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Ashbless
post Nov 4 2004, 01:03 PM
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On being here about a year I realized that we've a variety of people with varied backgrounds who post here. There are some really bright folks around. I've even learned a few things or had a think about my prejudices anyway.
This thread is to ask Matazone in general about something you want to know.

If you ask a specific person could you include their handle?
Eg. Ashbless, what's with the root vegetable thing?
A specific question to a forumite could be answered fairly with haven't the foggiest, won't say as it's personal, or with the answer you asked for.
Eg. Carrots in this case stand for all the myriad of frustrations that I have with my current job and act as a goad towards finishing my course of study and getting another.
If you ask the forumites as a whole then anybody can answer. Could those people who respond include the original question so we know what your talking about?
Eg. Ashbless what's with the carrots? My opinion on this question is that Ash was obviously raised by wolves.

Please don't answer as in the example. laugh.gif Maybe somebody really doesn't know how daft their question is.


My Question: Why Satanism? I've seen a couple people in the forum post that they are Satanists and I'm puzzled by their choice of Diety. Lucifer, once brightest angel in God's heaven, has no reason to love humanity. I'm under the impression that people who worship him buy themselves a one-way ticket to Hell to be laughed at by the demons. Please Matazone enlighten me.


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post Nov 4 2004, 01:14 PM
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I did a little reading on Satanism, and in some schools of thought (it seems to vary), not so much about Satan, but more about individuals - that they are God if they choose to be. It's kind of humanitarianism, that people have their own power, make their own choices. A lot of it seemed about enjoying life, even the things that might be a little naughty (sex, drugs, meat on Fridays). Satan is the symbol for that, but it's not really the Christian version of Satan.

To be honest, I don't know a great deal about it and I'm quite prepared to be completely wrong. It's just something I read on a website that seemed interesting, because it's something I never really understood. I could, quite frankly, be completely wrong. Besides - there were other Satanist websites that were all about the goat killing and vampirism and stuff. I've no idea which one is the offical line, or if people are doing it a certain way because that's "cool".

Anyone else want to enlighten us some more?


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post Nov 4 2004, 01:57 PM
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I think I can answer this, at least in relation to Anton Szandor LaVey's Satanic Church - I've read The Satanic Bible.

Satanism is nontheistic - it denies the actual existence of the Christian God, of Satan/Lucifer, of Vishnu, of Pan, all of them. Satan is used as an allegory for the Opposition - the opposition, in their case, to what LaVey perceived as Christian values.

LaVey hated Christian ethics, believing them to be highly counterproductive and restrictive for humanity. His claim was that the Seven Deadly Sins of Christianity - pride, lust, envy, greed, gluttony, anger and sloth - were all at least to a moderate extent virtues, since they each led to the gratification of desire (the gratification of desire is a very important theme in Satanism).

The Nine Satanic Statements are:

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!

2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!

5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!

6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!

8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

(Note that "Satan represents" instead of "Satan is". LaVey elaborated in the Satanic Bible on the idea of "psychic vampires", people who exploit the generosity of others, taking without giving in return.)

The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth are:

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9. Do not harm little children.

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

The Nine Satanic Sins are:

1. Stupidity

2. Pretentiousness

3. Solipsism

4. Self-deceit

5. Herd Conformity

6. Lack of Perspective

7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies

8. Counterproductive Pride

9. Lack of Aesthetics

More information can be found on the Church's official website.


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post Nov 4 2004, 02:45 PM
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You know - maybe this whole Satanism thing isn't too bad. I mean, for one, they have a 'mating signal'. Genius! Just wander about until some foxy chick gives you the special signal and you're in! And the Sins are quite good too. Much better than that 'sloth and gluttony' malarky.


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post Nov 4 2004, 04:29 PM
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I have to admit... it does sound kinda nice... Maybe I'm a closet satanist and I didn't even know.


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post Nov 4 2004, 06:32 PM
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So I'm going to Satanist's hell for sin number two I suspect... Does that mean I'm actually going to heaven?

(On a side note, I'm listening to an audio book of Dante's Inferno at the moment. It's a lot more interesting than I thought it was going to be!... And now I've typed that, I realise that's probably me being pretentious again!)


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post Nov 4 2004, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE
(On a side note, I'm listening to an audio book of Dante's Inferno at the moment. It's a lot more interesting than I thought it was going to be!... And now I've typed that, I realise that's probably me being pretentious again!)


Do I get extra pretentious points for actually reading it?

... And the notes...?

... Without any educational obligation to do so...?


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post Nov 4 2004, 06:40 PM
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For an early source on what is today considered Satanic thought and codified in the above Principles - and for those English buffs out there- you can try reading William Blake, the great English Romantic poet. Specifically, read the "Marriage of Heaven and Hell." You can read it online here: William Blake Complete Works Online

And for those of you who have read him, have you seen the accompanying illustrations and facsimilies of his original books? Definitely worth checking out. Don't have a link for it though.
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post Nov 4 2004, 06:41 PM
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Yes, I think that you probably do. I guess you're coming to heaven with me too. That'll teach you.

Okay, new question:

After I've posted I often read through what I've written and then go back and edit words or phrases to try and make sure that I've said things as precisely as I can. Do other people often use the 'edit' function of the fourms?


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post Nov 4 2004, 06:43 PM
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Heh. There's a fine line between Satanism and humanism, thank you. I myself am an extreme humanist, often finding myself saying that God is within people instead of above. However, that does not mean that I deny the Christian God or Jesus or the Holy Spirit, rather I embrace them, taking much solace in knowing that my vices are wrong, but that I can be forgiven if not by man than by someone one up on the whole deal. Christianity isn't a hindrance to society (though I wouldn't go so far as to say that about the Roman Catholic Church, mind you) but it's given billions solace and a moral code to keep the world from going to Hell.

I do find your post interesting, though, Commie. Many of those have been my philosophy for years, but I do like to thinmk that there's a place better than this.


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post Nov 4 2004, 06:44 PM
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And to Mata, I use the 'Edit' function frequently, but damned if I'll admit that I screwed up on a post. The "add edited by..." box ALWAYS remains unchecked.

(Okay, this is just funny, now.)

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post Nov 4 2004, 06:47 PM
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After I've posted I often read through what I've written and then go back and edit words or phrases to try and make sure that I've said things as precisely as I can. Do other people often use the 'edit' function of the fourms?


Only when my spastic gene kicks in and I've realised what I said made absolutely no sense.

So, yeah. I use it all the time.


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post Nov 4 2004, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE (Mata @ Nov 4 2004, 06:41 PM)
After I've posted I often read through what I've written and then go back and edit words or phrases to try and make sure that I've said things as precisely as I can. Do other people often use the 'edit' function of the fourms?
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Yep, all the time. Especially this month where I have grown a habit of missing out the last letters of each sentence blink.gif , but usually because I tend to start posting with just a vague idea then realise after hitting the post button that it could be fleshed about a little more or that there are some parts of it that are irrelevant (usually incorrect too sad.gif ) and the post would be better without them.

Back to Ashbless' question, for some reason satanists seem to be a popular topic in the last few weeks. On the mailing list my friends setup when we left school someone apparently ended up sitting next to 'that guy in the royal navy who is allowed to worship the devil' on a bus and sparked off a whole debate on there too.

*cue lots of copy and paste from theforums to there*


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post Nov 4 2004, 07:47 PM
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I edit myself all the time. It's probably why I hardly ever post - too busy editing the last one.. blink.gif


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post Nov 4 2004, 07:48 PM
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I have another question but you can feel free to ignore it and keep answering Mata's:

Do any of you know anything about the NHS Confidentiality Code? I have to write 1000 words on it and I've only been given 2 lines of information on it unsure.gif


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post Nov 4 2004, 09:00 PM
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I preview all my posts and then go back and read them again once they're posted so I can edit them if need be. And still I miss stupid mistakes. I need to learn to turn of that annoying autoedit area of the brain that glosses over spelling errors.

Ooh, Artemisia, thanks for the Blake link. I think Blake's stuff is brilliant, but it's hard to find anything besides the Songs.


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post Nov 4 2004, 09:27 PM
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i edit my posts all the time, sometimes i'm like...'Wow...what the crap was i trying to say?' and sometimes, it's just for typos...


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post Nov 4 2004, 10:33 PM
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Do any of you know anything about the NHS Confidentiality Code? I have to write 1000 words on it and I've only been given 2 lines of information on it 


My opinion is that it's something like the Canada freedom of information act and the confidentiality act. I would suggest looking for it on a boring government site set up for the public. I'm in Canada though and so don't know England's laws.

Anybody who can aim Snoo in the right direction?


Mata - I use the edit function also. Usually to fix typos and glaring grammatical errors.

Everybody - Thanks for the answer. Satanism as a choice makes a bit more sense now. I'll stay lapsed Catholic but good to expand my knowledge base of other religions.


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post Nov 4 2004, 11:20 PM
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Mata: I edit most often when there's something I need to add to that post, which is not enough to warrant posting a second time. I also edit when I realise, on re-reading, that I got something wrong, and nobody has replied yet (if somebody has replied, then I usually make a new post responding to them and correcting myself).


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I only use post editing when I spot typos. Or naughty words in naughty people's posts
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post Nov 5 2004, 08:13 AM
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Please, Jonman, put your mod rod away. We don't know where it's been.

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Heh...and is ironically protesting innocence...youth of today *tuts*

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FU, where's your av from? I love it muchly, always wondered.


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post Nov 5 2004, 04:18 PM
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Sure, I'm not FU, but the av is from the video to 'Girls Not Grey' by AFI. Great video and awesome band biggrin.gif.


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