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post Mar 11 2005, 12:49 AM
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For my Introduction to the Urban Environment class, I need to do a project on two countries and their populations. I picked the United Kingdom and the Netherlands. I was able to find the population data I need for the past 20 years, but I'm having a difficult time finding income.
We need to get the recent income of the countries, for men and women so we can compare. Might anyone know this off the top of their heads, or know a place where I can get it?

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post Mar 11 2005, 01:37 AM
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Erm, this is the census part of the Natinal Statistics site for the UK: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/default.asp, which I think should be the most useful to you.


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post Mar 11 2005, 02:10 AM
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I've had a look through the census site and I can't find anything much in relation to current income, only things from four or five years ago, and income has risen a lot since then.

I was looking for the same info myself a last week, but found it surprisingly hard to locate. I did find one of the unions stating that the average yearly income in the UK is around 26k, but nothing more ueful than that.


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post Mar 11 2005, 02:40 AM
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I didnt actually look throughly. I just thought it would have it, what with it being called the National Statistics web site :

Erm, it might be worth contacting the Department for Work and Pensions then? Or the Economic and Social Research Council.

I came across this site, but I'm not about to dl the pdf's, so I dunno what data can be found in them: Equal Opportunities Commission.


On second thoughts, I think the National Statistics site'll be the best, coz that's where I found this.

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post Mar 11 2005, 09:19 AM
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All you need to know about Britain's population (from an American perspective) is that we start drinking alcohol at a young age and continue in great measures throughout our lives. England is around the size of Oregon, but has 17 times the population of Oregon. The national religion is football (soccer to you guys). Other national past-times include getting drunk, having fights (whilst drunk, or about footbal, or preferably both), watching horrendously terrible TV soap operas, and discussing drinking, fighting, football and soap operas.

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post Mar 11 2005, 01:31 PM
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"British money is in pounds, shillings, and pence. (This is also explained more fully later on.) The British are used to this system and they like it, and all your arguments that the American decimal system is better won't convince them. They won't be pleased to hear you call it 'funny money', either. They sweat hard to get it (wages are much lower in Britain than America) and they won't think you smart or funny for mocking it."

"Don't try to tell the British that America won the last war or make wisecracks about the war debts or about British defeats in this war."

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EDIT: According to that chart Frog found, I'm supposed to be earning 636.20 per week!


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post Mar 12 2005, 05:24 AM
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QUOTE (Jonman @ Mar 11 2005, 04:19 AM)
All you need to know about Britain's population (from an American perspective) is that we start ... watching horrendously terrible TV soap operas...
*removes tongue from cheek*
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I've watched British soaps (On Public TV and BBCA), and I've watched American soaps... Beleive me, you brits don't know from terrible...


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QUOTE (Mata @ Mar 11 2005, 01:31 PM)
EDIT: According to that chart Frog found, I'm supposed to be earning 636.20 per week!
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I thought I was doing alright, but now it seems I'm living in poverty.


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post Mar 14 2005, 12:19 AM
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Well, the union thing I saw said that the national average is supposed to be 26k per year. Looking at those charts I was at first amazed by the difference between men's and women's wages, but then I had a thought.

If it's taken that the top earners in the country are mainly male (which is still true at the moment), what happens to the male average wage when you remove the top 2% of earners? That's probably all that you need to take out, because even one person earning 8million per year is going to distort things a fair bit. When I think about all the people I know, they all work in offices and shops where there is no wage difference on the basis of gender and there is a relatively equal split of male and female management. Among my friends there is a pretty even range of wages for the men and the women spread equally between them. I think that if you removed the very very big earners from the equation that it would probably show a far more accurate average.

There are strict averages, and then there are accurate ones. If 99 people make 16k per year and one person takes home 300k, what figure is going to be the most accurate average for the population? For the sake of fairness the same should be applied to the top 2% earning women too, but given the lower number of women in the 1million+ jobs I suspect that this wouldn't change their figure so dramatically.


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post Mar 14 2005, 01:24 AM
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I just finished my project and it's due tomorrow.... it came out pretty nice!

Thank you so much for your help! laugh.gif


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post Mar 14 2005, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE (Mata @ Mar 14 2005, 12:19 AM)
Well, the union thing I saw said that the national average is supposed to be 26k per year. Looking at those charts I was at first amazed by the difference between men's and women's wages, but then I had a thought.

If it's taken that the top earners in the country are mainly male (which is still true at the moment), what happens to the male average wage when you remove the top 2% of earners? That's probably all that you need to take out, because even one person earning 8million per year is going to distort things a fair bit. When I think about all the people I know, they all work in offices and shops where there is no wage difference on the basis of gender and there is a relatively equal split of male and female management. Among my friends there is a pretty even range of wages for the men and the women spread equally between them. I think that if you removed the very very big earners from the equation that it would probably show a far more accurate average.

There are strict averages, and then there are accurate ones. If 99 people make 16k per year and one person takes home 300k, what figure is going to be the most accurate average for the population? For the sake of fairness the same should be applied to the top 2% earning women too, but given the lower number of women in the 1million+ jobs I suspect that this wouldn't change their figure so dramatically.
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There's a lot of hoo-haa about the pay gap between the genders at the mo. Now, I have to admit being skeptical about a large proportion of it.

There's definitely room for complaint is when a woman gets paid less for doing the same job as a man. That is unacceptable. But in most corporate environments, for the bog-standard worker folk, that's simply not possible. The pay grading structure is pretty rigidly defined.

Then there's the issue of women being overlooked for promotion, thus limiting them to lower pay grades. Again, unacceptable. I'd like to know how widespread a phenomenom this is.

However, what most of the statistics seem to be based on is average wages. Which is a ridiculously skewed statistic.

Given that the majority of childcare at home is undertaken by women (rightly or wrongly - I'm not commenting on the morality of it), then that drops the average wage for a woman hugely. Then there's the impact on a woman's career that taking 5-10 years out to raise a few kids to school age. That's going to result in a lower wage (once she returns to work) compared to a man or woman who's spent that time gaining (work-related) skills and climbing the wage ladder. And even then, a significant proportion of mothers returning to work are working part-time to provide more time for family duties. Which is going to skew the average even further.

Then there's the issue of having such a small amount of women in top earning jobs. Part of the reason can be put down to discrimination (not going to speculate on how much), but part must surely go down to so many women being off the career ladder for familial reasons again.

It seems like whenever you read a report about it, these differences are overlooked.


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