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Daria
post Mar 7 2007, 11:31 AM
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In Germany, there is currently a legal battle being undergone by a brother and sister who have had four children together- three of which have been put into foster care. The brother is 30 and the sister is 22 (I have just re-read the article and noticed that they "fell in love" when they first met in 2000. She would have only been 15.. hmm...) and only "met" because he was adopted by another family when he was a child.
QUOTE (Patrick)
Many people see it as a crime, but we've done nothing wrong...
We are like normal lovers. We want to have a family. Our whole family broke apart when we were younger, and after that happened, Susan and I were brought closer together


Incest is a criminal offence in Germany due to a law est. 1871. Patrick has already served a two-year sentence for committing incest and has "another jail term looming if paragraph 173 of the legal code is not overturned".

So should it be legalised? Should brothers and sisters be allowed to have children with one another? As the article points out, children of incestuous couples are far more likely to be disabled and in this family's case, their eldest child has epilepsy and learning difficulties ("but he was born two months premature"), and their other daughter has special needs.
QUOTE (Patrick)
People have said that our children are disabled, but that is wrong. They are not disabled


But is that really a good enough reason to prevent brothers and sisters having kids? People who have CF, Muscular Distrophy and other hereditary diseases still have children and there is no law preventing them from doing so. I know it sort of reduces the possibility of genetic variation, but seeing as humans have evolved to the point where they have all sorts of technical advances to help them survive to childbearing age, regardless of any diseases or disabilities they may have, should it even be an issue?

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post Mar 7 2007, 01:58 PM
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Personally, I think that if that's what people want to do, then they aren't hurting anyone else, good luck to them.

As for the children, if they know what they are doing, and are prepared to care for and raise their child, regardless of any disability or not, then I see no problem with it.

This does not, of course, provide for accidental pregnancies, but, to be honest, I wouldn't see it as any different to any other accidental pregnancy. The decisions that the prospective parents make with regards to keeping/aborting/putting up for adoption shouldn't be changed because it has a higher probability of disability, and even if they knew it was going to be disabled, unless they were actually incapable of caring for it, then they should do the same as they would any child.

So yeah, legalise it by all means.


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- Daria   Incest   Mar 7 2007, 11:31 AM
- - Izzy   No, it shouldn't. Even if the kids wouldn...   Mar 7 2007, 12:31 PM
- - crazymat   I think it should be legal. Don't see any reas...   Mar 7 2007, 01:54 PM
- - CheeseMoose   Personally, I think that if that's what people...   Mar 7 2007, 01:58 PM
- - pgrmdave   I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be...   Mar 7 2007, 02:11 PM
- - Snugglebum the Destroyer   I actually find the idea of legalising incest dist...   Mar 7 2007, 04:48 PM
- - Forever Unknown   Ditto. Not to mention that laws are there to prese...   Mar 7 2007, 04:58 PM
|- - crazymat   QUOTE (Forever Unknown @ Mar 7 2007, 04:5...   Mar 7 2007, 06:36 PM
- - pgrmdave   I read somewhere (I'm going to look for it now...   Mar 7 2007, 06:12 PM
- - pgrmdave   Well, so far I've only found this: http://pedi...   Mar 7 2007, 06:26 PM
- - Snugglebum the Destroyer   My concern is twofold. I agree that it would da...   Mar 7 2007, 07:42 PM
- - Daria   Example- Incest is legal in France. Do all French...   Mar 7 2007, 07:47 PM
- - Witless   Someone poked me earlier into making a post in thi...   Mar 7 2007, 08:11 PM
- - Wookiee   This is where inbreeding gets you. Also, beware...   Mar 7 2007, 09:15 PM
- - Tarantio   So inbreeding gets you put in charge of a country ...   Mar 7 2007, 09:53 PM
|- - Wookiee   QUOTE (Tarantio @ Mar 7 2007, 09:53 PM) S...   Mar 7 2007, 11:11 PM
- - Snugglebum the Destroyer   I can't help but feel that there is a general ...   Mar 7 2007, 10:22 PM
|- - Daria   QUOTE (Snugglebum the Destroyer @ Mar 7 2007,...   Mar 9 2007, 01:23 PM
- - Snugglebum the Destroyer   The extra thumb is the new middle finger. The old...   Mar 7 2007, 11:17 PM
- - Tarantio   Lmfao. I am sad to report that it was surgically r...   Mar 7 2007, 11:39 PM
- - Izzy   I actually just thought of something. If an incest...   Mar 7 2007, 11:53 PM
|- - Wookiee   QUOTE (Izzy @ Mar 7 2007, 11:53 PM) I ac...   Mar 7 2007, 11:57 PM
|- - Izzy   QUOTE (Wookiee @ Mar 7 2007, 06:57 PM) QU...   Mar 8 2007, 12:04 AM
- - Snugglebum the Destroyer   Your argument is technically right. I'm not s...   Mar 8 2007, 12:06 AM
- - gothictheysay   Like stated before, I don't think enough peopl...   Mar 8 2007, 01:16 AM
|- - Pixiegoth   QUOTE (gothictheysay @ Mar 8 2007, 02:16 ...   May 6 2007, 01:08 PM
- - elphaba2   A good friend of mine has a grandmother who was bo...   Mar 8 2007, 02:58 AM
- - trunks_girl26   QUOTE (Izzy @ Mar 7 2007, 06:53 PM) I ac...   Mar 8 2007, 03:42 AM
- - crazymat   How would legalising incest make sexual abuse any ...   Mar 8 2007, 09:29 AM
|- - candice   QUOTE (crazymat @ Mar 8 2007, 09:29 AM) H...   Mar 8 2007, 11:01 AM
- - CheeseMoose   My gut instinct on this would be to legalise it, b...   Mar 8 2007, 06:45 PM
- - Secretkeeper   I knew how I felt morally... against it, but I did...   Mar 8 2007, 06:48 PM
- - crazymat   QUOTE (candice @ Mar 8 2007, 11:01 AM) QU...   Mar 8 2007, 06:54 PM
|- - Secretkeeper   QUOTE (crazymat @ Mar 8 2007, 06:54 PM) Q...   Mar 8 2007, 07:31 PM
- - pgrmdave   Let's say that we made incest legal, does that...   Mar 8 2007, 08:06 PM
|- - Secretkeeper   QUOTE (pgrmdave @ Mar 8 2007, 08:06 PM) L...   Mar 8 2007, 08:46 PM
- - Snugglebum the Destroyer   QUOTE Snugs, is the parent-child thing what's ...   Mar 8 2007, 10:08 PM
|- - candice   QUOTE (Snugglebum the Destroyer @ Mar 8 2007,...   Mar 9 2007, 04:27 PM
- - crazymat   QUOTE (Secretkeeper @ Mar 8 2007, 07:31 P...   Mar 9 2007, 05:10 PM
- - Daria   Cand, do you call Ste, Ste? I can't Monty Stev...   Mar 9 2007, 05:15 PM
|- - candice   QUOTE (Daria @ Mar 9 2007, 05:15 PM) Cand...   Mar 9 2007, 06:03 PM
- - Snugglebum the Destroyer   CODE"it seems a bit weird to involve the law i...   Mar 9 2007, 09:08 PM
- - Forever Unknown   QUOTE (Snugglebum the Destroyer @ Mar 9 2007,...   Mar 10 2007, 02:12 AM
- - Secretkeeper   Being redundant... do a google on "human inbr...   Mar 10 2007, 04:45 AM
- - Wytukaze   I've been avoiding joining in this discussion ...   Mar 10 2007, 11:27 AM
- - gothictheysay   Hey, Wytu, can we say "creatures unable to ex...   Mar 10 2007, 10:22 PM
|- - Wytukaze   QUOTE (gothictheysay @ Mar 10 2007, 10:22...   Mar 17 2007, 08:39 PM
- - Tru Courage   well well this is one strange topic o.O but anywho...   Mar 12 2007, 11:24 PM
- - Rykan   Personally, I find the thought gorss beyond belief...   Mar 16 2007, 04:01 PM
- - Witless   When I think of prison, and being in court. I thin...   Mar 20 2007, 01:19 PM
- - Snugglebum the Destroyer   Veering the conversation in a different direction ...   Mar 20 2007, 09:50 PM
- - Daria   In Germany, incest is illegal (hence the thread)- ...   Mar 21 2007, 11:14 AM
|- - Rykan   QUOTE (Daria @ Mar 21 2007, 11:14 AM) In ...   Mar 21 2007, 03:51 PM
- - elphaba2   "Normal kid, you stay here. We're taking ...   Mar 29 2007, 08:38 PM
- - hinsley   lol! i think incest is gross and wrong but ...   Apr 24 2007, 01:22 PM
- - -The Duchess-   i don't think it should be legalised, if the c...   May 5 2007, 08:48 PM
- - pgrmdave   If I remember correctly, I have read that there is...   May 7 2007, 07:34 PM
- - trunks_girl26   QUOTE (pgrmdave @ May 7 2007, 03:34 PM) I...   May 7 2007, 08:38 PM
- - Daria   The Piraha tribe in the Amazon only have words for...   May 8 2007, 12:45 AM
- - Witless   QUOTE (pgrmdave @ May 7 2007, 08:34 PM) I...   May 8 2007, 07:18 AM
- - trunks_girl26   QUOTE (Witless @ May 8 2007, 03:18 AM) QU...   May 9 2007, 04:36 PM
- - mx_wilde   [font=Times New Roman][size=7] I do not belive ...   Aug 14 2007, 01:39 PM
|- - Izzy   QUOTE (mx_wilde @ Aug 14 2007, 08:39 AM) ...   Aug 14 2007, 03:30 PM
|- - mx_wilde   QUOTE (Izzy @ Aug 14 2007, 04:30 PM) QUOT...   Aug 16 2007, 09:10 AM
- - candice   Huh. Well there's an interesting first post. ...   Aug 14 2007, 03:45 PM
- - Izzy   Patrick was 30 and Susan was 22.   Aug 14 2007, 03:52 PM
- - {Gothic Angel}   QUOTE (Snugglebum the Destroyer @ Mar 7 2007,...   Aug 16 2007, 10:20 AM
|- - mx_wilde   Thank you all for your replies, subject closed Mx...   Aug 17 2007, 05:46 AM
- - Forever Unknown   ... Whut?   Aug 17 2007, 10:05 AM
- - Izzy   Forget to type something there MX?   Aug 17 2007, 02:46 PM
- - Downsman55   New to this site and have skimmed through this pos...   Sep 23 2007, 07:05 AM
|- - CheeseMoose   QUOTE (Downsman55 @ Sep 23 2007, 08:05 AM...   Sep 23 2007, 11:49 AM
- - Mata   There is the legal issue - despite the children-is...   Sep 23 2007, 05:13 PM
- - IrishGuy   I was at my Greatgrandma's 90th birthday party...   Sep 23 2007, 05:30 PM
- - Daria   Yep, Mata, incest is still illegal.   Sep 23 2007, 09:47 PM
- - -TheKasbah-   I think that it should stay illegal, I'm not j...   Sep 25 2007, 12:49 PM
- - Jim   QUOTE (Daria @ Mar 7 2007, 12:31 PM) ...   Sep 25 2007, 12:53 PM
- - Mata   I'm sure that there have been cases of childre...   Sep 26 2007, 08:25 AM
- - mummalovr   Hi i just joined up. [edited] ...   Nov 11 2007, 12:08 PM
- - Mata   Sorry Mummalovr, but what you wrote there, if take...   Nov 11 2007, 03:56 PM
- - Yannick   Not to completely resurrect a long-dead thread, bu...   Apr 9 2009, 09:14 AM
- - leopold   Necropost! I'd not seen this one first ti...   Apr 9 2009, 01:51 PM
|- - Yannick   QUOTE (leopold @ Apr 9 2009, 09:51 AM) Bu...   Apr 9 2009, 02:18 PM
- - candice   Reading back over the thread, I find myself noddin...   Apr 9 2009, 03:08 PM
- - CheeseMoose   Re-read the thread as I couldn't really rememb...   Apr 9 2009, 04:00 PM
- - Yannick   Umm, I think it was just me getting older, and rea...   Apr 9 2009, 05:01 PM
- - elphaba2   I actually doubt incestuous couples would be likel...   Apr 9 2009, 08:11 PM
- - crazymat   I disagree with everybody! QUOTE (leopold ...   Apr 9 2009, 08:12 PM
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- - candice   QUOTE (Yannick @ Apr 9 2009, 06:01 PM) As...   Apr 9 2009, 10:15 PM
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- - Aislinn Faye   Maybe drugs should be treated like guns. If you m...   Apr 19 2009, 05:59 AM
- - Yannick   Why are drugs illegal in the first place? That...   Apr 19 2009, 02:53 PM
- - leopold   QUOTE (Yannick @ Apr 9 2009, 03:18 PM) QU...   Apr 21 2009, 11:47 AM
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|- - leopold   QUOTE (crazymat @ Apr 21 2009, 09:28 PM) ...   Apr 22 2009, 10:15 AM
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