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Jaq
post May 7 2005, 01:00 AM
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A Southern Baptist church in East Waynesville, North Carolina has expelled all of its Democrats

Well, actually 9 of them have been expelled and another additional 40 left as protest.

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She (posters mother) said WLOS tv just broke in to report that the East Waynesville Baptist church has officially excommunicated all its democratic members.

She said that before the election, the preacher told the congregation from the pulpit that if they didn't vote for * they had to come to the altar to confess their sins and repent. they could'nt be members. (My Mom doesn't attend that church--she's United Methodist, but I know of lots who do attend).

From Mom's email: "One of the local women who got excommunicated said on TV that it was like a cult. Another man who got excommunicated said that the rest of the congregation stood up and applauded as the Democrats were told to leave."


This seems to signal to me another step towards not just the gradual blurring of the boundary between church and state, but a full blown theocracy.

Ten Commandments in public places, debating homosexual marriage in the context of religion (when it's a secular government policy and wouldn't have any impact on churches as they wouldn't be required to perform homosexual marriage ceremonies), prayer in schools... the list goes on..


What think you? The States heading towards a theocracy, or am I just blowing things out of proportion? Would a theocracy be such a bad thing? Why? Why not? Please submit your essays by 5:00 p.m. 500 words or less. tongue.gif


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post May 7 2005, 02:37 PM
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The impression that I got from that guy was that all people are universally sinful and that this was their nature. I start from the opposite perspective, assuming that people naturally want to do the right things but give themselves excuses to avoid doing them because sometimes it's easier to give in and be weak.

The guy in the email gave me the distinct impression that he could happily go through six days being weak because on the seventh he would repent. More than this, his attitude suggested that he treats his weakness as proof of the Bible! Like I say, that's the kind of thing that scares me: original sin gives people the biggest scapegoat ever. 'I was made to be sinful', so rather than feeling normal when they're good they feel proud.

Normality should always be common decency. Arguing that normality is sin just develops a very dangerous precedent, it gives the anticipation that people will be evil which then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. People might say 'I beat my wife, but now I feel bad for giving in to my sinful nature', instead of 'I went outside of normal decent behaviour and beat my wife, so it's my fault'. It doesn't sound like a big difference, but it just makes the individual responsible rather than deferring blame onto a distant ancestor that even a lot of Christians are quite doubtful ever really existed. Call me crazy, but I think a religion should encourage personal responsibility rather than deferrence.


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- Jaq   Southern Baptist Church   May 7 2005, 01:00 AM
- - IrishGuy   ¬.¬ I had nothing to do with this! I swear...   May 7 2005, 01:04 AM
|- - ravein   QUOTE (IrishGuy @ May 6 2005, 09:04 PM)¬.¬...   May 7 2005, 01:31 AM
- - ravein   WOW. Well I can't say I am surprised. That p...   May 7 2005, 01:30 AM
- - sjbbandgeek   I find it disturbing that the people break their m...   May 7 2005, 01:40 AM
- - believe   I don't think we're close to a theocracy. ...   May 7 2005, 01:46 AM
- - Jaq   QUOTE (believe @ May 7 2005, 10:46 AM)The gay...   May 7 2005, 02:47 AM
- - believe   QUOTE There's a huge difference between gay ma...   May 7 2005, 06:22 AM
- - CommieBastard   On the slightly tangential topic that has come up:...   May 7 2005, 08:55 AM
- - believe   There's a lot more than that one verse in Levi...   May 7 2005, 11:45 AM
- - Mata   QUOTE 1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the w...   May 7 2005, 12:13 PM
- - believe   QUOTE There goes Bush and most of the world then...   May 7 2005, 01:03 PM
- - Mata   The impression that I got from that guy was that a...   May 7 2005, 02:37 PM
- - sjbbandgeek   Many things that are wriiten in the bible are mean...   May 7 2005, 09:34 PM
- - ravein   QUOTE Many things that are wriiten in the bible ar...   May 7 2005, 09:41 PM
|- - Calantyr   QUOTE (ravein @ May 7 2005, 10:41 PM)Can you ...   May 8 2005, 02:12 AM
|- - ravein   QUOTE (Calantyr @ May 7 2005, 10:12 PM)QUOTE ...   May 8 2005, 04:14 AM
- - sjbbandgeek   The family has consisted of a mother, father, and ...   May 8 2005, 04:48 AM
|- - ravein   QUOTE (sjbbandgeek @ May 8 2005, 12:48 AM)The...   May 8 2005, 05:24 AM
- - candice   Actually... Most psychologists have found that as...   May 8 2005, 05:03 AM
- - Jonman   I fail to see how two blokes living together and w...   May 8 2005, 10:00 AM
- - believe   Mata:QUOTE The impression that I got from that guy...   May 8 2005, 11:12 AM
- - CommieBastard   Back on the topic that this thread started on - si...   May 8 2005, 11:19 AM
- - believe   On gay marriage, well, there's a couple of poi...   May 8 2005, 11:32 AM
|- - Museum Girl   QUOTE (believe @ May 8 2005, 12:32 PM)On gay ...   May 12 2005, 10:54 PM
|- - CommieBastard   QUOTE (believe @ May 8 2005, 12:32 PM)For one...   May 13 2005, 06:33 AM
- - believe   QUOTE I don't see how a church kicking out som...   May 8 2005, 11:35 AM
|- - CommieBastard   QUOTE (believe @ May 8 2005, 12:35 PM)The arg...   May 8 2005, 11:55 AM
- - ravein   Here is a update on this issue. http://www.wral.c...   May 9 2005, 01:59 PM
- - ravein   Here is the final update on this. http://www.cnn....   May 11 2005, 12:57 PM
- - believe   CommieBastard: Here's a simplified version of...   May 11 2005, 09:04 PM
- - Mata   {quick note - My impression was that Believe was p...   May 13 2005, 12:12 AM
- - believe   QUOTE You can't say that these things have bee...   May 13 2005, 06:43 AM
|- - Museum Girl   QUOTE (believe @ May 13 2005, 07:43 AM)QUOTE ...   May 14 2005, 12:58 AM
- - believe   QUOTE Other things that have increased as gay righ...   May 13 2005, 06:46 AM
- - CommieBastard   believe, I'm having trouble getting the hang o...   May 13 2005, 06:49 AM
- - believe   CommieBastard: My apologies. I'm just trying t...   May 13 2005, 06:56 AM
|- - CommieBastard   QUOTE (believe @ May 13 2005, 07:56 AM)My nai...   May 13 2005, 07:02 AM
- - believe   QUOTE But unless we know who's right, we won...   May 13 2005, 07:16 AM
- - believe   QUOTE Sorry I misunderstood what you meant. By mar...   May 16 2005, 05:50 PM
|- - Museum Girl   QUOTE (believe @ May 16 2005, 06:50 PM)QUOTE ...   May 16 2005, 10:32 PM
- - believe   QUOTE By straight people being allowed to prevent ...   May 17 2005, 04:43 PM
|- - CommieBastard   QUOTE (believe @ May 17 2005, 05:43 PM)At the...   May 17 2005, 04:49 PM
- - believe   QUOTE This isn't a realistic fear. That kind o...   May 17 2005, 05:24 PM
|- - CommieBastard   QUOTE (believe @ May 17 2005, 06:24 PM)heh. I...   May 18 2005, 04:54 PM
- - believe   True and true about the coffee woman. This was my ...   May 18 2005, 06:50 PM


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