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post May 31 2005, 09:31 AM
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For those of you who don't read Pointless Waste of Time (warning: strong language and adult content), they recently posted an article called A Gamer's Manifesto: 20 things gamers want from the seventh generation of game consoles.

A lot of what they said hit home with me; some excerpts I particularly agreed with:

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2. Give us a genre of game we've never seen before. Something that's not an FPS or an RPG or Madden NFL or...

Why isn't a there a spy game where we actually get to be a real spy rather than a hallway-roving kill machine? You know, where we actually have to talk to contacts and extract information and tap phones and piece together clues, a game full of exotic locales and deception and backstabbing and subplots? A game where a gun is used as often as a real spy would use it (that is, almost never)?

Where's the game where we're a castaway on a deserted island and the object of the game is to find food and clean water and build a shelter, a game where we can play for one month or six months, because whether or not we get rescued is randomized? Where every time we restart we get a different island with different wildlife and vegetation and water sources?

Where's the game where we play a salty Southern lawyer who has to piece together evidence to exonerate a black man falsely accused of murder, breaking down witnesses and spotting inconsistencies in testimony?


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Developers will be shocked one day when they notice that the world is full of women. It's true! More than half of your potential customer base are penisless. They have money. They like doing fun things. And yet, how do you think they feel when they play a game where the heroine looks like this:



Yeah, that's what she wears into battle. Thong-length kimono, no bra for those flopping DDD breasts.

And this is years after analysts told developers that women would happily play games if they didn't feel so objectified by them, and several decades past the point where they should have even needed to be told that. Have you guys ever met a woman? Then why don't you try making just a few games that don't play off of a 14 year-old male's idea of womanhood on the apparent hope that he'll play the game one-handed?


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post May 31 2005, 01:00 PM
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A programmer friend of mine was at E3 and found that she, while enjoying it, was enjoying it less every year that she goes. Here's my response to what she wrote:

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It's intriguing to see that the industry is getting tired of E3.

I read a UK magazine called 'Edge'. It is a games magazine that is very
directly targeted at adults and is not shy about publishing six-page
articles analysing game-production culture. Reading that next month
would contain coverage of E3 I couldn't help but feel a little annoyed.
I know it's a very important event, but it seems that the ratio of
useful information to dull background noise is making the job of
reporters increasingly difficult. When there are so many thousands of
people, and seemingly as many games being shown, then it is hard to
believe that the most important titles are being covered or that the
ones that are shown are given the amount of time that they deserve.

From the narrowing of this ratio it simply seems that E3 is becoming
increasingly hostile to the production of useful games coverage.

Judging by what you say, it seems likely that the best strategy for
survival is the one that it looks like you've adopted: get a few target
games that you're interested in the the development of and then
focussing on getting time with those, then treating the rest of it as a
social event. That's probably the most useful way for a visitor to
handle it, but it still doesn't make it any easier for journalists to
find the most interesting new games, which then negates the importance
of the event for people like me because we don't get the coverage that
would be most useful to us.

In another regard, this problem does have a more direct impact on the
consumer. If a game company spends $1m on a stall to promote a game that
sells a million copies then obviously each consumer is spending one
dollar on that event alone. Many games won't sell one million copies, so
the prices are kept high by the cost of marketing.

This is just an outsider's view on the event, but even as a reader I
find the array of information daunting and essentially next-to useless
as it becomes white noise of third-person samurai/ninjas, first-person
'tactical' shooters, and an occasional quirky game that gets lost in the
fray. If it's daunting even after the translation and ordering of
journalists then I'd hate to think what it's like for people who are there!


I know it seems a little off-topic, but my basic point is that the small, interesting games are very rarely getting the coverage that they need, or are even likely to be able to find that coverage at the kind of events where they should be being given the most attention. I'm pleased that the GDC is becoming bigger because that seems to actually be really interested in finding something new.

There has been a game like the spy one described in the quote at the top of this thread. It was called 'Hacker' and came out on the ZX Spectrum 48k. There were pretty much no instructions and you had to work it all out for yourself, find your own way to get the information from the game, and piece together clues about what was going on from shady informants all around the world. I loved it, and I don't think there's been anything like it since.


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- CommieBastard   What's Wrong With Gaming?   May 31 2005, 09:31 AM
- - moop   I pretty much agree with most of that. The games i...   May 31 2005, 11:12 AM
|- - CommieBastard   QUOTE (moop @ May 31 2005, 12:12 PM)Personall...   May 31 2005, 12:02 PM
- - Mata   A programmer friend of mine was at E3 and found th...   May 31 2005, 01:00 PM
- - PsychWardMike   Read the article, actually I was kicking around ma...   May 31 2005, 06:59 PM
|- - Mata   QUOTE (PsychWardMike @ May 31 2005, 06:59 PM)...   Jun 1 2005, 01:32 AM
- - arachnidoc17   I mean, seriously, ever since "the Guy Game...   May 31 2005, 11:08 PM
- - Calantyr   There are truly few people willing to make the lea...   Jun 2 2005, 02:09 AM
- - arachnidoc17   REZ is a really innovative game, it's really o...   Jun 2 2005, 09:35 PM
|- - Jonman   QUOTE (arachnidoc17 @ Jun 2 2005, 10:35 PM)RE...   Jun 3 2005, 08:27 AM
|- - CommieBastard   QUOTE (Jonman @ Jun 3 2005, 09:27 AM)Don...   Jun 3 2005, 09:41 AM
- - Mata   The visual style and the connection between the im...   Jun 3 2005, 09:45 AM
- - PsychWardMike   Then by your definition, Mata, wouldn't Viewti...   Jun 3 2005, 01:15 PM
- - Jonman   QUOTE (mata)The visual style and the connection be...   Jun 3 2005, 01:40 PM
- - Mata   Eyetoy I think is a good example here: great fun f...   Jun 3 2005, 04:32 PM
- - Museum Girl   QUOTE (CommieBastard @ May 31 2005, 10:31 AM)...   Jun 3 2005, 11:55 PM
|- - MistressAlti   QUOTE (Museum Girl @ Jun 3 2005, 05:55 PM)Spe...   Jun 6 2005, 03:59 PM
|- - Museum Girl   QUOTE (MistressAlti @ Jun 6 2005, 04:59 PM)QU...   Jun 6 2005, 05:47 PM
|- - CommieBastard   QUOTE (Museum Girl @ Jun 6 2005, 06:47 PM)Adm...   Jun 6 2005, 06:18 PM
|- - Jonman   QUOTE (CommieBastard @ Jun 6 2005, 07:18 PM)Q...   Jun 6 2005, 07:09 PM
|- - CommieBastard   QUOTE (Jonman @ Jun 6 2005, 08:09 PM)Undergro...   Jun 6 2005, 07:41 PM
- - Calantyr   If you want a good Spy game, dig up Spycraft: The ...   Jun 4 2005, 01:09 AM
- - gothictheysay   QUOTE Speaking as one of the penisless ones, and f...   Jun 4 2005, 01:14 AM
- - Museum Girl   QUOTE (gothictheysay @ Jun 4 2005, 02:14 AM)Q...   Jun 4 2005, 10:15 PM
|- - CommieBastard   QUOTE (Museum Girl @ Jun 4 2005, 11:15 PM)Thi...   Jun 4 2005, 10:56 PM
|- - Museum Girl   QUOTE (CommieBastard @ Jun 4 2005, 11:56 PM)Q...   Jun 4 2005, 11:28 PM
- - Aislinn Faye   Someone who complains about what the women look li...   Jun 5 2005, 01:40 AM
- - PsychWardMike   Let's face it, children... men and women both...   Jun 5 2005, 03:58 AM
|- - Jonman   QUOTE (PsychWardMike @ Jun 5 2005, 04:58 AM)L...   Jun 5 2005, 10:40 AM
- - Feyliya   I'm much more likely to play a sexy, fully-clo...   Jun 5 2005, 04:12 AM
- - Tarantio   I just thought it wasa good game because, although...   Jun 5 2005, 12:57 PM
- - Mata   It was a really good attempt to make a game that d...   Jun 5 2005, 05:29 PM
- - {Gothic Angel}   Without haivng fully gone through the thread, I do...   Jun 5 2005, 07:36 PM
|- - CommieBastard   QUOTE ({Gothic Angel} @ Jun 5 2005, 08:36 PM)...   Jun 5 2005, 08:45 PM
|- - arachnidoc17   QUOTE ({Gothic Angel} @ Jun 5 2005, 03:36 PM)...   Jun 7 2005, 10:00 PM
- - PsychWardMike   Comfortably cool, I'd say. Underground away f...   Jun 6 2005, 08:33 PM
|- - Jonman   QUOTE (PsychWardMike @ Jun 6 2005, 09:33 PM)C...   Jun 6 2005, 09:12 PM
- - Feyliya   QUOTE (Museum Girl @ Jun 6 2005, 09:47 AM)And...   Jun 6 2005, 08:47 PM
|- - Sir_Psycho_Sexy   QUOTE (Feyliya @ Jun 6 2005, 08:47 PM)QUOTE (...   Jun 7 2005, 02:55 PM
- - Tarantio   QUOTE ({Gothic Angel} @ Jun 5 2005, 07:36 PM)...   Jun 6 2005, 11:31 PM
|- - Jonman   QUOTE (Tarantio @ Jun 7 2005, 12:31 AM)Just t...   Jun 7 2005, 08:05 AM
- - Mata   She runs lots without getting tired and she can ju...   Jun 7 2005, 12:18 AM
|- - CommieBastard   QUOTE (Mata @ Jun 7 2005, 01:18 AM)As to whet...   Jun 7 2005, 07:02 AM
|- - arachnidoc17   QUOTE (Mata @ Jun 6 2005, 08:18 PM)Like the m...   Jun 7 2005, 09:55 PM
- - CommieBastard   From my experience with burning torches, they real...   Jun 7 2005, 08:30 AM
|- - Jonman   QUOTE (CommieBastard @ Jun 7 2005, 09:30 AM)F...   Jun 7 2005, 09:11 AM
|- - CommieBastard   QUOTE (Jonman @ Jun 7 2005, 10:11 AM)QUOTE (C...   Jun 7 2005, 09:32 AM
- - PsychWardMike   And clearly no experience with spelling the word ...   Jun 7 2005, 01:15 PM
- - PsychWardMike   Incorrect. Splinter Cell is Theif without blackja...   Jun 7 2005, 10:06 PM
- - arachnidoc17   And don't forget Hammerites!   Jun 7 2005, 10:08 PM
- - Tarantio   and, for jon's benefit, burning torches but...   Jun 7 2005, 10:46 PM
- - Museum Girl   QUOTE (CommieBastard @ Jun 6 2005, 07:18 PM)Q...   Jun 9 2005, 08:06 PM
- - Mata   Then again, if: I were a woman living in a land w...   Jun 9 2005, 11:43 PM
|- - Jonman   QUOTE (Mata @ Jun 10 2005, 12:43 AM)then I to...   Jun 10 2005, 07:11 AM
- - Mata   Yep, I even have a trained lizard/ape thing to kic...   Jun 10 2005, 11:05 AM
|- - Jonman   QUOTE (Mata @ Jun 10 2005, 12:05 PM)Yep, I ev...   Jun 10 2005, 11:11 AM
- - {Gothic Angel}   QUOTE (Tarantio @ Jun 7 2005, 10:46 PM)and, f...   Jun 14 2005, 07:38 AM
- - Mata   We are talking here about people who don't not...   Jun 14 2005, 01:05 PM


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