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Wyvern
post Jul 18 2005, 08:38 PM
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Finally it begins!


Usually you would expect to find this in creations. Mata however suggested it would be more productive to place this thread in daily life, so as you have obviously noticed here it is.

For those of you already aware that this project was in the pipeline, thank you for your support and patience to date. For those of you who haven’t a clue what this is about I invite you to participate in my investigations.

Firstly I believe a little background information may be useful.
You may or may not be aware that I am a practising artist. I work across wide range of media and ideas depending on my particular focus at any one time. Currently that focus is centred almost exclusively upon information and the systems we as a species use to record and display information. More specifically my attention is currently focused on maps and the way we perceive them in all their varied forms. In order to explore maps and the way individuals view them I have chosen to concentrate (for the moment at least) on surfaces and concepts that are not usually recorded or displayed in ‘map’ form. Previous projects have selected subject matter of a predominantly physical nature the texture of skin, human palm prints and the like.

To take the next step forward in my work I want to put my current findings and conclusions to the test using subject matter which is physically less tangible, something that in many ways cannot be viewed as a solid object or a fixed landscape.
For this I have chosen to look at the internet. The term Worldwide Web evokes in its own way a landscape, a complex network with its own boundaries and rules, something with a distinct physical presence of its own. Yet how many maps and atlases attempt to depict the internet as a physical entity?

It has been done, of that I am aware and the images produced are stunning, enough to fill two books that I am aware of at present (as soon as I can track them down again I will post some links). I am not attempting to copy these images in any way, at this point I have no idea what form this project will take other than a distinct feeling that it will evolve into a series rather than a single piece as already the information and ideas I have gathered are far too complex to be effectively demonstrated within one piece. I may find out something new along the way that proves this point wrong but that again is part of the experience.

At this stage I had better clarify out that many points within this statement are fairly broad generalisation on my part and can be argued in many different directions. Many I have presented to you in a highly simplified way because at this point in my explorations this is the best way for them to make sense as in reality they are constantly changing as I develop my ideas and research. Some are just scribbled notes along the margins of very dubious studies and may eventually be discarded entirely.


Which leads me to ‘The Project’
In order to ‘map’ the internet I need a starting point to work from as it is a vast beastie. Even if I could freeze it at this exact point in time it would take many of my lifetimes and more skill than I possess to thoroughly map every section. Instead I have set my sights on something more manageable, still vastly more complicated than I initially thought but easier to approach. However I need the help of as many forumites as are willing to spare me a few moments of their precious time.

This thread is my starting point.
If it goes well I hope to expand beyond this one and explore other avenues but for the moment, for simplicity and sanity’s sake I’m keeping it simple and concentrating on the one.
All I ask is that having read this you respond, in any way you like, to any idea that interests you. Statements, questions, suggestions for points to consider and things to look at anything and everything is brilliant whether it be a post directly in this thread or a PM or an email to myself.

Before you do however please look at the following points, for the success of this project they are crucial!!!
When you make a post, PM etc, I will be recording the following information….


• Time of post
• Date of post
• Member number of posting member
• Members title
• Members Gender (as stated under Av unless otherwise requested)
• Whether it is in response to the first post or to an issue raised within future posts.
• Content of post (mainly for tracking purposes although if I want to use particular quotes I will contact you in person and ask first)
• Nature of contact, whether it is a PM, Email, text etc…


I would like to be able to make note of the following details but I need each member to give permission before I can use these either within their post or in a separate PM.
Although the information cannot be traced back from the work to yourselves I am aware some of you may prefer to keep these details private, in which case I shall respect that privacy and will work around this.
I adore a challenge so please do not consider this a guilt trip, if you wish this information to be undisclosed I completely understand and will abide by your choice.


• Location: Ideally the city or town would be wonderful but I am equally happy with the wider catagories of country, continent or hemisphere.
• Age


You may have noticed I have refrained from posting any images of previous work at this point. That is because apart from a very few of you who have seen it I would like the initial responses to be uninfluenced by my previous work. Once things are underway I will keep you updated of my progress and post images so that you are aware of how things are going and of what my other work is like. At all times I ask you to be as honest and constructive as I know you all are, anything you can give me even if its “nah not impressed because…” will be invaluable.

This project only stops when the thread dies, it may be after 2 posts or 200.
Thank you for your time and involvement.


Now…On with the experiment!


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post Jul 18 2005, 08:55 PM
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When you say that you are 'mapping' the Internet, do you envisage something that looks like a map, or something else, e.g. a 3d network diagram drawn by Escher (sp) after a hard night on the town? Also, you ask for location, which seems to indicate that traditional mapping will play some part in this, but I am pondering how much of the more traditional type of map you will, or indeed how much you will be able, to put into the project. Anyway, good luck, it sounds like a very ambitious plan but I'm sure you can manage it.

P.S. You have my full permission to use my details, and I live in the county town of Stafford


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post Jul 18 2005, 09:00 PM
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I am completely and utterly baffled. I'm not entirely sure how you're going to show the internet in one. Please explain further. Oh yes, and I don't mind you using my details at all. smile.gif


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post Jul 18 2005, 09:15 PM
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When you say that you are 'mapping' the Internet, do you envisage something that looks like a map, or something else, e.g. a 3d network diagram drawn by Escher (sp) after a hard night on the town? Also, you ask for location, which seems to indicate that traditional mapping will play some part in this, but I am pondering how much of the more traditional type of map you will, or indeed how much you will be able, to put into the project.


At this point I am purely collecting data and assessing the different ways I might display it. Initially it is taking the form of a log, also linear diagrams similar to that of family trees and basic tube train maps are also proving useful to look at. First stage images are mainly going to focs on keeping a clear record of the information in order to work from it and refer back later. Of course I cannot ignore the traditional method of plotting locations upon a geographical image or perhaps producing a 3D representation of the interaction between this thread and the actual RL location of the posting members that is quite an important consideration at this point, even I need a familiar reference point to work from first or with all the information I've gathered in just a few hours my little mind would fry. tongue.gif .
As yet the exact route I will go down is at the developmental, multiple possibilities stage. As my research progresses alongside this thread things should become more clear although at this point I won't even hazard a guess as to what the final image/images will look like. Although I really want to push against all my comfort zones with this one...it is an experiment after all. biggrin.gif

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I am completely and utterly baffled. I'm not entirely sure how you're going to show the internet in one.

To be honest neither am I yet.

Thankyou for the details permission!!!


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post Jul 18 2005, 09:15 PM
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Would cand posting as moop cause confusion? Or add to your fun?

Neither of us mind having out details used (though this _actually_ is moop posting).

(Ashton-under-Hill, or just somewhere by Evesham...)


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post Jul 18 2005, 09:16 PM
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QUOTE (moop @ Jul 18 2005, 09:15 PM)
Would cand posting as moop cause confusion? Or add to your fun?

Neither of us mind having out details used (though this _actually_ is moop posting).

(Ashton-under-Hill, or just somewhere by Evesham...)
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Ohh I'm sure that will just add to the fun! biggrin.gif
As long as you still tell me which is which tongue.gif


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post Jul 18 2005, 09:21 PM
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Teehee yet more complictions to add to your fun! tongue.gif


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post Jul 18 2005, 09:22 PM
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We'll be sure to tell you which is which (this is cand, just to be sure).

And if the thread is still going when I get home, I'll post from there as well (and give the details then). biggrin.gif And like moop said, I don't mind having my details posted, and am currently in the same place as him.


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post Jul 18 2005, 09:26 PM
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How cool!

Just wondering, though - what if the thread dies, and then someone bumps it? Would the project start all over again?

(For the sake of my mother's sanity, I'll just say that I'm near Amarillo)


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post Jul 18 2005, 09:39 PM
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Just wondering, though - what if the thread dies, and then someone bumps it? Would the project start all over again?


It would indeed, assuming I am still around and paying attention that is tongue.gif


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post Jul 18 2005, 09:43 PM
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could you re explain. slowly *brain not working*


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post Jul 18 2005, 09:47 PM
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I shall try m'dear.
Basic gist this mad little fool is going to attempt to explore mapping and the way people look at maps by mapping this little section of matazone.

Ahh when its put that way I think I must be mad biggrin.gif


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post Jul 18 2005, 09:50 PM
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All the info's there that you need she's just after replies to log!


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post Jul 18 2005, 10:06 PM
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I take it you want my age (22) and where I live (Budleigh Salterton)


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post Jul 18 2005, 10:14 PM
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Ohh thankyou, another bit for the list. You should see the amount of data already! I may have to adjust my recording technique.


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post Jul 18 2005, 10:17 PM
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Well, you mention a possible three-dimensional model given the complexity of the Interweb, but even that might not be enough - so what about a fourth dimension? Creating an animated piece could reflect the hyperfluid nature of the Interweb, and at least in my mind be a more accurate aesthetic portrayal.

(You have full permission to use any information you know about me or find out about me in the future, for any and all artistic purposes)

(I am in fact male; my gender reading "Female" is a joke that makes sense only to me)

(I live in East London, though this is being posted from Broadstairs, Kent)


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[QUOTE][quote=CommieBastard,Jul 18 2005, 10:17 PM]
Well, you mention a possible three-dimensional model given the complexity of the Interweb, but even that might not be enough - so what about a fourth dimension? Creating an animated piece could reflect the hyperfluid nature of the Interweb, and at least in my mind be a more accurate aesthetic portrayal.[/QUOTE]

Now that is a thought indeed, particularly as the hardest part at the moment appears to be recording various related things which overlap time wise. It would certainly help in expressing the speed of growth, amoung other things, that a static display might struggle portraying.


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I be 17, and live in Thatcham. Details are ok. I can't really think of much to say aside from the fact that I admire the concept and yourself for doing it. I'm interested to see how it turns out smile.gif.


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post Jul 18 2005, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE (CommieBastard @ Jul 18 2005, 06:17 PM)
Well, you mention a possible three-dimensional model given the complexity of the Interweb, but even that might not be enough - so what about a fourth dimension? Creating an animated piece could reflect the hyperfluid nature of the Interweb, and at least in my mind be a more accurate aesthetic portrayal.
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That might be kind of hard, considering that to human eyes the fourth dimension is inconcievable.

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QUOTE (arachnidoc17 @ Jul 18 2005, 10:35 PM)
QUOTE (CommieBastard @ Jul 18 2005, 06:17 PM)
Well, you mention a possible three-dimensional model given the complexity of the Interweb, but even that might not be enough - so what about a fourth dimension? Creating an animated piece could reflect the hyperfluid nature of the Interweb, and at least in my mind be a more accurate aesthetic portrayal.
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That might be kind of hard, considering that to human eyes the fourth dimension is inconcievable.

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Erm, a fourth dimension is generally taken to be time. Hence an animated piece.


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post Jul 18 2005, 10:44 PM
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QUOTE (Greeneyes @ Jul 18 2005, 06:39 PM)
Erm, a fourth dimension is generally taken to be time. Hence an animated piece.
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blink.gif Oh, I thought he was implying THE fourth dimension. That's all about hypercubes and stuff. Really complicated.


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You have all my best wishes for this, I can see it being something amazing... being privaledged enough to have seen some of your previous work and knowing your amazing abilty and power of determination I can see it being something truely amazing.

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post Jul 18 2005, 10:53 PM
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QUOTE (arachnidoc17 @ Jul 18 2005, 03:44 PM)
QUOTE (Greeneyes @ Jul 18 2005, 06:39 PM)
Erm, a fourth dimension is generally taken to be time. Hence an animated piece.
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blink.gif Oh, I thought he was implying THE fourth dimension. That's all about hypercubes and stuff. Really complicated.
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That being, I believe, a theoretical concept. Also, a hypercube is just a cube extended to four dimensions, I doubt this fourth dimension is "all about them". I'm pretty sure there's a lot more to four dimensional space than that. As for hypercubes, they're actually pretty simple - the logical extension of going from a dot to a line, from a line to a square and from that square to a cube.

(Though this doesn't stop 4D space being mind breaking to visualise)


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post Jul 18 2005, 10:56 PM
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sounds like it will be intresting to see the results.
Just one question though, you say it will go on as long as the thread is alive, what if you collect the data and start drwaing or animating or whatever and someone else posts? will you have to start again?
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I'm sorry, but that project would make my head hurt tongue.gif

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