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post Apr 14 2006, 01:10 PM
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Up to 14% of teenagers self-harm, but half of the 25 who described themselves as Goths had done so, reported the British Medical Journal.

Most self-harmed before becoming a Goth, suggesting they chose the subculture because they felt their emotional distress would be understood.

Goths favour black clothing


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post Jan 8 2008, 03:07 AM
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So as the backlash against goth and emo we're going to have a generation of accountants? Interesting thought.

Now, I could see it working that way in America, but I think that British culture is a bit more set in its ways of rebellion. I doubt anyone over here is going to rebel through less of drugs, sex, and alcohol. I can see how the straight edge thing has happened in US culture, because being sober has a very wide appeal culturally, but in the UK I suspect that the only people who are tea-total are recovering alcoholics.

Admittedly, I'm basing this on a couple of weeks experience watching Americans socialise in California, and that was backed up by lots of US television. It seems like a character in 90% of US drama only has to sniff alcohol once and suddenly they're raving alcoholics. When I was staying with a group of students in California (as I've recounted in other places on this forum) they were very confused by my suggestion that we could all go out to a bar for the evening - that was utterly alien to them. Spending the night getting whacked out of their tree on pot was fine, but drinking alcohol? For fun and relaxation? Weird!

Am I going out too much on a limb, or does anyone else see this as a possible distinction between UK and US culture?


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QUOTE (Mata @ Jan 7 2008, 10:07 PM) *
Now, I could see it working that way in America, but I think that British culture is a bit more set in its ways of rebellion. I doubt anyone over here is going to rebel through less of drugs, sex, and alcohol. I can see how the straight edge thing has happened in US culture, because being sober has a very wide appeal culturally
Admittedly, I'm basing this on a couple of weeks experience watching Americans socialise in California, and that was backed up by lots of US television. It seems like a character in 90% of US drama only has to sniff alcohol once and suddenly they're raving alcoholics. When I was staying with a group of students in California (as I've recounted in other places on this forum) they were very confused by my suggestion that we could all go out to a bar for the evening - that was utterly alien to them. Spending the night getting whacked out of their tree on pot was fine, but drinking alcohol? For fun and relaxation? Weird!

Am I going out too much on a limb, or does anyone else see this as a possible distinction between UK and US culture?

Hu-whahh? Being sober has a cultural appeal?

Now, see, here is that whole hundred-year-hundred-mile thing coming into effect. Because my experience is a gazillion times different from that in California or Texas or anywhere really other than where I am, a suburb outside of a major, giant, city, full of bored people with too many videogames. We mock the sober. We attempt expert drum parts on "Rock Band" in some kid's basement while unable to count the number of god-awful vodka-and-other-thing-combinations/miserable 151 shots/beers/fancy small glasses of someone's mother's Portuguese wine we have downed. And we walk home on twisty, quiet streets, hoping we don't get squashed in half by a drunk driver-mother in an SUV.

My teenage america loves its drinks (and its pot as well, probably more than the Brits because...I don't know why? Why don't you seem to like pot as much, Brits?) and we love not being sober but the thing that we youths do not like is Bar Culture. Because it is simply too impossible for us. There's transport to, transport from (not to mention ID anxiety--those lovely peers of mine who were also born in '90 know that it is a date practically impossible to chalk into anything else) and worries of being hit on by stupid blotto accountants and also The Law. So we don't, in that weird way, "grow up" with Bar Culture. Perhaps you should have asked your Californians if they wanted to hit a liquor store and grab a bottle and chill? But then again, that is silly.

Also, Mata, you are talking about silly TV like those moralizing "teen dramas" or Lifetime movies or anything else. We are a little slow over here in the States, but we are aware that not a passing whiff of hard cider does not an alcoholic make. In fact, us in the subculture, non-religious-right, baby-killin', degree-totin' Liberal North--we like alcohol a lot precisely because it has that whole goofy myth around it. It helps us think of other ways to make fun of the South.


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- Wookiee   Goths "more likely to self-harm".   Apr 14 2006, 01:10 PM
- - Felander   QUOTE (Wookiee @ Apr 14 2006, 02:10 PM)This i...   Apr 14 2006, 01:45 PM
- - pgrmdave   I think it's interesting that it's so much...   Apr 14 2006, 03:40 PM
- - I_am_the_best   I think it may just be people wanting to fit into ...   Apr 14 2006, 06:27 PM
|- - Novander   New Scientist took a slightly different approach t...   Apr 14 2006, 09:38 PM
- - candice   QUOTE Only 25 participants felt strongly associate...   Apr 15 2006, 01:42 AM
- - pgrmdave   The person who did the actual research did make me...   Apr 15 2006, 02:29 AM
- - candice   Yes, I know it was mentioned by the person who did...   Apr 15 2006, 02:45 AM
- - pgrmdave   What bothers me most about it is that the entire a...   Apr 15 2006, 02:51 AM
- - trunks_girl26   Well, the title is mainly used to draw people in t...   Apr 15 2006, 06:38 AM
- - Astarael   The misleading statistics (and title) are definite...   Apr 16 2006, 03:18 PM
|- - Wookiee   QUOTE (Astarael @ Apr 16 2006, 04:18 PM)The m...   Apr 17 2006, 11:14 PM
- - devils_daughter   I'm pretty sure if you interveiwed 1,258 teens...   Apr 16 2006, 09:56 PM
- - gothictheysay   Yeah, devils_daughter, but you can't know for ...   Apr 18 2006, 12:21 AM
|- - devils_daughter   QUOTE (gothictheysay @ Apr 17 2006, 07:21 PM)...   Apr 18 2006, 09:24 PM
- - candice   No, it isn't "the only way we'll know...   Apr 19 2006, 12:59 AM
- - pgrmdave   Maybe someone here could do a simple, informal stu...   Apr 19 2006, 01:22 PM
- - Astarael   That would be interesting, but you'd have to g...   Apr 19 2006, 08:36 PM
- - pgrmdave   Well, my thinking was to find a few different goth...   Apr 19 2006, 08:43 PM
- - candice   No, you wouldn't know that the original findin...   Apr 19 2006, 09:36 PM
- - pgrmdave   I know there are many more factors, but I wasn...   Apr 19 2006, 10:45 PM
- - devils_daughter   You could try making it a poll on Matazone? That w...   Apr 20 2006, 08:07 PM
- - pgrmdave   Ah - but we don't want a simple poll, because ...   Apr 20 2006, 10:19 PM
|- - devils_daughter   QUOTE (pgrmdave @ Apr 20 2006, 06:19 PM) ...   Apr 21 2006, 12:00 PM
|- - Sir_Psycho_Sexy   QUOTE (devils_daughter @ Apr 21 2006, 01...   Apr 21 2006, 04:23 PM
- - crazymat   what if they consider themselves goth, but have no...   Apr 21 2006, 12:49 PM
- - devils_daughter   Okay, so we could get into greater detail..like.....   Apr 21 2006, 01:01 PM
- - devils_daughter   ^ Then what would the point of the poll be? If onl...   Apr 21 2006, 06:38 PM
|- - candice   QUOTE (devils_daughter @ Apr 21 2006, 11...   Apr 21 2006, 06:48 PM
||- - devils_daughter   QUOTE (candice @ Apr 21 2006, 02:48 PM) Q...   Apr 21 2006, 06:59 PM
|- - Daria   QUOTE (devils_daughter @ Apr 21 2006, 07...   Apr 23 2006, 01:40 PM
- - gothictheysay   There really is no way that this can be done accur...   Apr 21 2006, 06:54 PM
- - candice   QUOTE (devils_daughter @ Apr 21 2006, 11...   Apr 21 2006, 07:30 PM
|- - devils_daughter   QUOTE (candice @ Apr 21 2006, 03:30 PM) Q...   Apr 21 2006, 07:47 PM
- - devils_daughter   ^ *notices how confusing this could really be*..uh...   Apr 23 2006, 06:35 PM
- - Museum Girl   QUOTE (candice @ Apr 15 2006, 02:42 AM) Q...   Apr 24 2006, 07:25 PM
|- - elphaba2   QUOTE (Museum Girl @ Apr 24 2006, 03:25 P...   Apr 25 2006, 08:24 PM
- - deepest cut gets a fiver   You see the problem is when yer walking down the s...   Jan 7 2008, 10:02 AM
- - Daria   Interesting first post. Welcome to Matazone... I g...   Jan 7 2008, 10:50 AM
- - Mata   Ah, so what you're saying Deepest, is that the...   Jan 7 2008, 01:00 PM
- - voices_in_my_head   Hmm. That's a pretty interesting thought, ther...   Jan 8 2008, 12:31 AM
- - Daria   It totally made sense. What's more, it backs u...   Jan 8 2008, 01:01 AM
- - Mata   So as the backlash against goth and emo we're ...   Jan 8 2008, 03:07 AM
|- - Daria   QUOTE (Mata @ Jan 8 2008, 03:07 AM) So as...   Jan 8 2008, 03:58 AM
|- - elphaba2   QUOTE (Mata @ Jan 7 2008, 10:07 PM) Now, ...   Jan 9 2008, 12:52 AM
- - voices_in_my_head   It really depends on where you go - Southern state...   Jan 8 2008, 03:52 AM
- - voices_in_my_head   Like I said, I have a feeling that it varies from ...   Jan 8 2008, 10:22 PM
|- - Daria   QUOTE (voices_in_my_head @ Jan 8 2008, 10...   Jan 8 2008, 11:17 PM
- - Mata   Just quickly (because I really should go to bed at...   Jan 9 2008, 05:14 AM
|- - Daria   QUOTE (and its pot as well, probably more than the...   Jan 9 2008, 10:43 AM
- - Mata   Don't forget mushrooms - the recreational drug...   Jan 12 2008, 03:06 AM
|- - Daria   QUOTE (Mata @ Jan 12 2008, 03:06 AM) Don...   Jan 13 2008, 03:01 PM
- - {Gothic Angel}   QUOTE (Wookiee @ Apr 17 2006, 11:14 PM) I...   Jan 14 2008, 07:02 PM


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