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Sarah the Spider
post Sep 24 2003, 10:36 PM
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Will this be blatant and unnecessary? Yes.

Will Sarah do it anyway? Yes.


Alright, now that we have that cleared up...
The past month or two, more and more people have been leaving. Not just n00bs or occassional posters, but members who have been around a while and who have meant a lot to us. I know there are lots of individual goodbye threads, but I just had this urge to point out how sad it is. Crazi, Debaser, Elf, just to name a few. sad.gif The forums really have changed since it began. Before it was a small, happy community where everyone was fine with everyone and we had lots of fun discussions...but there is so much tension now, and I can't figure out exactly why, or how it started. All I know is that it seems to be making people go away. Even I find myself posting less and less, even though I'm probably never going to really leave this place. I don't know if this is the sort of thread you guys want to reply to...I just had to let that out. This place is so great, and I love it more than I probably should...but I am having concerns about it...and the people who are/aren't around.

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post Sep 24 2003, 10:39 PM
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I don't really have a lot to say about this at the moment... (sorry, but I have a lot on my mind right now). But, I just wanted to say that I understand what you mean....
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post Sep 24 2003, 10:42 PM
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i know exactly how you feel sarah. i miss the old forums, i really do. i miss everyone who was from there who is gone now. and i know what you mean about not posting much. i mean, i'm here much less, but i post much much less than i'm here. it's just getting to the point where i just don't feel like saying anything, except for a few threads which stand out to me. i won't leave. i CAN'T leave. even though this place is so different with the permanent absense of so many of my forumite friends and the semi-absense of so many others (including me), i still would never ever leave. i hope someday those that have left will come back
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post Sep 24 2003, 11:08 PM
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Debaser didn't leave, Sarah. He's been here nearly every day, hadn't you noticed him?

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post Sep 24 2003, 11:39 PM
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I know what you mean, to an extent. I've been here a grand total of 26 days, but I'm not a n00b to other message boards. Occasionally, I've been one of the oldbies leaving.

When a message board gets bigger, there are more contrasting opinions. This naturally creates a sort of tension, like Sarah was describing. The n00bs don't notice it (indeed, I haven't, here), but the oldbies know the difference. Hence, it becomes gradually less fun, and they leave.

It's sad, and I'm sorry it's happening to the Matazone forums.


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post Sep 24 2003, 11:41 PM
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Sarah - w3rd.

This is the same thing I kept foreseeing, over which I threw my various tantrums in the past few months.

We just outgrew ourselves, is all - it's a lot easier to keep close tabs on 35 frequent posters than it is 100+.

The chats are headed the same direction, too - although both IRC and Yahoo once held their respective regulars and general tones/themes, neither seem too much like their old selves.

Just sigh and acknowledge that the old order is gone, and this is the way it is now. You'll be happier long-term that way.
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post Sep 25 2003, 04:45 AM
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I know what you mean, Sarah.

Although...I'm not an oldbie. Not really. I've only been here since May. But, that's longer than the average forumite nowadays, I think.

I love meeting new people. That's why I always try to welcome every noob who posts an intro thread. It's just really hard to make new friends when those I have grown really close to are either leaving or at least coming around a lot less. I just...don't feel like it, I suppose. Maybe I need time to heal or something, I don't know.

It does makes me feel bad, because the noobs didn't do anything to warrant me being unfriendly....they just walked into a forum and introduced themselves.


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post Sep 25 2003, 05:45 AM
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i understand that.... but lets face it, we couldnt expect the forums to stay the same forever, right? as with life, things change, and we must deal with it one way or another, so is the forum, there are a few options that people can take, leave, or stay . many have decided to stay and make friends, and adapt to the new environment, and as before mentioned, a few have left, for one reason or another.

i know the original joys of the forums of the yesterday, i remember how great it was, and i remember just how friendly the forums were. but there seemed to be a flood of newcomers, and it was hard to get to know them all as fast as they were coming. and the forums became rather cliquey. the flood of newcomers seemed to fan the flames of the cliqueyness.

in short, the forums have changed. it wont be the way it was in the days of old. i no longer come here to post, i come here because i have friends here. i dont know how much longer i can feel a part of this community as i once did, but i know its not forever.


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post Sep 25 2003, 05:58 AM
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Well, I've only been on the forums for two months, so I don't know what the old forums were like, but I love these ones. Everyone grouses about what the good old days were like and how these young upstart newbies have ruined everything, but face it - Matazone is popular. A lot of people are going to come here. It's not always going to be an elite, insular few of you dominating.
And as for people leaving - some of my favourite forumites, like Debaser and elf, have gone, and that's sad, because I really like having them around. But if they have to go, then they have to go.


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post Sep 25 2003, 06:16 AM
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QUOTE (CommieBastard @ Sep 24 2003, 10:07 PM)
And as for people leaving - some of my favourite forumites, like Debaser and elf, have gone, and that's sad, because I really like having them around. But if they have to go, then they have to go.

Definitely. Whatever is best for them is what they should do, and I wouldn't want them staying here if it's making them unhappy. But, it still makes me sad because I'll miss them a lot, and that affects my attitude and how I connect with new people. Does that make sense?

But...I still do like meeting new people, and I don't want to see hordes of them leaving, either. I don't want anything to return to a former state, because that would mean losing quite a few good people who have joined since then.

But, like I said...I'm not an oldbie. I guess I'm a middlebie, or something.


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post Sep 25 2003, 07:33 AM
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Many of the people leaving Matazone are going for personal reasons. Lets face it, these forums attract a very special breed of deviants and radicals... This is a time when that sort of people are going to have a hard time getting by. It's sad but it's the truth. I love you all and your wierd ways but matazone is losing members because of outside influences, not a changing climate within this forum. It's still the second best forum on the net (after FF wink.gif ) and a place that I'll always visit even when I'm busy.

Yeah, so if the quality of this board slips, it's because people are leaving, but it's not actually the cause of people leaving.



As a forum junky, let me just say this: All forums at one stage or another start pineing for the old days, it's called retrospect... and it makes everything look better than it was.


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post Sep 25 2003, 08:35 AM
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QUOTE (cheese is funny @ Sep 25 2003, 05:54 AM)
but lets face it, we couldnt expect the forums to stay the same forever, right? as with life, things change

I agree completely with Cheese on this one. Of course things change, and because of outside pressures I left for a bit. But when I did leave, I missed this place and most of those in it so much that I came back. And I think that, in the end, most of those that will leave will come back to post occasionally anyway. There is something special about Matazone, and it's you guys that make it that way smile.gif


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post Sep 25 2003, 08:37 AM
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I'm with Cheese on the point that every forum naturally changes as it grows and that's just one thing that we all have to get used to. Certainly there will always be the problem that new people come in and can cause trouble by acting in ways that are not suitable but these people usually either discover that this is not the place for them or learn new ways to communicate.

As for cliqueyness. With a place like this it will always be inevitable to a degree purely because there are some very strong friendships here and people will always favour the posts of their friends. That's not really a clique, it's just friends talking. You don't walk into a bar and expect everyone to wave at you but I always encourage these forums to be more like a bar that you can walk into and say 'hey, I'm new in town but I'd like to get to know you' and there will be lots of people replying. The type of friendships that externally look like cliques take a while to form. In six months people will be saying the same thing about the groups of friends from people who are joining now.


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post Sep 26 2003, 02:27 PM
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Personally I think this forum is great! It's much better than the other forums I've been on. People come and go but what makes this place so cool is that when people do go they are waved off and wished luck. When they come back they are welcomed with open arms, the odd sarcy comments and the occasional choccie biccie! tongue.gif

I'm sorry I don't share some peoples pessimism about the board and the 'good old days' but then I've only been around since June.

Life changes, things change and inevitably this board will too so don't worry, be happy! biggrin.gif


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post Sep 26 2003, 05:30 PM
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I'm feeling poetic, so here's a haiku I wrote about this issue.

People come and go,
Forums evolve, grow and change.
The cookie crumbles.


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post Sep 26 2003, 06:22 PM
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It's strange isn't it?
Just when I thought I was getting to know people, a whole new influx of immigrants arrive, and I feel disjointed and uninterested. Of course, this is rubbish; I have a harem after all, and an e-wife, and a number of fairly popular threads to my name. I intend to try and post more regularly this weekend.
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post Sep 26 2003, 06:25 PM
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Speaking of e-wives and hubbies, I've noticed that forum marriages have gone down a great deal. Has anyone else gotten that?

Those things used to bloody rock. I had an awesome time at both of mine, loved attending my friends', and I just get the feeling that e-marriages can really bring friends and all who attend together. May sound corny, but I really think we need to refresh this forum with some more of those e-weddings, you know, when everyone can attend and just take into the joy and merriment of drag weddings, pirate weddings, typo weddings.

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post Sep 26 2003, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE (syuu @ Sep 26 2003, 12:34 PM)
Speaking of e-wives and hubbies, I've noticed that forum marriages have gone down a great deal. Has anyone else gotten that?

Those things used to bloody rock. I had an awesome time at both of mine, loved attending my friends', and I just get the feeling that e-marriages can really bring friends and all who attend together. May sound corny, but I really think we need to refresh this forum with some more of those e-weddings, you know, when everyone can attend and just take into the joy and merriment of drag weddings, pirate weddings, typo weddings.

Fun stuff, kids. Fun stuff.

? *question*

There's probably a thread lurking somewhere that contains the answer to this, but since syuu brought it up...what is the deal with the Never Getting Married Club...ish...thing? The one LoLo made...


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post Sep 26 2003, 09:01 PM
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I'll give Lo this - That woman has self control. Everyone has proposed to her.

Twice.


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post Sep 26 2003, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE (syuu @ Sep 26 2003, 09:10 PM)
I'll give Lo this - That woman has self control. Everyone has proposed to her.

Twice.

i havn't... heey, maybe i should try, i might get lucky tongue.gif


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post Sep 26 2003, 09:16 PM
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You know, I was never here for the small, close-knit community I've been hearing so much about. However, I really wish I could have been. Now, there are all these people... who like to confuse me... and all these inside jokes I don't understand... I think that I could have been very... accepted... if I had come early on, but now, I feel like I'm lurking on the outside, the way I always have. I think that the early forums sound great. I miss them, even though I've never been in them.


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post Sep 26 2003, 09:24 PM
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Sweet child, we must diversify!
Seek out small, elitist communes throughout the internet, and then join! Join like ne'er afore!
Of course, all communities will grow, and eventually you will be forced to move on. Such is the way of the internet, alas.
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post Sep 26 2003, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE (Monkey the Rabid Red Rabbit @ Sep 26 2003, 03:25 PM)
You know, I was never here for the small, close-knit community I've been hearing so much about. However, I really wish I could have been. Now, there are all these people... who like to confuse me... and all these inside jokes I don't understand... I think that I could have been very... accepted... if I had come early on, but now, I feel like I'm lurking on the outside, the way I always have. I think that the early forums sound great. I miss them, even though I've never been in them.

See, I don't think that's what I really meant to convey. I know it looks that way, though; it looks as if I am pining for the small, close-knit community with only so many members and for all the "newer" people to go...but it's not the number of people, it's the attitude of the people. Does that make sense? It seems that people aren't getting along as well as once was true. That is due to the large number of people, no doubt. I'm not sure...I just...it's...ack...I like the "newer" members, they are so cool! So fun! I don't want to sound elitist, because all the different new people make this place interesting...but just not always so harmonious...oh I don't know anymore...

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post Sep 26 2003, 10:59 PM
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Well I took one heck of a gander through this thread. I really really did.

Juice made a good point about the climate vs the reali life. It is not the climate that has changed it's how life can be so busy busy busy! Trust me I understand completely. Of course there are other issues like ignorance, barring, unable to have a computer that sort of thing. I can agree that I miss the people who ZI used to see so much on here...heck I think I am considered a veteran...but I have seen the uber craziness here. The fire has not died, it has just been put to dormancy with many thigns that popup out of nowhere in our lives.

All I know is this place has a wide variety of people who go to it, and that we know to respect one another and vise versa. Mata is right about the whole friendship thing. It isn't really a clique system its more along of lines of seeing your friends online system =P

Just my advice to everyone is if things change further, just roll with it...it might not be so bad afterall.


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