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post Nov 4 2008, 01:39 PM
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For goodness sake, make sure you vote!

And I'll go out on a limb and say that you should vote for Obama. McCain is a big bunch of crowd pleasing quotes without a real sense of policy behind him (I'm the opposite of Bush! But I'm not!), and Palin is just about the scariest thing to happen to presidential politics in a long time. Please, we really don't want a fundamentalist Christian being only one heart-attack away from leading the world's second-or-third most powerful nation. (After China and possibly India.)

I'm a bit worried. In the UK every vote counts for the candidates, but the US system of having a barely populated state have the same weight in elections as somewhere like New York feels very wrong to me. I understand the history of it, but it still seems stupid.

Anyway, I'm really hoping that all those people who said they would vote for Obama really do go out and do it... I'm just scared that they won't.


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post Nov 4 2008, 02:26 PM
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Hello everyone. I vaguely have internet. I plan on staying up watching this election unfold through the medium of bbc news and was wondering if anyone else will be in irc at ungodly o' clock? That's assuming I make it in there, of course, I'm on a friend's laptop at the moment and thus don't really want to install anything on here, so I'll need to find a browser based way to enter.

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post Nov 4 2008, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE (Mata @ Nov 4 2008, 01:39 PM) *
I'm a bit worried. In the UK every vote counts for the candidates, but the US system of having a barely populated state have the same weight in elections as somewhere like New York feels very wrong to me. I understand the history of it, but it still seems stupid.


I thought they were weighted? Like some states get more college votes than others, depending on population. I'm not totally sure about that, but I do know that the states all have different number of votes in the college system, so it would suggest some weighting.

EDIT: After some brief research, I've found that this is broadly true. Each state has the same number of electors as it does Senators + Representatives. The number of senators and representatives is based roughly on the proportion of the US population that resides in that state, updated every 10 years (last updated in 2003). This means that for example New York has 31 electoral votes, whereas Montana has 3.

I might be online later Nov, depends what time it goes on til, as I'll probably be out from about 8pm-3am or so.


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post Nov 4 2008, 05:36 PM
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Yes. The Electoral College. I just came back from voting and I too plan on watching the coverage on BBCA tonight. Hurrah!
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post Nov 4 2008, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE (Mata @ Nov 4 2008, 01:39 PM) *
I'm a bit worried. In the UK every vote counts for the candidates, but the US system of having a barely populated state have the same weight in elections as somewhere like New York feels very wrong to me.

Sparsely populated states have fewer electoral votes, as Cheesemoose mentioned. The minimum is 3, I believe. Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Idaho, and both of the Dakotas have 30 all together. New York has 31. I wouldn't say that each state is given equal weight at all. It is unbalanced, though, since it's based on population but no state can have fewer than 3 votes. New York's population is 19,297,729, while the combined populations of those six states is just 7,061,637.

The electoral college has its problems, but the vast majority of the time the electoral vote matches up with the popular vote. The only years that a candidate won the popular vote but lost the election were 1876, 1888, and of course, 2000 (which was the first election I voted in). The chances are pretty slim that either candidate will lose the popular vote but still get elected. I'd like to say don't worry, but I'm pretty nervous about this election myself!

I am staying up all night to watch the coverage. I'll probably be on IRC until silly o'clock. I cast my own (obviously absentee) ballot for Obama weeks ago. This is the third presidential election since I've been eligible to vote, and it is about freaking time that a decent candidate wins.


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post Nov 4 2008, 08:03 PM
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Obama all the way.

We just spent all of Language Arts getting our teacher off-topic and talking about this. About the electoral college thing, I think some states (like Florida?) are all or nothing? Obama had 4/5 of the votes at our school election. We think anyway - the principle screwed up the amount of votes we had in 8th grade, so she very well might have screwed up the whole school..


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post Nov 4 2008, 08:14 PM
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We did a mock-vote at my high school during the last election--Kerry won 70-30. I'm not allowing myself to think about last election though.

VOTE! VOTE! VOTE IF YOU CAN!! Vote in the place of my roommate who's two weeks too young, because there are buses of mentally retarded Kansasans that the Republican groups in Topeka will drive to polling places, for somebody who can actually DO something to make this flailing country better, because for the first time in a long time you see the difference voting can make.

Waugh, obama. I'm gettin the Election Night Jitters. Definitely excited to stay up until 4 doing linguistics/midterm-studying/biting fingernails off.


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post Nov 4 2008, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE (elphaba2 @ Nov 4 2008, 05:14 PM) *
We did a mock-vote at my high school during the last election--Kerry won 70-30. I'm not allowing myself to think about last election though.

I remember that one too! And the one I voted in in Kindergarten. Bush won both, and I started crying in Kindergarten, because everyone knows blue pwns red. And Bush looked old on the picture he had on his box, and I didn't want our country to have a President that died. sad.gif

Kerry succccccked.

Obama better win. I get the feeling either might die if elected, and Biden > Palin so much. Palin's just... horrible.


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post Nov 4 2008, 09:13 PM
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We did a mock election at school. Obama won, 79.4%.

I know nothing about politics and would only vote Obama because I wouldn't want a woman running a country (just my opinion....)


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post Nov 4 2008, 10:56 PM
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QUOTE (I_am_the_best @ Nov 4 2008, 10:13 PM) *
We did a mock election at school. Obama won, 79.4%.

I know nothing about politics and would only vote Obama because I wouldn't want a woman running a country (just my opinion....)


Very weird stance to take, but *shrug*.

I will be up and in IRC for a while, (but I have lessons in the morning. Maybe I can nap tomorrow? >_>) and will be backing Obama, if only because America needs a non-republican president.

Edit- actually, no. I'm not just going to leave it. I really and truly can't believe that you said you wouldn't want a woman running a country. Please, for the love of feminism, tell me why the hell you think that a woman should not run a country?


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post Nov 4 2008, 11:10 PM
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QUOTE (I_am_the_best @ Nov 4 2008, 09:13 PM) *
I know nothing about politics and would only vote Obama because I wouldn't want a woman running a country (just my opinion....)

I'm sorry, but that is absurd.

I wouldn't want Sarah Palin running a country (she is out of her depth and does not belong in politics on a national level), but any woman? Seriously?! Genitalia does not determine leadership ability.

It makes me really sad to think that you genuinely believe that. Do you actually think of yourself as being inferior to men?


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They just called it.....Obama won!


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post Nov 5 2008, 04:37 AM
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post Nov 5 2008, 08:19 AM
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Thank goodness for that. That's some good news today.

I'm also interested in why IATB wouldn't want a female president. I personally thought Palin was an extremely dangerous person to put in any position of power, but we had a female Prime Minister in this country for over a decade and she didn't do a worse job than anyone else.


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So, so excited to wake up and find Obama won XD


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post Nov 5 2008, 10:53 AM
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He's got a huge set of problems to face, but he's also got the good will of almost everyone in the world behind him, so that will make life a lot easier. There's a definite sense of Kennedy about him. I really hope it doesn't end the same way.


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I heard the news about this this morning. I always hoped that Obama would get in. He just seems a much better choice, on paper and in reality. McCain just wasn't going to cut it. I always saw him as a bit of a Neil Kinnock, all show and no go.

Here's hoping he takes the USA into a new and better place than it's been left in by Dubya.


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Haha, 19 votes Obama, 0 McCain on this. Obama killed.

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QUOTE (Mata @ Nov 5 2008, 08:19 AM) *
we had a female Prime Minister in this country for over a decade and she didn't do a worse job than anyone else.


*cough* Really? You reckon? True, there have been worse, but still...

Of course, Maggie's example shouldn't mean that female leaders are a de facto bad idea.

On the original topic, Obama's win makes my face do smiley things. Puts my natural pessimism in its place - I'll own up as one of the two on the poll that reckoned McCain would get in.


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post Nov 5 2008, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE (Mata @ Nov 5 2008, 05:53 AM) *
He's got a huge set of problems to face, but he's also got the good will of almost everyone in the world behind him, so that will make life a lot easier. There's a definite sense of Kennedy about him. I really hope it doesn't end the same way.


I've always said that he won't be assassinated because he's too important to the country. We need to improve the world's opinion of the US and Obama is the perfect person to help do that.

But that's just my opinion.
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How many neo-nazis do you think paused in their raging and thought to themselves, 'Hey, he'll really improve our world view!'

That said, I'm really happy. And..in disbelief. While everyone's happy McCain didn't win, I thought he had a very good, very humble concession speech. His crowd could have stfu'd for a few minutes, but the speech itself was excellent.


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Good on Obama. smile.gif

Well obviously there are exceptions to the rule, but my (insignificant) opinion is that women don't make as good leaders because often they have a lot of 'want', and are quite manipulative and needy and are a lot less noble than men. Myself included. But! It's only my opinion, and yes I am aware that there are some really great women out there too.


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post Nov 5 2008, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE (I_am_the_best @ Nov 5 2008, 11:53 AM) *
Good on Obama. smile.gif

Well obviously there are exceptions to the rule, but my (insignificant) opinion is that women don't make as good leaders because often they have a lot of 'want', and are quite manipulative and needy and are a lot less noble than men. Myself included. But! It's only my opinion, and yes I am aware that there are some really great women out there too.


I don't think your opinion is insignificant at all - but I do have to wonder how you can generalize an entire gender. Haven't you ever met a manipulative man that isn't noble?

for instance - witless, being male, posted this link to irc to try and cause chaos. noble? it seems very..manipulative, purely for his own entertainment!

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