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 Apr 22 2009, 08:09 PM
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 Wait for the uprising  Group: Established Members Posts: 3,177 Joined: 7-April 05 From: In a cave in Scotland Member No.: 1,735 Gender: Female  |
QUOTE Wrong. Drugs go way beyond the user. I live in quite a nice area, and yet my kids have found used needles lying around when they've been playing out. I really, really don't want them to be exposed to this sort of thing. As well as this, there's an almost constant run of burglaries in the area to help fund these people's habits. The knock-on effect is much bigger than you seem to think, Izzy. Are you sure that if you legalised drugs, the needles would be kept at home because people wouldn't fear being caught with them? Or maybe they would be less ashamed of taking them to a hospital or doctor's surgery to be disposed of? I wasn't going to go into the drugs argument, but I think that you should think more carefuly about it instead of coming to silly conclusions and stereotypes. As for cigarette butts: are you sure that it's not just the fact that they are small and smokers are selfish people who don't think that the ends of their cigarettes really do any damage or harm to the environment? Or if they do, that they just don't care- after all, they are supporting one of the most corrupt and influential industries, next to oil and pharmaceuticals. Same notion of "don't care" comes into those who litter with beer cans- and those who litter anything, come to that. -------------------- We are unraveling our navels so that we may ingest the sun. DARIA IZ GOOD ON TOAST TOAST IZ GOOD ON DARIA |
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Apr 23 2009, 09:30 AM
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 Roger Rabbit, having hit the skids, is now busking for a living. Group: Moderators Posts: 8,645 Joined: 4-March 03 From: In front of the screen Member No.: 95 Gender: Male |
QUOTE (Daria @ Apr 22 2009, 09:09 PM)  Are you sure that if you legalised drugs, the needles would be kept at home because people wouldn't fear being caught with them? Or maybe they would be less ashamed of taking them to a hospital or doctor's surgery to be disposed of? I never said that, Daria. I was pointing out the social impact of drug use. If drugs were legalised, I'd expect to find more of them on the floor or in my hedges. QUOTE (Daria @ Apr 22 2009, 09:09 PM) I wasn't going to go into the drugs argument, but I think that you should think more carefuly about it instead of coming to silly conclusions and stereotypes. And perhaps you would like to ask my reasons for drawing these conclusions, rather than just assuming I'm being silly and stereotypical? I don't want to get all haughty and quote rules at you, but please remember that the idea of this forum is to engage in discussion. Your statement is very closed and is only likely to cause offence. Luckily for you, I'm too long in the tooth to be offended so easily. Also, the irony of you jumping to a silly conclusion by accusing me of doing the same makes me laugh  Anyway, this thread is supposed to be about incest. Let's save the drug issue for another topic. -------------------- The author of this post is entirely fictional and is intended for entertainment purposes only. The views of the author are not necessarily representative of the views of Matazone, Mata himself nor any of his assorted cronies, friends, allies, associates or hangers-on. Any resemblance to other posts, alive or dead, is purely coincidental and is not intentional. Except when that's the point of the post, in which case it is intentional and no coincidence is applied, inferred or otherwise described by another long legalese term which temporarily escapes me. No animals have been hurt in the production of this post, although I did kick the cat before I sat down at the computer. |
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Apr 24 2009, 08:47 AM
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Wait for the uprising Group: Established Members Posts: 3,177 Joined: 7-April 05 From: In a cave in Scotland Member No.: 1,735 Gender: Female |
Ban me, then. I'm fed up of your high and mighty I Have Children So I Know Things attitude that you come to every discussion and arguement with. Every member of Matazone I have had the pleasure of discussion with comes to it on an even level- apart from your good self.
As for your last comment QUOTE Anyway, this thread is supposed to be about incest. Let's save the drug issue for another topic. I don't want to get all haughty and quote rules at you, but please remember that the idea of this forum is to engage in discussion. That statement is very closed and is only likely to cause offence. Luckily for you, I'm too long in the tooth to be offended so easily and the irony of you doing the same makes me laugh. -------------------- We are unraveling our navels so that we may ingest the sun. DARIA IZ GOOD ON TOAST TOAST IZ GOOD ON DARIA |
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Apr 24 2009, 09:36 AM
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 Candbrush Threepwood Group: Established Members Posts: 5,391 Joined: 28-May 03 From: Derby Member No.: 345 Gender: Female |
I really kind of have to agree with Daria, Leo. You seem to think that the only reasons someone would have to support the legalisation of incest are 1) youth, and 2) lack of children. That may not be the case, but that's the impression your posts are giving. It is kind of frustrating -- and bear in mind that I'm on the same side of the argument as you. I still have problems with incest and/or hard drugs being legalised. I just think you're handling this debate rather poorly. Having kids doesn't make you a sage, and being older doesn't mean you can just dismiss the opinions of younger people as a product of their youth. It may well be that some of the pro-legalisation of incest folks will change their minds when they get older (and if they have children), but as none of us has a crystal ball it is rather condescending to do the Internet equivalent of patting them on the head and saying "You'll understand when you're older."
It's hard to convey tone with text, so it's quite probable that you didn't mean your posts the way Daria and I are reading them. I hope that none of what I said will offend you. I've "known" you online since before you had kids, and I respect you, but I just don't agree with the way you've handled yourself in this thread. -------------------- I love you in a way that is mystical and eternal and illegal in 20 states.
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Apr 24 2009, 11:36 AM
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Roger Rabbit, having hit the skids, is now busking for a living. Group: Moderators Posts: 8,645 Joined: 4-March 03 From: In front of the screen Member No.: 95 Gender: Male |
Hmm... I don't recall ever dismissing anyone's point of view outright, but perhaps what I wrote didn't come over as well as I'd wanted.
Anyway, I think everyone has probably sussed out now that I'm against the idea, so I won't burn any more energy or engender any more ill-will by carrying on. And I'm not going to ban you, Daria, because that would just be pathetic. -------------------- The author of this post is entirely fictional and is intended for entertainment purposes only. The views of the author are not necessarily representative of the views of Matazone, Mata himself nor any of his assorted cronies, friends, allies, associates or hangers-on. Any resemblance to other posts, alive or dead, is purely coincidental and is not intentional. Except when that's the point of the post, in which case it is intentional and no coincidence is applied, inferred or otherwise described by another long legalese term which temporarily escapes me. No animals have been hurt in the production of this post, although I did kick the cat before I sat down at the computer. |
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Apr 28 2009, 12:47 AM
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 Has been kidnapped by gerbils and forced to post on here repeatedly Group: Established Members Posts: 1,088 Joined: 18-September 03 From: London Member No.: 606 Gender: Female |
Yeah I'm gonna step out of the discussion as well. I think I misinterpreted what you were saying a bit back there Leo so sorry if what I said came across as rude/argumentative.
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Apr 28 2009, 11:22 AM
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Roger Rabbit, having hit the skids, is now busking for a living. Group: Moderators Posts: 8,645 Joined: 4-March 03 From: In front of the screen Member No.: 95 Gender: Male |
No apology necessary, Mat. I suspected your comments were intended to provoke some thought from my initial arguments (which hadn't come across all that well) and my responses were intended to be an explanation. Which didn't come over that well either. Sometimes I should just get off my soapbox!
It seems that some people feel my posts in this thread were a bit strong and not well worded. I appreciate that this was the case, and on re-reading it does come over a bit strong. However, this is me; when I get on the old soapbox, I do have a tendency to rant. I suspect this may have had an adverse affect on the thread and to those involved in it, and for that I apologise. However, there's one bit of this whole discussion which has been bothering me, and I'm having a spot of bother letting it lie: It started to get a bit personal, and yet being done in such a public manner. I'm not going to carry on the personal elements of my grievance here, as it's not the appropriate place for it. The parties in question will be receiving a PM from me shortly. Speaking as Leo the Moderator for a moment: This forum is for the discussion of issues and everyone's opinion is valid, regardless of their viewpoint. By all means disagree, but explain why, don't just dismiss them and don't resort to personal insults. If anyone does have a problem with someone else's behaviour, this ought to be taken offline. -------------------- The author of this post is entirely fictional and is intended for entertainment purposes only. The views of the author are not necessarily representative of the views of Matazone, Mata himself nor any of his assorted cronies, friends, allies, associates or hangers-on. Any resemblance to other posts, alive or dead, is purely coincidental and is not intentional. Except when that's the point of the post, in which case it is intentional and no coincidence is applied, inferred or otherwise described by another long legalese term which temporarily escapes me. No animals have been hurt in the production of this post, although I did kick the cat before I sat down at the computer. |
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May 5 2009, 08:33 PM
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 I could have written a short novel by this point Group: Established Members Posts: 1,579 Joined: 4-August 08 Member No.: 12,759 Gender: Secret |
QUOTE (jamieson @ May 5 2009, 03:58 PM) it is still bad in the Eye of everyone and to OUR GOD..! Which is why there was massive amounts of incest in the Bible, right? Also, which god? Allah, Yahweh, Muhammad, Zeus, Thor...? -------------------- Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust. You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements - the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution and for life - weren’t created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way for them to get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode. So, forget God. The stars died so that you could be here today. ~Lawrence Krauss
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May 6 2009, 05:55 AM
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 Lord of the Keys Group: Established Members Posts: 2,197 Joined: 1-October 04 From: Wonderful-smelling dwelling in French-Canada Member No.: 1,329 Gender: Female |
Ey, ey, Mohamed ain't no Lord.
/got nothin else to add. -------------------- can I kiss your dopamine? In a way I wonder if she's living in a magazine |
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May 6 2009, 07:27 AM
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I could have written a short novel by this point Group: Established Members Posts: 1,579 Joined: 4-August 08 Member No.: 12,759 Gender: Secret |
Whatever. All the same garbage..
-------------------- Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust. You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements - the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution and for life - weren’t created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way for them to get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode. So, forget God. The stars died so that you could be here today. ~Lawrence Krauss
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May 6 2009, 11:28 PM
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 Obsessive Group: Established Members Posts: 227 Joined: 29-March 06 From: UK Member No.: 2,292 Gender: Male |
Bit disrespectful innit?
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May 7 2009, 02:30 AM
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I could have written a short novel by this point Group: Established Members Posts: 1,579 Joined: 4-August 08 Member No.: 12,759 Gender: Secret |
Meh. I'm sick of theists and religions to be honest. Not the fault of this forum, so I shouldn't take it out here, but bleh.
-------------------- Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust. You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements - the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution and for life - weren’t created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way for them to get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode. So, forget God. The stars died so that you could be here today. ~Lawrence Krauss
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May 7 2009, 11:32 PM
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 M.I.A. Group: Established Members Posts: 275 Joined: 22-January 08 From: Condominium Member No.: 7,112 Gender: Male |
You live off telling others why a higher power isn't logical, and your sick of theists? I never thought you'd be able to form those words into a sentence.
-------------------- "I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals, and I loathe humanity, for its failure to live up to these possibilities." -Ayn Rand |
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May 7 2009, 11:35 PM
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I could have written a short novel by this point Group: Established Members Posts: 1,579 Joined: 4-August 08 Member No.: 12,759 Gender: Secret |
Haha, yeah. Maybe because I thought all my attempts would have some sort of an impact on someone, by now. Oh well. Debater exhaust mode.
-------------------- Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust. You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements - the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution and for life - weren’t created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way for them to get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode. So, forget God. The stars died so that you could be here today. ~Lawrence Krauss
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May 7 2009, 11:38 PM
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M.I.A. Group: Established Members Posts: 275 Joined: 22-January 08 From: Condominium Member No.: 7,112 Gender: Male |
Do I sense an indirect comment towards someone?
-------------------- "I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals, and I loathe humanity, for its failure to live up to these possibilities." -Ayn Rand |
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May 7 2009, 11:41 PM
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I could have written a short novel by this point Group: Established Members Posts: 1,579 Joined: 4-August 08 Member No.: 12,759 Gender: Secret |
No?
-------------------- Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust. You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements - the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution and for life - weren’t created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way for them to get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode. So, forget God. The stars died so that you could be here today. ~Lawrence Krauss
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May 9 2009, 07:42 AM
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 the token conservative Group: Established Members Posts: 702 Joined: 16-January 05 From: A castle in the sky. Member No.: 1,594 Gender: Female |
QUOTE (Yannick @ May 5 2009, 12:33 PM) QUOTE (jamieson @ May 5 2009, 03:58 PM) it is still bad in the Eye of everyone and to OUR GOD..! Which is why there was massive amounts of incest in the Bible, right? Also, which god? Allah, Yahweh, Muhammad, Zeus, Thor...? Are you taking cultural context and/or the need in ancient societies for a male heir to carry the name complicate our arguments into account here? The Bible speaks against incest, so I'm not quite sure where you're getting that one. Lot wasn't exactly held up as a paragon and the need for the wife whose-name-I-can't-remember to have a male heir for her dead husband was a result of a cultural tradition to provide for women who would otherwise be destitute and without children. If I didn't cover your particular example/s, feel free to bring it up. I'm not suggesting you need to follow the Bible as your frame of reference or to support moral stand points. Its just slowly started to drive me crazy when people quote examples, etc with little to no mention of the context that goes with said examples. Much like the problem with sound bytes, context -matters-. -------------------- Mr.Teapot is my e-daddy, Jaq is my e-sister and Vic is my e-husband! syuu is our e-daughter.
Pit Bulls & BSL Urban Legends Fight BSL We must always fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil that we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men. - The Boondock Saints Ange is the devil on my shoulder. |
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