Revised Pledge of Allegiance Options

[Yannick]

This is what my friends and I do in our spare time..

I'm personally trying to get this bull removed from our schools, by whatever means possible. Written by my friend Chris and I.

I pledge no allegiance to the flag of the Divided States of Embarrassment, and to the religion that stole the nation, 300 million people, under Fox News, with intolerance and bigotry for all.

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http://the-fragged-mind.blogspot.com/2009/...allegiance.html

[Pikasyuu]

My statement that it nullifies the argument has to do with my theory that the actual reason for Izzy being against the pledge does not have to do with it being a waste of time, because it isn't. Give me examples of what else you would do with that time and how that time would benefit you otherwise, I'll concede. Personally? I don't think ten seconds of extra learning time is important enough to kick and scream over, but that's me. I'm curious to see whether what Izzy does does make a difference, and if it does, I will applaud her for doing something constructive that she believes in. Your comparison does have a point, but like I said..saying that those ten seconds every day is important to you and that it is one of your primary reasons for going after the pledge seems flimsy at best, and I don't buy it.

It has nothing to do with the country. To me the pledge seems silly and outdated. While I am proud of many things my country does, it is just that, a country, and there is no way I value it more than my own life and the people around me, so to pledge allegiance to my country (or any country) would be entirely meaningless.

My feelings on this are pretty much the same as the prayer in schools thing (sorry to bring this back to religion again). Yeah, you don't have to actually say it, (although you are probably expected to) but you are still participating just by being there, and there is no reason for it to be in schools.

I agree that the pledge is silly and outdated, and I've stated in this thread that I couldn't care less about it being removed from schools. My issue, again, is with Izzy's argument surrounding her reasoning.

I don't feel a lot of hostility, personally. We've debated like this and carried on normal conversations two seconds later - at the end of the day, her telling me I can't follow her logic really doesn't bother me, and so responding in kind isn't something I feel should bother her. But for the sake of your comfort, sure. It's just difficult to have to continually repeat the same point.

[Yannick]

I don't feel a lot of hostility, personally. We've debated like this and carried on normal conversations two seconds later - at the end of the day, her telling me I can't follow her logic really doesn't bother me, and so responding in kind isn't something I feel should bother her. But for the sake of your comfort, sure. It's just difficult to have to continually repeat the same point.

Yeah, what she said.

*edit* Aww, this forum doesn't do that cool thing anymore where when you post multiple times in a row, it just combines it into one awesome post.