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Calantyr
post Apr 23 2005, 04:09 PM
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This just came on the radio:

"The BNP have just launched their manifesto. It includes withdrawing from the EU, aboloshing of council tax, and allowing everyone who has done national service the right to own an assault weapon."

Thats correct. Violent rascist rightwing nutters would be able to run around with rifles. While everyone else is banned. Can anyone else see potential problems with this?

The only benefit to this is it might scare off a few fringe voters who may have gone to them.

And I don't know which forum this is suppossed to be in... maybe Issues?


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post Apr 23 2005, 04:51 PM
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Dunno, seem like more of a daft subject to me tongue.gif

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post Apr 23 2005, 09:53 PM
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QUOTE (Calantyr @ Apr 23 2005, 04:09 PM)
This just came on the radio:

"The BNP have just launched their manifesto. It includes withdrawing from the EU, aboloshing of council tax, and allowing everyone who has done national service the right to own an assault weapon."

Thats correct. Violent rascist rightwing nutters would be able to run around with rifles. While everyone else is banned. Can anyone else see potential problems with this?

The only benefit to this is it might scare off a few fringe voters who may have gone to them.

And I don't know which forum this is suppossed to be in... maybe Issues?
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That was ordering them to carry rifles, based on the Swiss (though all Swiss men are enlisted in the Reserve Forces and undertake 2 weeks military exercise per year)


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post Apr 23 2005, 10:28 PM
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Doh! I was hoping that Nick Griffin had really shot himself in the foot, because then I would laugh heartily, and possibly visit him in hospital and prod his foot with hot pokers. But alas, my hopes were dashed. sad.gif


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post Apr 24 2005, 08:10 AM
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Isn't everyone who has done National Service in their sixties and seventies?
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post Apr 24 2005, 04:30 PM
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For now. They want to re-introduce conscription.


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post Apr 24 2005, 05:53 PM
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How do people feel about National Service?


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post Apr 24 2005, 06:00 PM
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QUOTE (funked)out_frog @ Apr 24 2005, 06:53 PM)
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I don't see the point of it, 2 years isn't enough time to train recruits and have them do something useful, and the army don't need more recruits then they get already.


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post Apr 24 2005, 06:59 PM
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Moving to Issues.
Apparently the BBC aired a BNP party Political broadcast on thursday night. I'm shocked by that.


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post Apr 24 2005, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE (saucy_tara @ Apr 24 2005, 07:59 PM)
Apparently the BBC aired a BNP party Political broadcast on thursday night. I'm shocked by that.
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Yeah, I saw it. Nick Griffin sang a song he wrote. Very funny biggrin.gif The BBC's stance was that, since the BNP were fielding candidates in so many seats, they had a right to have their broadcast aired, and it wasn't the BBC's job to interfere in politics.


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Im glad they got the opportunity to voice their views. Free speech and all that. I'm sorry I missed it actually.

With any luck it just made people realise how messed up they are.


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post Apr 26 2005, 12:05 AM
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Never underestimate Nick Griffin. He's a very convincing chap if you're not listening to the words. Given that I suspect most people don't actually listen then I find him very scary indeed. Sometimes even when you do listen you have to pay attention to see the 'this is where I'm getting support from Neo-Nazis' lines. *shudder*

I thought he was off being prosecuted for incitement to racial hatred at the moment?


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post Apr 26 2005, 08:49 AM
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Isn't he always?

Text of the manifesto

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We support a return to traditional standards of civility and politeness in British life.  Standards of politeness must be taught in school, demanded of government employees in their interactions with the public and exemplified on the BBC. Soap operas, for instance, should seek to portray slightly ‘higher' than real-life behaviour as the norm, rather than setting out to show ordinary people – in particular the white working class - in the most negative and unattractive light possible.


You heard it - under the BNP, soap operas would be polite!


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post Apr 26 2005, 01:54 PM
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This is the problem with them, they say some things that sound quite reasonable, such as wishing to create a more civilised society, and then they directly relate that to implications that the current state of society is partially due to comparatively positive representations of non-causasian characters on television. It translates as 'Get those darkies off our TV and our society will be better for it!' but is couched in terms that at first don't sound too unreasonable. Grr!


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post Apr 26 2005, 03:43 PM
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I'm an American, so I don't follow British politics, but I went to their website, and I was amazed that people could actually believe the ideas that they put forth:

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‘Racism', in other words, is not a consequence of ‘false consciousness', economics, imperialism or the work of evil agitators, it is part of human nature.


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the introduction of a ‘Tony Martin' law permitting householders to use any force they deem necessary to deal with a burglar in their own homes.


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A BNP government would accept no further immigration from any of the parts of the world which present the prospect of an almost limitless flow of immigration: Africa, Asia, China, Eastern and South Eastern Europe, the Middle East and South America would all be placed on an immediate ‘stop' list.


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post Apr 26 2005, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE (pgrmdave @ Apr 26 2005, 04:43 PM)
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I'm amazed that people don't realise that this law is already in place. You can kill a burglar in your own home and 9 times out of 10 you will not be prosecuted or even required to make a statement same day.


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post Apr 26 2005, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE (CheeseMoose @ Apr 26 2005, 04:50 PM)
I'm amazed that people don't realise that this law is already in place. You can kill a burglar in your own home and 9 times out of 10 you will not be prosecuted or even required to make a statement same day.
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The law states that "reasonable force" is acceptable. If a burglar breaks in, I confront him, we fight and I end up stabbing him with a kitchen knife, causing his death, that would (almost certainly) qualify as reasonable. If an unarmed juvenile burglar came into my house and I sneaked up behind him and hacked him to pieces with a machete, that would be unreasonable force.

The Tories, if you recall, wanted the law changed so that anything but "grossly disproportionate" force was allowed, a looser version of the above law. The BNP, clearly, go one further, essentially putting burglars beyond the protection of the law and making them fair game.


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QUOTE (Mata @ Apr 26 2005, 02:54 PM)
This is the problem with them, they say some things that sound quite reasonable, such as wishing to create a more civilised society, and then they directly relate that to implications that the current state of society is partially due to comparatively positive representations of non-causasian characters on television.
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I can't remember who, but somebody said that the litmus test for whether political speech is meaningful is to imagine the exact opposite had been said. If nobody could agree with a speech's opposite, the speech is meaningless. This is the case with everything "reasonable" the BNP say. Nobody wants an uncivilised society.


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QUOTE (saucy_tara @ Apr 24 2005, 07:59 PM)
Moving to Issues.
Apparently the BBC aired a BNP party Political broadcast on thursday night. I'm shocked by that.
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Presumeably the thinking is that by airing them they show how stupid these policies are. Also I think it's good that they show them because if the BBC made a point of not airing (sp?) their broad casts they might gain a cool factor, "Oh the BBC/establishment tried to ban us etc"
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The BBC is right to show the broadcasts of legitimate political parties. Unfortunately, the BNP has somehow managed to get themselves qualified as being such an organisation. The problem here is not with the BBC but the laws of the nation that allow racism (and several other unsavory social maladjustments) to be at the heart of any party that is given legitimisation by the establishment.


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post Apr 27 2005, 04:59 PM
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The problem here is ... the laws of the nation that allow racism (and several other unsavory social maladjustments) to be at the heart of any party


Are you suggesting that we ban the BNP for having bigoted opinions? Do you suggest that some parties ought not to be allowed the same level of public exposure due to their policies or philosophy? Where do you propose that the line be drawn between parties that are acceptable and free to stand for office. and those that are not?
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