Mar 7 2007, 11:31 AM
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In Germany, there is currently a legal battle being undergone by a brother and sister who have had four children together- three of which have been put into foster care. The brother is 30 and the sister is 22 (I have just re-read the article and noticed that they "fell in love" when they first met in 2000. She would have only been 15.. hmm...) and only "met" because he was adopted by another family when he was a child.
QUOTE (Patrick) Many people see it as a crime, but we've done nothing wrong... We are like normal lovers. We want to have a family. Our whole family broke apart when we were younger, and after that happened, Susan and I were brought closer together Incest is a criminal offence in Germany due to a law est. 1871. Patrick has already served a two-year sentence for committing incest and has "another jail term looming if paragraph 173 of the legal code is not overturned". So should it be legalised? Should brothers and sisters be allowed to have children with one another? As the article points out, children of incestuous couples are far more likely to be disabled and in this family's case, their eldest child has epilepsy and learning difficulties ("but he was born two months premature"), and their other daughter has special needs. QUOTE (Patrick) People have said that our children are disabled, but that is wrong. They are not disabled But is that really a good enough reason to prevent brothers and sisters having kids? People who have CF, Muscular Distrophy and other hereditary diseases still have children and there is no law preventing them from doing so. I know it sort of reduces the possibility of genetic variation, but seeing as humans have evolved to the point where they have all sorts of technical advances to help them survive to childbearing age, regardless of any diseases or disabilities they may have, should it even be an issue? Thoughts, people. -------------------- We are unraveling our navels so that we may ingest the sun. DARIA IZ GOOD ON TOAST TOAST IZ GOOD ON DARIA |
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Mar 8 2007, 09:29 AM
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How would legalising incest make sexual abuse any more acceptable? Taking that argument one step further you could just ban sex altogether, so people have no excuses for rape?
I understand why people find it so disgusting and wrong in some cases, like between parents and children, but the people in the article didn't even know each other as kids, so their relationship is just like any other - I don't see whats wrong with it. -------------------- Kung fu fighting from 25th April 2010
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Mar 8 2007, 11:01 AM
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![]() Candbrush Threepwood ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Established Members Posts: 5,391 Joined: 28-May 03 From: Derby Member No.: 345 Gender: Female |
How would legalising incest make sexual abuse any more acceptable? Taking that argument one step further you could just ban sex altogether, so people have no excuses for rape? I don't think you can really make that leap and say that banning incest because of abuse is like banning sex because of rape. Like elphaba mentioned, 75% of women who have been abused were abused by a family member...but I sincerely doubt that even close to that percentage of sexually active women have been raped. That's not "one" step further, it's more like 293483243 steps. I have been unsure how I feel on this issue. My gut instinct is "it should be illegal," which honestly does make me wonder if I'm less openminded than I thought. If I am, so be it, I guess. None of the arguments here have managed to convince me that incest should be legal. What Snugglebum and Elphaba have said makes the most sense to me, really. -------------------- I love you in a way that is mystical and eternal and illegal in 20 states.
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Daria Incest Mar 7 2007, 11:31 AM
Izzy No, it shouldn't. Even if the kids wouldn... Mar 7 2007, 12:31 PM
crazymat I think it should be legal. Don't see any reas... Mar 7 2007, 01:54 PM
CheeseMoose Personally, I think that if that's what people... Mar 7 2007, 01:58 PM
pgrmdave I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be... Mar 7 2007, 02:11 PM
Snugglebum the Destroyer I actually find the idea of legalising incest dist... Mar 7 2007, 04:48 PM
Forever Unknown Ditto. Not to mention that laws are there to prese... Mar 7 2007, 04:58 PM
crazymat QUOTE (Forever Unknown @ Mar 7 2007, 04:5... Mar 7 2007, 06:36 PM
pgrmdave I read somewhere (I'm going to look for it now... Mar 7 2007, 06:12 PM
pgrmdave Well, so far I've only found this:
http://pedi... Mar 7 2007, 06:26 PM
Snugglebum the Destroyer My concern is twofold.
I agree that it would da... Mar 7 2007, 07:42 PM
Daria Example- Incest is legal in France.
Do all French... Mar 7 2007, 07:47 PM
Witless Someone poked me earlier into making a post in thi... Mar 7 2007, 08:11 PM
Wookiee This is where inbreeding gets you.
Also, beware... Mar 7 2007, 09:15 PM
Tarantio So inbreeding gets you put in charge of a country ... Mar 7 2007, 09:53 PM
Wookiee QUOTE (Tarantio @ Mar 7 2007, 09:53 PM) S... Mar 7 2007, 11:11 PM
Snugglebum the Destroyer I can't help but feel that there is a general ... Mar 7 2007, 10:22 PM
Daria QUOTE (Snugglebum the Destroyer @ Mar 7 2007,... Mar 9 2007, 01:23 PM
Snugglebum the Destroyer The extra thumb is the new middle finger.
The old... Mar 7 2007, 11:17 PM
Tarantio Lmfao. I am sad to report that it was surgically r... Mar 7 2007, 11:39 PM
Izzy I actually just thought of something. If an incest... Mar 7 2007, 11:53 PM
Wookiee QUOTE (Izzy @ Mar 7 2007, 11:53 PM) I ac... Mar 7 2007, 11:57 PM
Izzy QUOTE (Wookiee @ Mar 7 2007, 06:57 PM) QU... Mar 8 2007, 12:04 AM
Snugglebum the Destroyer Your argument is technically right. I'm not s... Mar 8 2007, 12:06 AM
gothictheysay Like stated before, I don't think enough peopl... Mar 8 2007, 01:16 AM
Pixiegoth QUOTE (gothictheysay @ Mar 8 2007, 02:16 ... May 6 2007, 01:08 PM
elphaba2 A good friend of mine has a grandmother who was bo... Mar 8 2007, 02:58 AM
trunks_girl26 QUOTE (Izzy @ Mar 7 2007, 06:53 PM) I ac... Mar 8 2007, 03:42 AM
CheeseMoose My gut instinct on this would be to legalise it, b... Mar 8 2007, 06:45 PM
Secretkeeper I knew how I felt morally... against it, but I did... Mar 8 2007, 06:48 PM
crazymat QUOTE (candice @ Mar 8 2007, 11:01 AM) QU... Mar 8 2007, 06:54 PM
Secretkeeper QUOTE (crazymat @ Mar 8 2007, 06:54 PM) Q... Mar 8 2007, 07:31 PM
pgrmdave Let's say that we made incest legal, does that... Mar 8 2007, 08:06 PM
Secretkeeper QUOTE (pgrmdave @ Mar 8 2007, 08:06 PM) L... Mar 8 2007, 08:46 PM
Snugglebum the Destroyer QUOTE Snugs, is the parent-child thing what's ... Mar 8 2007, 10:08 PM
candice QUOTE (Snugglebum the Destroyer @ Mar 8 2007,... Mar 9 2007, 04:27 PM
crazymat QUOTE (Secretkeeper @ Mar 8 2007, 07:31 P... Mar 9 2007, 05:10 PM
Daria Cand, do you call Ste, Ste? I can't Monty Stev... Mar 9 2007, 05:15 PM
candice QUOTE (Daria @ Mar 9 2007, 05:15 PM) Cand... Mar 9 2007, 06:03 PM
Snugglebum the Destroyer CODE"it seems a bit weird to involve the law i... Mar 9 2007, 09:08 PM
Forever Unknown QUOTE (Snugglebum the Destroyer @ Mar 9 2007,... Mar 10 2007, 02:12 AM
Secretkeeper Being redundant... do a google on "human inbr... Mar 10 2007, 04:45 AM
Wytukaze I've been avoiding joining in this discussion ... Mar 10 2007, 11:27 AM
gothictheysay Hey, Wytu, can we say "creatures unable to ex... Mar 10 2007, 10:22 PM
Wytukaze QUOTE (gothictheysay @ Mar 10 2007, 10:22... Mar 17 2007, 08:39 PM
Tru Courage well well this is one strange topic o.O but anywho... Mar 12 2007, 11:24 PM
Rykan Personally, I find the thought gorss beyond belief... Mar 16 2007, 04:01 PM
Witless When I think of prison, and being in court. I thin... Mar 20 2007, 01:19 PM
Snugglebum the Destroyer Veering the conversation in a different direction ... Mar 20 2007, 09:50 PM
Daria In Germany, incest is illegal (hence the thread)- ... Mar 21 2007, 11:14 AM
Rykan QUOTE (Daria @ Mar 21 2007, 11:14 AM) In ... Mar 21 2007, 03:51 PM
elphaba2 "Normal kid, you stay here. We're taking ... Mar 29 2007, 08:38 PM
hinsley lol!
i think incest is gross and wrong but ... Apr 24 2007, 01:22 PM
-The Duchess- i don't think it should be legalised, if the c... May 5 2007, 08:48 PM
pgrmdave If I remember correctly, I have read that there is... May 7 2007, 07:34 PM
trunks_girl26 QUOTE (pgrmdave @ May 7 2007, 03:34 PM) I... May 7 2007, 08:38 PM
Daria The Piraha tribe in the Amazon only have words for... May 8 2007, 12:45 AM
Witless QUOTE (pgrmdave @ May 7 2007, 08:34 PM) I... May 8 2007, 07:18 AM
trunks_girl26 QUOTE (Witless @ May 8 2007, 03:18 AM) QU... May 9 2007, 04:36 PM
mx_wilde [font=Times New Roman][size=7]
I do not belive ... Aug 14 2007, 01:39 PM
Izzy QUOTE (mx_wilde @ Aug 14 2007, 08:39 AM) ... Aug 14 2007, 03:30 PM
mx_wilde QUOTE (Izzy @ Aug 14 2007, 04:30 PM) QUOT... Aug 16 2007, 09:10 AM
candice Huh. Well there's an interesting first post. ... Aug 14 2007, 03:45 PM
Izzy Patrick was 30 and Susan was 22. Aug 14 2007, 03:52 PM
{Gothic Angel} QUOTE (Snugglebum the Destroyer @ Mar 7 2007,... Aug 16 2007, 10:20 AM
mx_wilde Thank you all for your replies, subject closed
Mx... Aug 17 2007, 05:46 AM
Forever Unknown ... Whut? Aug 17 2007, 10:05 AM
Izzy Forget to type something there MX? Aug 17 2007, 02:46 PM
Downsman55 New to this site and have skimmed through this pos... Sep 23 2007, 07:05 AM
CheeseMoose QUOTE (Downsman55 @ Sep 23 2007, 08:05 AM... Sep 23 2007, 11:49 AM
Mata There is the legal issue - despite the children-is... Sep 23 2007, 05:13 PM
IrishGuy I was at my Greatgrandma's 90th birthday party... Sep 23 2007, 05:30 PM
Daria Yep, Mata, incest is still illegal. Sep 23 2007, 09:47 PM
-TheKasbah- I think that it should stay illegal, I'm not j... Sep 25 2007, 12:49 PM
Jim QUOTE (Daria @ Mar 7 2007, 12:31 PM) ... Sep 25 2007, 12:53 PM
Mata I'm sure that there have been cases of childre... Sep 26 2007, 08:25 AM
mummalovr Hi i just joined up.
[edited]
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Mata Sorry Mummalovr, but what you wrote there, if take... Nov 11 2007, 03:56 PM
Yannick Not to completely resurrect a long-dead thread, bu... Apr 9 2009, 09:14 AM
leopold Necropost!
I'd not seen this one first ti... Apr 9 2009, 01:51 PM
Yannick QUOTE (leopold @ Apr 9 2009, 09:51 AM) Bu... Apr 9 2009, 02:18 PM
candice Reading back over the thread, I find myself noddin... Apr 9 2009, 03:08 PM
CheeseMoose Re-read the thread as I couldn't really rememb... Apr 9 2009, 04:00 PM
Yannick Umm, I think it was just me getting older, and rea... Apr 9 2009, 05:01 PM
elphaba2 I actually doubt incestuous couples would be likel... Apr 9 2009, 08:11 PM
crazymat I disagree with everybody!
QUOTE (leopold ... Apr 9 2009, 08:12 PM
Yannick QUOTE (crazymat @ Apr 9 2009, 04:12 PM) Q... Apr 10 2009, 01:24 PM
candice QUOTE (Yannick @ Apr 9 2009, 06:01 PM) As... Apr 9 2009, 10:15 PM
Daria Well, I'm all for full-frontal nudity.
I al... Apr 10 2009, 08:29 AM
Daria I think it would be better to keep the current sta... Apr 11 2009, 03:25 PM
Aislinn Faye Maybe drugs should be treated like guns. If you m... Apr 19 2009, 05:59 AM
Yannick Why are drugs illegal in the first place? That... Apr 19 2009, 02:53 PM
leopold QUOTE (Yannick @ Apr 9 2009, 03:18 PM) QU... Apr 21 2009, 11:47 AM
crazymat QUOTE (leopold @ Apr 21 2009, 12:47 PM) Q... Apr 21 2009, 08:28 PM
leopold QUOTE (crazymat @ Apr 21 2009, 09:28 PM) ... Apr 22 2009, 10:15 AM
Yannick You make a strong point Leo, but I think everyone ... Apr 22 2009, 12:11 PM
leopold QUOTE (Yannick @ Apr 22 2009, 01:11 PM) ]... Apr 22 2009, 01:31 PM
Yannick QUOTE (Yannick @ Apr 22 2009, 01:11 PM) I... Apr 22 2009, 08:06 PM![]() ![]() |
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