in his early fifties and he was pretty badly affected by it, but his skin was very blotchy. I've spoken to other people who've met people with the condition and they are all of the same concensus. Now I'm prepared to concede this is a condition like any other which affects different people in different ways, in that it affects the pigment irregularly in much the same way as freckles or going grey. MJ went white very quickly and evenly, which would be more consistent with surgery than a condition.

I'm not saying he didn't have vitiligo, though; perhaps he did and the surgery was to cover up the unevenness. Let's face it, lots of people, famous or otherwise, use cosmetics to cover up blemishes or surgery to fix things up a bit. But who actually cares? And why should we? It's his life and his body, if he chooses to have surgery then it's not really anyone else's business.

I'm of the same opinion of MJ as I was (and still am) of Diana: He's dead now and can't defend himself. Let's leave him in peace.



QUOTE (syuu)
took hours a day trying to even his skin out because of the patches it caused.


I agree with the rest. Your Diana opinion is wonderful. smile.gif

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