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post Dec 2 2003, 11:46 AM
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Just wonderinh how many Goths are on this site, as almost every profile I've read has the word goth or a very goth sounding user ID.


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post Dec 2 2003, 11:51 AM
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post Dec 2 2003, 11:57 AM
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nah, not me, though i do like the style. i just go with whatever style i feel like. for instance, i now have a beard. i also had my hair vertical for a while, and in a wolverine-style part too. as for clothes... well i usually just put on whatever is in reach in the morning. which is almost always jeans and a t-shirt (plain green, brown, black or with the Generation Terrorist logo). i really dont care how i look at all, which is handy sinse almost every day is a bad hair day for me...


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I'm not goth but people seem to think I am. I'm a complete and total t-shirts and jeans, no make up wearing, hair gets dried by the car vents type of girl. Looking goth requires much more effort on the behalf of my appearance than I am willing to put into it. Still so many people seem to feel that I am a goth girl, simply because I wear a lot of dark clothes, and I'm pierced, and I have tatoos, and I wear a lot of rings.


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post Dec 2 2003, 12:57 PM
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I used to get called 'goth' at Uni all the time. I wore a lot of black, make-up and listened to metal music. Apparently to those ignorant people out there that means I'm a goth. I also hung out with a cute little goth called Christine and that might have helped 'label' me.

I like HIM and Type O Negative but I guess that's about as goth as I get biggrin.gif

I have two tattoos and 1 piercing and that's fairly alternative in the crowd I hang with so I guess that's why they seem to label me that way now.

I suppose it's better than being called sad! laugh.gif


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post Dec 2 2003, 02:07 PM
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No, I can wear a lot of black at time though. However, that's just because I'm horrible at putting together matching outfits. If it's all black, it all matches.


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post Dec 2 2003, 02:23 PM
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goth? me? no way! the whole dressing up and putting on make-up and trying to style the hair is just waaaay too much hastle for me. i'd rather stay in bed for the extra hour or so thate it takes to do all that stuff! biggrin.gif


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post Dec 2 2003, 05:09 PM
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QUOTE (Pixiegoth @ Dec 2 2003, 05:06 AM)
I used to get called 'goth' at Uni all the time.  I wore a lot of black, make-up and listened to metal music.  Apparently to those ignorant people out there that means I'm a goth.  I also hung out with a cute little goth called Christine and that might have helped 'label' me.

I like HIM and Type O Negative but I guess that's about as goth as I get biggrin.gif

I have two tattoos and 1 piercing and that's fairly alternative in the crowd I hang with so I guess that's why they seem to label me that way now.

I suppose it's better than being called sad! laugh.gif

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anyway, people think i'm goth... maybe because i wear all black sometimes... like now ^^; i'm not one, though... nobody at my school is...


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post Dec 2 2003, 05:11 PM
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hmm....no, i wear dar colours generally (but not always) but not really much black....mostly blue, in fact i hate not wearing blue jeans....feels so unnatural they also have to be flares....not baggies FLARES!! (and because i get it a lot flares are not girls trousers!!), and trainers are a must....comfy...and not white....


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post Dec 2 2003, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE (Sir_Psycho_Sexy @ Dec 2 2003, 05:20 PM)
what the f*** have i just written?!

some very interesting bits about flares not being girls trousers.


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post Dec 2 2003, 05:23 PM
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LOL I am definitely not a goth. And I have never been called one. laugh.gif That would be pretty crazy if somebody did.... LOL
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i nulled...I may wear black all the time and alot of black makeup...(those of you who have seen my webcam know exacly what i'm talking about) and I like my spiked dog coller...but then again...I hvae to ask what is goth?

ok here's some of the discriptions I've heard

(1) You are an atheist, you like to drink, smoke, do drugs, and fight alot
(this was told to me bye Mysti...the girl that thinks I'm trying to be a "goth" when I'm not and wants to beat the hell out of me...)

(2) Goth in its simplest form, is a subculture. A group of people who feel comfortable within each others company. There is no specific thing that defines what you need to do or be to fit into the goth scene (except of course the implied black clothing). People in the goth scene all have different musical tastes, follow different religions, have different occupations, hobbies, and fashion sense.
Most goths become goths because they have been spurned by 'normal' society because the way they want to live their lives does not fit in with how most people are told to live theirs. Goths are free thinkers, people who do not accept the moral rules of society because they're told 'This is just how it is' or 'This is what God says!'. Rather goths tend to listen to what you have to say, and make up their own mind. This kind of free thinking and rejection of dogma earns only rejection in todays society.
However because of this rejection from 'normal' society, goths have banded together to associate with other free thinkers. This has a beneficial effect on both the individual and society as a whole. For the individual they have a sense of belonging, and friends they can associate with. For society it removes one more misfit filled with rage from society's streets.
This of course is not the case for all goths. Many goths today are goths for a variety of other reasons. They like the music, or the clubs are better, they have goth friends and joined in with them, or they just like staying up late nights and goths are the only ones awake to talk to.

(3) It is basically indefinable, because "Goth" means different things to each follower. Many adopt unusual fashions in order to separate themselves from other youth. Gordon A. Crews, associate dean of the School of Justice Studies at Roger Williams University in Bristol, CT is an investigator of what he calls the "occult" which-- in his opinion -- includes the Goth culture. He said: "It is up to the individual to define what Goth is for themselves ... The mentality is, 'I want to be left alone but I want to be seen. I want to see the shock on other peoples' faces." 16

Some factors that are commonly observed are:

Its unique music, art and literature.
The use of extreme black clothing, light colored makeup, unusual hair styles, body piercing, bondage items, etc.
A fascination with medieval, Victorian and Edwardian history.
Wearing of symbols such as a Christian cross; an Egyptian ankh or "Eye of Ra," or "Eye of Horus;" a Wiccan pentacle, a Satanic inverted pentacle. etc. 14
Goths tend to be non-violent, pacifistic, passive, and tolerant. Many in the media have mistakenly associated Goth with extreme violence and hatred of minorities, white supremacy, etc.
Many Goths write about being depressed. Followers seem sullen and withdrawn, when in public. They are often much more "happy and carefree in the company of [other] Goths." 1 Examples of depression are: Go Goth! writes: "Life is essentially meaningless, and suffering is the natural condition of living things. There is no hope." 11
"Tigriss," commenting on her own life, writes: "So my gothic persona fit me quite well. My black clothing and dark music aptly reflected my own depression, pain, and anger which was what I made most of my life about. Most of my goth friends had dysfunctional families and troubled childhoods as mine. We could identify with each other through our dark make-up and painful pasts." 12
Researcher Jasin Tamlin comments: "If you take a look at the 640 sites that are listed on the Gothic Web Ring, you will find many of them filled with desperation, depression, anger, hatred, despair and angst." 13

"A lot of people turn to the Gothic subculture after having a hard time in school, feeling alienated, and looking for a way to express themselves that mirrors those feelings. Others find the scene through literature, still others want to be shocking, and some people just find black clothing slimming." 1
Goth music often deals with thought-provoking topics, concentrating on societal evils, like racism, war, hatred of groups, etc. They tend to concentrate on the very "nasty, unhappy" topics that "North American culture" wants to "ignore and forget."
A fascination with death. They try "to find a different way of thinking about life, like trying to find beauty in life, pain and death. It's all a quest for immortality." 2
Some Goths enjoy playing role playing games. However, RPGs are not an integral component of Goth culture. It is just that those intellectual and creative challenges that draw them to the Goth scene make them more likely to enjoy RPGs as well.
Other interests: writings by authors like Dante, Byron, Tolstoy; German Expressionist silent films; writing music; painting, etc.


now note these are just a few I've heard...so in answer to am I goth? I have to say by going by number 2 yes...if by going by number 1 and 3...No...at my school I'm a poser...among friends I'm a god...among other I dont exists...so I find this hard for me to answer...


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post Dec 2 2003, 05:40 PM
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Being a goth sounds too complicated. I'll just stick witht the jeans and t shirts for now. biggrin.gif


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post Dec 2 2003, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE (elf @ Dec 2 2003, 05:18 PM)
<-- me <3s teh negative types XD;

Sorry elf but was that good or bad!? laugh.gif I'm a bit of a technoretard sad.gif I haven't listened to them since about 1996 but I still like the cheesy lyrics of My Girlfriend's Girlfriend wink.gif


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post Dec 2 2003, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE (CrissiLove @ Dec 2 2003, 05:32 PM)
LOL I am definitely not a goth. And I have never been called one. laugh.gif That would be pretty crazy if somebody did.... LOL

you're a goth. no, wait, let me do that again...

YOU'RE A GOTH.

there, that fits his mentality better. though its still a joke, i guess...


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I've never been called a goth. I get called ''Hippy'' a lot, but I dunno why. dry.gif

There's no point anyway in being a goth. Be a ''you'' instead. I figured that out a while ago, it's much easier than thinking ''OMG IM NOT A GOTH IF I DONT WEAR THIS''....
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well...I listen to a lot of Goth music *notes Cure avatar* and read a lot of Goth literature. But am I a goth? Methinks not...Red is my favourite colour, and I like pink too!!! But hey, some of the descriptions given can work for being a punk also...

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I'm what is commonly known as a sad old Goth this is not a derrogatry(sp?) term cause I personaly have lots of. What it means is I've been through the ansty faze (not that I ever was very) and am still a Goth. I dont bother with the make up that much these days but the general concept is so ingrained that it's part of who I am. It's not a case of being a goth any more it's that I am a Goth. laugh.gif


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post Dec 2 2003, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE (Pixiegoth @ Dec 2 2003, 10:00 AM)
QUOTE (elf @ Dec 2 2003, 05:18 PM)
<-- me <3s teh negative types XD;

Sorry elf but was that good or bad!? laugh.gif I'm a bit of a technoretard sad.gif I haven't listened to them since about 1996 but I still like the cheesy lyrics of My Girlfriend's Girlfriend wink.gif

I don't get what you mean? Teh negative types is just a sorta nickname for Type O Negative... or at least my nickname... heh?


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QUOTE (Edward_lover1200 @ Dec 2 2003, 11:45 AM)
(1) You are an atheist, you like to drink, smoke, do drugs, and fight alot.

That one is definately wrong. You can be of any religion...or none. Drink/smoke/drugs. Ha. That's the stereotype. Everyone thinks goths are angry, violent Mansonites. No. I know many more "preps/normal" people that do that stuff. Being goth doesn't mean you do drugs or any of that stuff.

There's a bunch of crap between people now days on who's a "true" goth. I've seen an argument between two people on some site. They both said the other person was a "posuer" and that they, themselves, were in fact "goth". There's really no "true" definition of what it is. There are many "types" of goths...as far as labels, but that's really more of a joke. You can use the descriptions as how you dress (as I do as far as goth/prep/punk), but you can't say who's a true goth. The term was origionally used (aside from the art/architecture and Gothic tribe a long time ago)as a label for label the band "Bauhaus" in 1979. After that goth/punk became popular. The main labels of gothic fashion (they can have different titles) are:

Romance - Historical era clothing: rennaisance, edwardian, victorian, etc.
Punk - (obvious enough?)
Fetish - um...S&M...vinyl, PVC...whips... all that fun stuff. biggrin.gif

I think those would be the major types...there are many more like Lolita, military, t-shirts/jeans, kitty goth, vampire goth, etc. but you can kind of fit those into the above 3.

I've heard it said that goth is a way of life, being drawn to the darker side of life...that there's beauty in things like pain and death. Finding the light in the darkness and embracing it for all it's worth. Others say it's all about the expression of yourself, usually darker or more morbid than "normal" through poetry, music, art, etc.

Researcher Jasin Tamlin comments: "If you take a look at the 640 sites that are listed on the Gothic Web Ring, you will find many of them filled with desperation, depression, anger, hatred, despair and angst."
My reply: probably b/c of all the poseurs now that goth is becoming "trendy" almost... Many of those people think they're goth, but they're not.

"It is up to the individual to define what Goth is for themselves"
My reply: Basically, that's what I did...that's what I do with all my beliefs. You have to know all the different possibilities...the things people say...then decide... But there can't be a websters dictionary meaning for goth...well, not in this sense. If they were to do one within the next 10 years, they'd probably go with the stwereotype anyway...which is completely wrong. Goths aren't all hateful or suicidal or do drugs or worship the devil...anyone can do that. That's pretty much just like saying all "preps" are all Catholic. Too general of a statement. Everything else you said is true or mostly true.

Oh, as for me. I'd probably be considered goth. I don't wear all black all the time. I will about 1/2 of every week. Most of the tops I buy say funny stuff on them; I get whatever color it comes in if I want the shirt enough...I even have two pink ones. tongue.gif

I talk about it on my site under "goth" if you care to check it out. It works, but will be much better soon, since I've been working on it a lot.


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QUOTE (elf @ Dec 2 2003, 04:48 PM)
QUOTE (Pixiegoth @ Dec 2 2003, 10:00 AM)
QUOTE (elf @ Dec 2 2003, 05:18 PM)
<-- me <3s teh negative types XD;

Sorry elf but was that good or bad!? laugh.gif I'm a bit of a technoretard sad.gif I haven't listened to them since about 1996 but I still like the cheesy lyrics of My Girlfriend's Girlfriend wink.gif

I don't get what you mean? Teh negative types is just a sorta nickname for Type O Negative... or at least my nickname... heh?

I believe Pixie wasn't sure what the "<3s" was. It's a heart...with an "s" at the end...meaning "loves". happy.gif Try rereading the sentence. ...Or was Elf right about what you misunderstood, Pixie? huh.gif


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Get your mind out of the gutter, you're blocking my periscope!
Some mornings it's just not worth gnawing through the leather straps.
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but whips and chains excite me!
People say that everyone has a few skeletons in their closet, but I don't. Not yet anyway. The bodies are still decomposing.
We all enter this world in the same way: naked; screaming; soaked in blood. But if you live your life right, that kind of thing doesn't have to stop there!
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QUOTE (lygophilia @ Dec 2 2003, 04:16 PM)
QUOTE (Edward_lover1200 @ Dec 2 2003, 11:45 AM)
(1) You are an atheist, you like to drink, smoke, do drugs, and fight alot.

[SIZE=1]That one is definately wrong. You can be of any religion...or none. Drink/smoke/drugs. Ha. That's the stereotype. Everyone thinks goths are angry, violent Mansonites. No. I know many more "preps/normal" people that do that stuff. Being goth doesn't mean you do drugs or any of that stuff.


I agree with that for sure..as I said,..this is bye a girl at my school who wants to kill me...so yeah I couldn't agree more...


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im not goth. mainly cos 1) im not into conformity, and 2)my dad would kill me if i were. ive been called emo though. i think it looks...erm...not bad anyways. not my preference, i like being original. its workshirts with logos for me.


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(^.^ ) (='.'=) i would scream but my voice has been taken
(U U ) .(")_(") thus i write.
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post Dec 3 2003, 08:21 PM
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It's fashionable these days to deny one's gothness. Leading to a lot of "Oh, I dress all in black and wear eyeliner and obsess over Bauhaus and The Sisters of Mercy and go to goth clubs and drink snakebite and black and wear a silver cross and have a backpack shaped like a coffin and my boots add six inches to my height and are covered in unnecessary straps - and some people say I'm goth, but..."

Which annoys me. So yes. I'm a goth.


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