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post Apr 14 2006, 01:10 PM
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Up to 14% of teenagers self-harm, but half of the 25 who described themselves as Goths had done so, reported the British Medical Journal.

Most self-harmed before becoming a Goth, suggesting they chose the subculture because they felt their emotional distress would be understood.

Goths favour black clothing


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post Jan 8 2008, 03:07 AM
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So as the backlash against goth and emo we're going to have a generation of accountants? Interesting thought.

Now, I could see it working that way in America, but I think that British culture is a bit more set in its ways of rebellion. I doubt anyone over here is going to rebel through less of drugs, sex, and alcohol. I can see how the straight edge thing has happened in US culture, because being sober has a very wide appeal culturally, but in the UK I suspect that the only people who are tea-total are recovering alcoholics.

Admittedly, I'm basing this on a couple of weeks experience watching Americans socialise in California, and that was backed up by lots of US television. It seems like a character in 90% of US drama only has to sniff alcohol once and suddenly they're raving alcoholics. When I was staying with a group of students in California (as I've recounted in other places on this forum) they were very confused by my suggestion that we could all go out to a bar for the evening - that was utterly alien to them. Spending the night getting whacked out of their tree on pot was fine, but drinking alcohol? For fun and relaxation? Weird!

Am I going out too much on a limb, or does anyone else see this as a possible distinction between UK and US culture?


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post Jan 8 2008, 03:58 AM
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QUOTE (Mata @ Jan 8 2008, 03:07 AM) *
So as the backlash against goth and emo we're going to have a generation of accountants? Interesting thought.

Now, I could see it working that way in America, but I think that British culture is a bit more set in its ways of rebellion. I doubt anyone over here is going to rebel through less of drugs, sex, and alcohol. I can see how the straight edge thing has happened in US culture, because being sober has a very wide appeal culturally, but in the UK I suspect that the only people who are tea-total are recovering alcoholics.

Admittedly, I'm basing this on a couple of weeks experience watching Americans socialise in California, and that was backed up by lots of US television. It seems like a character in 90% of US drama only has to sniff alcohol once and suddenly they're raving alcoholics. When I was staying with a group of students in California (as I've recounted in other places on this forum) they were very confused by my suggestion that we could all go out to a bar for the evening - that was utterly alien to them. Spending the night getting whacked out of their tree on pot was fine, but drinking alcohol? For fun and relaxation? Weird!

Am I going out too much on a limb, or does anyone else see this as a possible distinction between UK and US culture?

That one is alcohol based, and the other drugs (well pot)?
Alcohol really is an integral part of British culture, and it is widely acceptable to go out on a Friday night and get sh**faced, and spend the rest of the weekend either drinking, or nursing your hangover before work on Monday. I really couldn't imagine not being able to drink- if, suddenly, the government decided that the legal drinking age should be 21 instead of 18. I was brought up with my parents having wine with dinner, and the idea that a beer/ glass of wine at lunchtime is perfectly acceptable. (I was also brought up with the idea that if you are going to drink, it should at least be nice, which is why I have a taste for local ales, Suffolk cyder and stout.) I sometimes wonder if I am drinking too much- over the Christmas period, I don't think there has been a day where I haven't had any alcohol. [I haven't been drunk (not even on New Year's Eve), either]
I do know of some straightedge UK kids, but they really are the bottom of the social rung. They are also ridiculouslly pretentiously emo, and it makes them seem as though they view themselves as being better than the rest of the drinking/ drugging world because they choose not to alter their brain with drugs/ alcohol.

I have no clue about American culture, in this respect. I am still periodically shocked by the way things are done in the US, that I have given up trying to find patterns!


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- Wookiee   Goths "more likely to self-harm".   Apr 14 2006, 01:10 PM
- - Felander   QUOTE (Wookiee @ Apr 14 2006, 02:10 PM)This i...   Apr 14 2006, 01:45 PM
- - pgrmdave   I think it's interesting that it's so much...   Apr 14 2006, 03:40 PM
- - I_am_the_best   I think it may just be people wanting to fit into ...   Apr 14 2006, 06:27 PM
|- - Novander   New Scientist took a slightly different approach t...   Apr 14 2006, 09:38 PM
- - candice   QUOTE Only 25 participants felt strongly associate...   Apr 15 2006, 01:42 AM
- - pgrmdave   The person who did the actual research did make me...   Apr 15 2006, 02:29 AM
- - candice   Yes, I know it was mentioned by the person who did...   Apr 15 2006, 02:45 AM
- - pgrmdave   What bothers me most about it is that the entire a...   Apr 15 2006, 02:51 AM
- - trunks_girl26   Well, the title is mainly used to draw people in t...   Apr 15 2006, 06:38 AM
- - Astarael   The misleading statistics (and title) are definite...   Apr 16 2006, 03:18 PM
|- - Wookiee   QUOTE (Astarael @ Apr 16 2006, 04:18 PM)The m...   Apr 17 2006, 11:14 PM
- - devils_daughter   I'm pretty sure if you interveiwed 1,258 teens...   Apr 16 2006, 09:56 PM
- - gothictheysay   Yeah, devils_daughter, but you can't know for ...   Apr 18 2006, 12:21 AM
|- - devils_daughter   QUOTE (gothictheysay @ Apr 17 2006, 07:21 PM)...   Apr 18 2006, 09:24 PM
- - candice   No, it isn't "the only way we'll know...   Apr 19 2006, 12:59 AM
- - pgrmdave   Maybe someone here could do a simple, informal stu...   Apr 19 2006, 01:22 PM
- - Astarael   That would be interesting, but you'd have to g...   Apr 19 2006, 08:36 PM
- - pgrmdave   Well, my thinking was to find a few different goth...   Apr 19 2006, 08:43 PM
- - candice   No, you wouldn't know that the original findin...   Apr 19 2006, 09:36 PM
- - pgrmdave   I know there are many more factors, but I wasn...   Apr 19 2006, 10:45 PM
- - devils_daughter   You could try making it a poll on Matazone? That w...   Apr 20 2006, 08:07 PM
- - pgrmdave   Ah - but we don't want a simple poll, because ...   Apr 20 2006, 10:19 PM
|- - devils_daughter   QUOTE (pgrmdave @ Apr 20 2006, 06:19 PM) ...   Apr 21 2006, 12:00 PM
|- - Sir_Psycho_Sexy   QUOTE (devils_daughter @ Apr 21 2006, 01...   Apr 21 2006, 04:23 PM
- - crazymat   what if they consider themselves goth, but have no...   Apr 21 2006, 12:49 PM
- - devils_daughter   Okay, so we could get into greater detail..like.....   Apr 21 2006, 01:01 PM
- - devils_daughter   ^ Then what would the point of the poll be? If onl...   Apr 21 2006, 06:38 PM
|- - candice   QUOTE (devils_daughter @ Apr 21 2006, 11...   Apr 21 2006, 06:48 PM
||- - devils_daughter   QUOTE (candice @ Apr 21 2006, 02:48 PM) Q...   Apr 21 2006, 06:59 PM
|- - Daria   QUOTE (devils_daughter @ Apr 21 2006, 07...   Apr 23 2006, 01:40 PM
- - gothictheysay   There really is no way that this can be done accur...   Apr 21 2006, 06:54 PM
- - candice   QUOTE (devils_daughter @ Apr 21 2006, 11...   Apr 21 2006, 07:30 PM
|- - devils_daughter   QUOTE (candice @ Apr 21 2006, 03:30 PM) Q...   Apr 21 2006, 07:47 PM
- - devils_daughter   ^ *notices how confusing this could really be*..uh...   Apr 23 2006, 06:35 PM
- - Museum Girl   QUOTE (candice @ Apr 15 2006, 02:42 AM) Q...   Apr 24 2006, 07:25 PM
|- - elphaba2   QUOTE (Museum Girl @ Apr 24 2006, 03:25 P...   Apr 25 2006, 08:24 PM
- - deepest cut gets a fiver   You see the problem is when yer walking down the s...   Jan 7 2008, 10:02 AM
- - Daria   Interesting first post. Welcome to Matazone... I g...   Jan 7 2008, 10:50 AM
- - Mata   Ah, so what you're saying Deepest, is that the...   Jan 7 2008, 01:00 PM
- - voices_in_my_head   Hmm. That's a pretty interesting thought, ther...   Jan 8 2008, 12:31 AM
- - Daria   It totally made sense. What's more, it backs u...   Jan 8 2008, 01:01 AM
- - Mata   So as the backlash against goth and emo we're ...   Jan 8 2008, 03:07 AM
|- - Daria   QUOTE (Mata @ Jan 8 2008, 03:07 AM) So as...   Jan 8 2008, 03:58 AM
|- - elphaba2   QUOTE (Mata @ Jan 7 2008, 10:07 PM) Now, ...   Jan 9 2008, 12:52 AM
- - voices_in_my_head   It really depends on where you go - Southern state...   Jan 8 2008, 03:52 AM
- - voices_in_my_head   Like I said, I have a feeling that it varies from ...   Jan 8 2008, 10:22 PM
|- - Daria   QUOTE (voices_in_my_head @ Jan 8 2008, 10...   Jan 8 2008, 11:17 PM
- - Mata   Just quickly (because I really should go to bed at...   Jan 9 2008, 05:14 AM
|- - Daria   QUOTE (and its pot as well, probably more than the...   Jan 9 2008, 10:43 AM
- - Mata   Don't forget mushrooms - the recreational drug...   Jan 12 2008, 03:06 AM
|- - Daria   QUOTE (Mata @ Jan 12 2008, 03:06 AM) Don...   Jan 13 2008, 03:01 PM
- - {Gothic Angel}   QUOTE (Wookiee @ Apr 17 2006, 11:14 PM) I...   Jan 14 2008, 07:02 PM


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