Revised Pledge of Allegiance Options

[Yannick]

This is what my friends and I do in our spare time..

I'm personally trying to get this bull removed from our schools, by whatever means possible. Written by my friend Chris and I.

I pledge no allegiance to the flag of the Divided States of Embarrassment, and to the religion that stole the nation, 300 million people, under Fox News, with intolerance and bigotry for all.

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http://the-fragged-mind.blogspot.com/2009/...allegiance.html

[CrazyFooIAintGet...]

*shrugs* Pep rallies can come next if I feel like it? Honestly, I just thought about that today. Pep rallies only influence people beliefs to the point of "Oh, hey, my football team is going to beat your football team, in your face, hahaha". But yeah, they're a total waste of time, though I think the pledge is a bit more important right now?

You seem to have missed the point of that question. Your major argument for whining about the pledge instead of simply sitting down and not saying it was that it is a waste of your time - so are a lot of things, and you obviously have no interest in going after any of those other activities or points of downtime in your day. That nullifies your argument as something that you threw up there as a non-religion related reason. Why you're so desperate to act as though your anti-pledge feelings aren't rooted in religion is beyond me, because you make it so obvious that it is all by yourself.

Presumably those other things either a) have a good reason for being in schools or b ) are more difficult to change. It doesn't nullify the argument. That's a bit like saying that it is hypocritical to help homeless people without first solving world hunger... it shouldn't be the relative importance of the issue that matters, but whether it is important enough to act on and whether you can actually make a difference.

Your other issue had to do with pledging to this country, right? Since..it isn't religion? So, only the 'best country' can have a pledge? If any other country even vaguely shows some kind of pride, they are HORRIBLE PEOPLE, right? Your argument makes no sense. We've gone over how it isn't anywhere near the top of the list of time wasters, we've acknowledged that every country has a right to like and take pride in itself, as only one can be 'the best' and it's clearly a matter of opinion, and the rest is your issue with a God. So, I take that back, if anyone else made the same argument you personally are making, I'd think it was just as much of a mess as I do right now.

It has nothing to do with the country. To me the pledge seems silly and outdated. While I am proud of many things my country does, it is just that, a country, and there is no way I value it more than my own life and the people around me, so to pledge allegiance to my country (or any country) would be entirely meaningless.

My feelings on this are pretty much the same as the prayer in schools thing (sorry to bring this back to religion again). Yeah, you don't have to actually say it, (although you are probably expected to) but you are still participating just by being there, and there is no reason for it to be in schools.

*Side note* Izzy and Syuu, I think you should both reconsider the tone of your posts if you are going to continue discussing this. I am sensing a lot of hostility in this thread.