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bryden42
post Jan 30 2006, 08:03 PM
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Ok, So I am all up for free speech and whilst not a great fan of religion I also up for anyone believing in whatever they wish but an interesting situation arose for a teacher friend of mine the other week and I thought that I would field it to you guys to discuss.

It goes like this:
Teacher is asked by small girl (who is a Pentacostalist christian)
"how long can someone hold their breath for?"
Teacher (with alarm bells ringing) asks
"Why do you want to know?"
Little girl replies
"last Sunday the pastor was telling us about jonah and the whale, And I was wondering how long jonah could have held his breath for"
Teacher replies
"I think that that story is meant to be allegorical"
Small child gets Irate and says
"No its not our pastor says so, and he said that anyone that saidit was is going to hell"

Now there are a number of things that concern me about this story (Respect for elders and the brainwashing of small children not withstanding) what concerns me here though is the fact that after the outburst the teacher in question left the conversation and walked away, Why? because of fear of losing a job. This leads me to the question where do you draw the line between being able to say what you want despite the religious implications and religion being able to control what is said, for example the Hamas party has recently said that it does not recognise Israel and its right to exist or believe what it does (not an exact quote but deffinately the upshot of).
Of course I don't recognise any religions right to tell me what I can or cannot say or do does this make me an extremist? (of course I have enough respect for others beliefs to live and let live).

Any body else any thoughts?


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post Feb 7 2006, 11:41 PM
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The demand for beheadings is far too extreme. I can sympathize with a bit of righteous anger at first, but it should have settled down into most of the offended people grumbling a bit and perhaps writing occasional letters to the editor of the newspaper that published the cartoons originally. There likely would have been a few die-hard fanatics screaming about sinful the whole business was, but that sort of whinging happens every time someone gets snarky with any religion. This kind of widespread rage shouldn't be continuing for so long, and the people who stirred it up originally were being very stupid.
I just read another article about it, and apparently some protesters set the Norwegian embassy in Syria on fire. This has reached the point of unreasonable anger, and I'm not really sure what would be best to settle the crisis at this point.


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- bryden42   Religious Freedom Versus Freedom Of Speech   Jan 30 2006, 08:03 PM
- - beleraphon   interesting I'd have bounced it back to the ...   Jan 30 2006, 10:12 PM
- - Mata   The expression of beliefs is always a tricky thing...   Jan 31 2006, 12:19 AM
- - Calantyr   She asked the question to the teacher. They is per...   Jan 31 2006, 12:40 AM
- - Mata   It would certainly be an interesting test case. I...   Jan 31 2006, 12:12 PM
- - Calantyr   Oh I'm not saying we should beat all sense of ...   Jan 31 2006, 05:44 PM
- - bryden42   just to add to this, I heard on the radio on the w...   Jan 31 2006, 07:25 PM
- - Museum Girl   The teacher ought to be able to explain biological...   Jan 31 2006, 08:27 PM
- - Astarael   All of the above advice sounds sensible. When the ...   Feb 1 2006, 12:25 AM
|- - beleraphon   QUOTE (Astarael @ Feb 1 2006, 12:25 AM)How on...   Feb 2 2006, 05:50 PM
|- - Jonman   QUOTE (Astarael @ Feb 1 2006, 01:25 AM)How on...   Feb 2 2006, 07:58 PM
- - sjbbandgeek   In California, a teacher can tell a student that t...   Feb 1 2006, 12:55 AM
|- - candice   QUOTE (sjbbandgeek @ Jan 31 2006, 04:55 PM)In...   Feb 1 2006, 02:55 AM
- - sjbbandgeek   I apologise for exaggerating the comment. As far a...   Feb 1 2006, 05:11 AM
- - Daedalus   Seems like a fairly hefty grudge to hold against s...   Feb 1 2006, 10:27 PM
- - Museum Girl   QUOTE (Astarael @ Feb 1 2006, 01:25 AM)How on...   Feb 2 2006, 08:47 PM
- - Astarael   That would just about do it. I was a bit puzzled b...   Feb 2 2006, 09:32 PM
- - sjbbandgeek   Teachers do not have the responsibility to discuss...   Feb 3 2006, 04:44 AM
- - Wookiee   I thought this thread might have something to do w...   Feb 3 2006, 12:10 PM
|- - beleraphon   QUOTE (Wookiee @ Feb 3 2006, 12:10 PM)I thoug...   Feb 3 2006, 12:52 PM
|- - Wookiee   QUOTE (beleraphon @ Feb 3 2006, 01:52 PM)A da...   Feb 5 2006, 01:09 PM
- - Mata   They are completely right to be incensed by the ca...   Feb 3 2006, 01:24 PM
- - Calantyr   I like how lots of them are complaining that the c...   Feb 3 2006, 01:41 PM
- - beleraphon   just remeber that its only a minority of muslims w...   Feb 3 2006, 01:53 PM
- - Calantyr   Oh believe me, I don't think that every Muslim...   Feb 3 2006, 02:07 PM
- - beleraphon   And the paper that printed the pictures was delibe...   Feb 3 2006, 07:34 PM
- - Astarael   The cartoons had indeed been out for a while, but ...   Feb 3 2006, 10:16 PM
- - Mata   Do they have a right to be so angry? I'm reall...   Feb 4 2006, 01:35 AM
- - artist.unknown   Well, it must be pointed out that it wasn't on...   Feb 4 2006, 09:26 PM
- - Astarael   The Muslims who are giving death threats and havin...   Feb 4 2006, 10:07 PM
|- - Jonman   QUOTE (Astarael @ Feb 4 2006, 11:07 PM)When s...   Feb 4 2006, 11:48 PM
- - trunks_girl26   QUOTE (Jonman @ Feb 4 2006, 06:48 PM)QUOTE (A...   Feb 5 2006, 12:04 AM
|- - Jonman   QUOTE (trunks_girl26 @ Feb 5 2006, 01:04 AM)Q...   Feb 5 2006, 03:46 PM
|- - Calantyr   QUOTE (Jonman @ Feb 5 2006, 04:46 PM)That...   Feb 5 2006, 05:59 PM
- - Mata   RE: Religious Freedom Versus Freedom Of Speech   Feb 6 2006, 01:26 PM
- - bryden42   Mata, That rules! Wow, when i started this to...   Feb 6 2006, 06:43 PM
- - Witless   All those questions remind me of a documentry I sa...   Feb 6 2006, 08:28 PM
- - Calantyr   The first 'religious war' wasn't faugh...   Feb 7 2006, 06:01 PM
- - Mata   The problem with that approach is that religion is...   Feb 7 2006, 06:52 PM
- - bryden42   QUOTE On a pedantic note to Bryden: Taoism is a ph...   Feb 7 2006, 07:55 PM
- - Astarael   The demand for beheadings is far too extreme. I ca...   Feb 7 2006, 11:41 PM
- - Mata   It's nice to see a sensible response from some...   Feb 8 2006, 04:05 PM
- - Astarael   That's a very mature and good thing to do. The...   Feb 8 2006, 09:28 PM
- - bryden42   QUOTE the media being attracted to raving sensatio...   Feb 10 2006, 09:24 AM
- - trunks_girl26   http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4691878.stm...   Feb 10 2006, 08:01 PM
|- - Calantyr   QUOTE (trunks_girl26 @ Feb 10 2006, 09:01 PM)...   Feb 10 2006, 08:36 PM
- - Astarael   Wow. So mocking the Holocaust will make everything...   Feb 10 2006, 09:56 PM
- - Mata   On the other hand, maybe Jews will show demonstrat...   Feb 11 2006, 01:18 AM
- - bryden42   QUOTE but I remain an optimist hmmm optimism vs re...   Feb 11 2006, 10:06 PM
- - Mata   You can be an optimist and be aware of the statist...   Feb 12 2006, 06:39 PM
- - Astarael   I was thinking of people everywhere being outraged...   Feb 12 2006, 07:39 PM
|- - Calantyr   QUOTE (Astarael @ Feb 12 2006, 08:39 PM)I was...   Feb 12 2006, 07:45 PM
- - Mata   I can't remember for sure; am I right in sayin...   Feb 12 2006, 11:08 PM
|- - Calantyr   QUOTE (Mata @ Feb 13 2006, 12:08 AM)I can...   Feb 12 2006, 11:16 PM
- - Mata   It's actually quite tricky to think of a less ...   Feb 12 2006, 11:40 PM
|- - Calantyr   QUOTE (Mata @ Feb 13 2006, 12:40 AM)I wonder ...   Feb 12 2006, 11:50 PM
- - Astarael   How on earth do you think of Mother Theresa and as...   Feb 13 2006, 09:33 PM
- - Mata   There is a lot of criticism over her approaches to...   Feb 14 2006, 12:40 AM
|- - bryden42   WOW, When you put it like that it kind of makes yo...   Feb 15 2006, 08:19 PM
- - Astarael   People see what they want to see, and this may not...   Feb 15 2006, 09:40 PM
- - Mata   The influence of the Catholic church may have some...   Feb 15 2006, 10:57 PM
- - Calantyr   If God knows the future and whether we will succee...   Feb 16 2006, 01:58 AM
- - sjbbandgeek   How can one appreciate the light when one has neve...   Feb 16 2006, 04:23 AM
|- - Calantyr   QUOTE (sjbbandgeek @ Feb 16 2006, 05:23 AM)Ho...   Feb 16 2006, 06:37 AM
|- - candice   QUOTE (Calantyr @ Feb 15 2006, 10:37 PM)But a...   Feb 16 2006, 08:16 AM
|- - Calantyr   QUOTE (candice @ Feb 16 2006, 09:16 AM)QUOTE ...   Feb 16 2006, 11:13 AM
|- - candice   QUOTE (Calantyr @ Feb 16 2006, 03:13 AM)That...   Feb 16 2006, 04:16 PM
|- - Calantyr   QUOTE (candice @ Feb 16 2006, 05:16 PM)I don...   Feb 17 2006, 04:42 AM
|- - crazymat   QUOTE (candice @ Feb 16 2006, 04:16 PM)What w...   Feb 18 2006, 01:19 PM
|- - candice   QUOTE (crazymat @ Feb 18 2006, 05:19 AM)I don...   Feb 18 2006, 05:18 PM
- - bryden42   QUOTE That's all rather missing the point. An ...   Feb 16 2006, 01:26 PM
- - sjbbandgeek   Well, in a perfect world, there is freedom of choi...   Feb 17 2006, 03:02 AM
- - trunks_girl26   QUOTE (sjbbandgeek @ Feb 16 2006, 10:02 PM)We...   Feb 17 2006, 04:17 AM
- - sjbbandgeek   Freedom of will and freedom of choice are the same...   Feb 18 2006, 04:43 AM
|- - Calantyr   QUOTE (sjbbandgeek @ Feb 18 2006, 05:43 AM)Fr...   Feb 18 2006, 05:01 AM
- - artist.unknown   QUOTE (crazymat @ Feb 18 2006, 02:19 PM)What ...   Feb 18 2006, 05:08 PM
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- - artist.unknown   QUOTE (trunks_girl26 @ Feb 19 2006, 06:14 AM)...   Feb 19 2006, 03:59 PM
- - trunks_girl26   QUOTE (artist.unknown @ Feb 19 2006, 10:59 AM...   Feb 19 2006, 08:57 PM
- - believe   Wow, am I late in posting. What I'm going to...   Feb 25 2006, 05:35 PM
- - Erin   i was having a talk about religion and evolution w...   Mar 13 2006, 12:50 PM


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