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QUOTE (Yannick @ Feb 22 2009, 03:58 PM)  Ugh. Let's get them to protest in Iraq or something. Uh, haven't we done enough damage over there without inflicting Fred Phelps on them? Let's keep our loonies to ourselves, please! 
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Feb 22 2009, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE (candice @ Feb 22 2009, 08:31 AM) I've heard that some Biblical scholars think the "thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman blah blah" line is about homosexual rape, not consensual sex. It was all the rage back then to rape everyone, men included, when you pillaged a town. I heard quite an interesting view that "thou shalt not lie with man as you lie with woman" (or whatever the actual words are) is actually a rule against adultery. As in, if you're with a woman, you can't also be with a man. The main support for this comes from the fact that they put in "as you lie with woman", as that's not really necessary, and they didn't bother with the "thou shalt not lie with beasts" and similar. -------------------- QUOTE (Peter Griffin) Math, my dear boy, is nothing more than the lesbian sister of biology. |
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Feb 22 2009, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE (candice @ Feb 22 2009, 02:56 PM) QUOTE (Yannick @ Feb 22 2009, 03:58 PM) Ugh. Let's get them to protest in Iraq or something. Uh, haven't we done enough damage over there without inflicting Fred Phelps on them? Let's keep our loonies to ourselves, please! No, I meant so the Iraqis can do something about them. All's fair in war? -------------------- Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust. You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements - the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution and for life - weren’t created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way for them to get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode. So, forget God. The stars died so that you could be here today. ~Lawrence Krauss
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Feb 22 2009, 11:17 PM
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 M.I.A. Group: Established Members Posts: 275 Joined: 22-January 08 From: Condominium Member No.: 7,112 Gender: Male |
It's supposed to be all's fair in love and war. I'm sure their method of dealing will them will probably kill them.
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Feb 23 2009, 02:33 AM
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I could have written a short novel by this point Group: Established Members Posts: 1,579 Joined: 4-August 08 Member No.: 12,759 Gender: Secret |
Well yeah, but I can't imagine much love going on between them, so I left that part out.
And, that's exactly what I meant.
-------------------- Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust. You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements - the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution and for life - weren’t created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way for them to get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode. So, forget God. The stars died so that you could be here today. ~Lawrence Krauss
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Feb 24 2009, 10:51 AM
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 Roger Rabbit, having hit the skids, is now busking for a living. Group: Moderators Posts: 8,645 Joined: 4-March 03 From: In front of the screen Member No.: 95 Gender: Male |
As far as I can gather, most Iraqi people didn't want any sort of skirmish with anyone, they kind of got dumped with it. Sending them Fred Phelps may just turn them against the US and give the Talibananas more willing victims. Er, I mean supporters.
As Cand says, keep your nutters over there. The problem with following the bible to the letter is that it has a tendency to contradict itself. The biggest contradictions surround the big fella himself: The bible teaches that he is merciful and forgiving, but that doesn't really explain him purging the planet with a big old flood or anything that Ezekiel teaches about smiting wrongdoers with great vengeance and furious anger. And of course, the bit where God refuses to prove he exists because "proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing", but yet sends his son down to save us all, thus proving his existence. Yes, that and the Babel Fish And the Bible does teach of wrath against homosexuals. Sodom, anyone? -------------------- The author of this post is entirely fictional and is intended for entertainment purposes only. The views of the author are not necessarily representative of the views of Matazone, Mata himself nor any of his assorted cronies, friends, allies, associates or hangers-on. Any resemblance to other posts, alive or dead, is purely coincidental and is not intentional. Except when that's the point of the post, in which case it is intentional and no coincidence is applied, inferred or otherwise described by another long legalese term which temporarily escapes me. No animals have been hurt in the production of this post, although I did kick the cat before I sat down at the computer. |
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Feb 24 2009, 01:29 PM
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Well... If you're offering, Leo
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Feb 24 2009, 09:34 PM
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Feb 25 2009, 11:30 AM
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Roger Rabbit, having hit the skids, is now busking for a living. Group: Moderators Posts: 8,645 Joined: 4-March 03 From: In front of the screen Member No.: 95 Gender: Male |
QUOTE (Mata @ Feb 24 2009, 01:29 PM) Well... If you're offering, Leo  Nice try, Mata, but you know me, strictly hetero. -------------------- The author of this post is entirely fictional and is intended for entertainment purposes only. The views of the author are not necessarily representative of the views of Matazone, Mata himself nor any of his assorted cronies, friends, allies, associates or hangers-on. Any resemblance to other posts, alive or dead, is purely coincidental and is not intentional. Except when that's the point of the post, in which case it is intentional and no coincidence is applied, inferred or otherwise described by another long legalese term which temporarily escapes me. No animals have been hurt in the production of this post, although I did kick the cat before I sat down at the computer. |
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Feb 26 2009, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE (candice @ Feb 22 2009, 08:31 AM) I've heard that some Biblical scholars think the "thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman blah blah" line is about homosexual rape, not consensual sex. It was all the rage back then to rape everyone, men included, when you pillaged a town. There's another school of thought that 'man' was mistranslated from 'boy', in the same way that at some point 'forty days and forty nights' was probably a mistranslation of something closer to 'many days and many nights'. -------------------- He's a freak of nature, but we love him so.
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Feb 26 2009, 02:34 PM
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Roger Rabbit, having hit the skids, is now busking for a living. Group: Moderators Posts: 8,645 Joined: 4-March 03 From: In front of the screen Member No.: 95 Gender: Male |
Ah, yes. It's the same issue as that bit about it being "easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven." I heard something about the eye of the needle was mistranslated, it was supposed to be the eye of something else. Or perhaps nothing to do with an eye at all. Still, when you listen to Hebrew being spoken, it can be hard to tell if the speaker is saying something to you or just coughing something up, so it's hardly surprising that stuff gets lost in translation.
Which leads me to correct myself from earlier. Apparently God's wrath on the Sodomites wasn't about homosexual sex. The people of Sodom (and Gomorrah, let's not forget) were perceived by Him to be a depraved and Godless bunch in general, which is why He smote them all. Well, except for Lot and his two boys. He was saving Lot's missus as well, but she just had to look back, didn't she  Still, at least Lot was never stuck for seasoning
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Feb 27 2009, 02:06 PM
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The story of Sodom and Gomorrah goes that God sent Angels to talk some sense into them. They were so beautiful that they were instantly set upon and raped. The bible doesn't say whether they were male or female but being the male centric religious text that it is (or the readers anyway) it was percievd that the angels were male. It is unclear whether God attacked Sodom and Gomorrah for homosexual rape, rape of angels or just rape in general! Lot was saved because he tried to stop them (amongst other things!) At least that is the way I've always seen it!
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Feb 27 2009, 02:18 PM
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I plug directly into my computer Group: Established Members Posts: 3,640 Joined: 18-November 04 From: Manchester Member No.: 1,488 Gender: Male |
Well, the rape of the angels is the usual interpretation, but it is something that can be doubted.
Genesis 19:5 "And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them." Now, "know" in the Bible can mean sex, but it could also simply mean that people wanted to know about these angels, 'cos they hadn't seen any angels before. If some angels came down into your neighbour's house wouldn't you want to know about them too? Either way, the rest of Gen 19 makes it fairly clear that God sent the angels with the intention to destroy Sodom, anything that happened to them whilst they were there was not the reason. -------------------- QUOTE (Peter Griffin) Math, my dear boy, is nothing more than the lesbian sister of biology. |
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Mar 6 2009, 06:26 PM
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 Dirty Laundry Group: Established Members Posts: 3,191 Joined: 7-January 05 From: By London Member No.: 1,573 Gender: Female |
I don't think it's appropriate to make judgements of the Bible based on the English wording because it's a translation.
-------------------- Emma <3 James <3
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Mar 6 2009, 07:00 PM
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 Duck Hunter S Thompson Group: Admin Posts: 3,417 Joined: 28-February 03 From: Lovely, rainy, Seattle Member No.: 71 Gender: Male |
I already have an action plan should the Westboro muppets turn up within driving distance of me. Here it is:
1: Round up a carload or two of friends (no more). 2: Make our own signs (see below) 3: Go stand right next to the Westboro lot with our own signs. Passerbys will assume that we're all one group. It's beautiful, because it exercises the exact same freedom-of-expression laws that allow them to do their schtick. 4: A couple of your friends film the whole thing from a slight distance. Youtube here we come! Here's some of the signs I've come up with so far: WE ARE IDIOTS (this is why you need some friends, that way, you can claim that the 'we' is referring to you and your friends). GOD HATES FROGS GOD HATES FRAGS (with a picture of the Master Chief with a big red X through him) WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME? YOU LOOK NICE TODAY. HAVE YOU LOST WEIGHT? IGNORE US MOVE ALONG - NOTHING TO SEE HERE WE MADE THESE SIGNS OURSELVES -------------------- Nearly two years in - about time for a new AV
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Mar 7 2009, 03:40 AM
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QUOTE (I_am_the_best @ Mar 6 2009, 01:26 PM) I don't think it's appropriate to make judgments of the Bible based on the English wording because it's a translation. I agree, from what I know, the bible is based off the Dead Sea Scrolls? Yeah and..uh its written in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic before 100 C.E. The parchment or whatever is torn and the ink's probably eroded off in a lot of places, most of it is probably guess. -------------------- "I worship individuals for their highest possibilities as individuals, and I loathe humanity, for its failure to live up to these possibilities." -Ayn Rand |
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Mar 7 2009, 11:53 AM
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Candbrush Threepwood Group: Established Members Posts: 5,391 Joined: 28-May 03 From: Derby Member No.: 345 Gender: Female |
QUOTE (Jonman @ Mar 6 2009, 07:00 PM) Make our own signs I've seen a few photos of people who have done things like that, and I think this is my favorite one:  
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Mar 15 2009, 02:57 PM
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 Took this grammar! Group: Established Members Posts: 3,246 Joined: 23-March 03 From: Saskatoon Member No.: 165 Gender: Female |
QUOTE (leopold @ Feb 26 2009, 08:34 AM) Ah, yes. It's the same issue as that bit about it being "easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven." I heard something about the eye of the needle was mistranslated, it was supposed to be the eye of something else. Or perhaps nothing to do with an eye at all. Still, when you listen to Hebrew being spoken, it can be hard to tell if the speaker is saying something to you or just coughing something up, so it's hardly surprising that stuff gets lost in translation. I've heard that too, but that the mistranslated word was 'camel' Apparently it should read "easier for a 'rope to pass through the eye of a needle ..." Apparently rope and camel sound or are spelled very similarly in Hebrew. It makes for a less colourful, but more reasonable proverb. woo, tangent. I saw this news story online a few weeks ago about another counterprotest. The counterprotesters showed up with plain white flags and banners and they simply stood in front of the WB people, blocking their signs. -------------------- Everytime the blue screen went out, Stan the weatherman suffered an existential crisis.
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Mar 15 2009, 06:02 PM
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 Flaps and spins on the spot Group: Established Members Posts: 2,651 Joined: 17-June 03 From: At the end of the road to nowhere.....literally! Member No.: 390 Gender: Female |
I had some Jehovah Witnesses or Christians come to my door at 10am the other morning. I thought it was the postman (MUST get a spy hole) and opened the door in my PJs and dressing gown to be greeted with "Good Morning. We're going round the neighbourhood asking if 'God' exists?" If I'd been more with it I'd have said "No" and shut the door in their faces but I'm not rude so would probably have said "Why are you asking me, surely you know the answer to that already?!".....and then shut the door in their faces
I actually played the 'I've only just got up so f off' card and that seemed to work. I hadn't only just got up, I work from home in my PJs sometimes but that's not the point....they were annoying me and asking what I consider to be a stupid question about a topic I had no time to get into. Plus if they'd walked into my house, seen my bessom, my spellbooks and candles they'd probably have tried to perform an exorcism there and then! I don't mind what religion and/or spiritual path you follow but DON'T expect me to be converted or even have time to listen to it if I don't want to. Ordinarily I might listen/debate but only if I'm asked nicely. They could have said "Do you mind if we talk to you about God?" and then I could have said "Sorry no, I'm busy but thanks for not shoving it down my throat"
-------------------- Hope confidentally, do valiantly, wait patiently!
Rather light a candle than complain about the dark! Enjoy what you have and hope for what you lack Thoughts become things, choose the good ones[/center] [center]Carpe diem |
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Mar 15 2009, 06:25 PM
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Dirty Laundry Group: Established Members Posts: 3,191 Joined: 7-January 05 From: By London Member No.: 1,573 Gender: Female |
QUOTE (Jaq @ Mar 15 2009, 02:57 PM) QUOTE (leopold @ Feb 26 2009, 08:34 AM) Ah, yes. It's the same issue as that bit about it being "easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven." I heard something about the eye of the needle was mistranslated, it was supposed to be the eye of something else. Or perhaps nothing to do with an eye at all. Still, when you listen to Hebrew being spoken, it can be hard to tell if the speaker is saying something to you or just coughing something up, so it's hardly surprising that stuff gets lost in translation. I've heard that too, but that the mistranslated word was 'camel' Apparently it should read "easier for a 'rope to pass through the eye of a needle ..." Apparently rope and camel sound or are spelled very similarly in Hebrew. It makes for a less colourful, but more reasonable proverb. That's not very true. Apart from both ending with the same letter... Gamal... Khevel... -------------------- Emma <3 James <3
"Music is a moral law. It gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination, a charm to sadness, gaiety and life to everything. It is the essence of order, and leads to all that is good, just and beautiful, of which it is the invisible, but nevertheless dazzling, passionate, and eternal form." - Plato |
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Mar 25 2009, 11:44 AM
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Roger Rabbit, having hit the skids, is now busking for a living. Group: Moderators Posts: 8,645 Joined: 4-March 03 From: In front of the screen Member No.: 95 Gender: Male |
Fair enough. But let's assume that this book was translated some time ago, chances are it's been through several consecutive translations and that at least once, something's been mistranslated slightly. It's like Chinese whispers, or plugging a phrase through Babelfish several times.
Or, failing that, it was someone whose modern-day equivalent is the Far Eastern company whose translation skills are sadly lacking in any finesse. How many times have we seen instructions that say stuff like "For the augmentation of the volume, to be turning the knob of volume in the correct clock direction", or how about "Insertion of the spindle A into the block G with great magnitude of force can bring about the bad failure of the part". Or how about the classic, "All your base are belong to us." The whole concept of translation is fraught with difficulties, when you think about it. Let's say you have someone with no grasp of English, you hold up a red ball and say "Ball". How do they know what that means? They could take it as being the colour, the shape, the material, or even an invitation to play. I guess it only makes matters worse when you use a phonetic-based language where the slightest difference in the sound alters it's meaning. As for "rope" and "camel", with a little artistic licence I can pronounce them in a similar way (on the basis I've no idea how they actually sound!!) so perhaps that's got something to do with it as well. Pix, I know what you mean about the Jehova's Witnesses as well. Some phrases I'd really like to try out are: "Actually, I'm still feeling weak after my blood transfusion, can we do this another time?" "You're lucky to catch me in, I was just off to buy birthday presents." "Sorry, I can't stop, I'm organising a works do" "Blimey, you look like that woman off of 'Bewitched'" Actually, there's hundreds of options for insults - look at this list of things they can't do! -------------------- The author of this post is entirely fictional and is intended for entertainment purposes only. The views of the author are not necessarily representative of the views of Matazone, Mata himself nor any of his assorted cronies, friends, allies, associates or hangers-on. Any resemblance to other posts, alive or dead, is purely coincidental and is not intentional. Except when that's the point of the post, in which case it is intentional and no coincidence is applied, inferred or otherwise described by another long legalese term which temporarily escapes me. No animals have been hurt in the production of this post, although I did kick the cat before I sat down at the computer. |
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Mar 25 2009, 06:55 PM
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Candbrush Threepwood Group: Established Members Posts: 5,391 Joined: 28-May 03 From: Derby Member No.: 345 Gender: Female |
I don't particularly think that the doorknocking Jehova's Witnesses and Mormons are comparable to Fred Phelps and Co. Evangelists can be pushy and annoying, sure, but that really pales in comparison to the hatred that is spewed by the Westboro Baptist Church.
Most of the evangelists who come around to preach at me leave politely when I say "No, thank you, I'm not interested." I can't see the WBC being dissuaded by anything as simple as that! -------------------- I love you in a way that is mystical and eternal and illegal in 20 states.
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Mar 28 2009, 12:22 PM
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Flaps and spins on the spot Group: Established Members Posts: 2,651 Joined: 17-June 03 From: At the end of the road to nowhere.....literally! Member No.: 390 Gender: Female |
QUOTE (candice @ Mar 25 2009, 06:55 PM) I don't particularly think that the doorknocking Jehova's Witnesses and Mormons are comparable to Fred Phelps and Co. Evangelists can be pushy and annoying, sure, but that really pales in comparison to the hatred that is spewed by the Westboro Baptist Church. Most of the evangelists who come around to preach at me leave politely when I say "No, thank you, I'm not interested." I can't see the WBC being dissuaded by anything as simple as that! I certainly wasn't saying they were. My point was it annoys me when people force their religious opinions on me however it is done. -------------------- Hope confidentally, do valiantly, wait patiently!
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'Trouble Down Pit' now online! Group: Admin Posts: 10,141 Joined: 22-February 03 From: Southern UK Member No.: 1 Gender: Male |
The last time I had Jehovah's witnesses around, I told them that I was Taoist and they were so delighted that they had met someone who actually had formed an opinion on religion that they didn't really mind that I didn't agree with anything that they said.
That list of things they can't do is great: they can't 'Promote anything Superstitious'. I'm sure that is suggested without a hint of irony, which just makes it all the funnier. -------------------- Trouble Down Pit: Still updated every Monday and Friday
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QUOTE (I_am_the_best @ Mar 6 2009, 06:26 PM) I don't think it's appropriate to make judgements of the Bible based on the English wording because it's a translation. I'm not sure about this. It can't be any more appropriate to follow the teachings of the Bible having only read the translation, which a lot of people are brought up to do, which then has so massive an effect on everyone that you kind of have to make judgements. I can accept that I'm making judgements on something that's a bit removed from what it originally was, but I feel that if the Bible's going to go around propagating itself, I get to make judgements... One of my judgements is that they should have been more precise about what they meant by everything. -------------------- my adopter's better than yours!
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