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post Apr 13 2004, 08:34 AM
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I had a fight with my brother the other day (like clock work) this time- about easter.

Since my mum died 5 years ago, he's been a atheist. Ever since i gave my life to christ on the 16/8/02 at 4:55pm (i wrote on the back of this leather band i wear all the time) hes been at me saying, whats the point? He let mum die etc. Well the other day, i came to the conclusion, (while he munched on my easter eggs- Not the problem) that if he didnt believe in God, or any Gods for that matter, why does he believe in easter etc?

Help!

Was i right to say that? What do you think?


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post Apr 13 2004, 08:43 AM
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I'm an Atheist, and I celebrate Easter. Not by thinking about Christ, but by eating lots of chocolate. That aspect of Easter, at least, is completely secularised. Remember also that it was originally a Pagan festival of spring, which they'd celebrate by eating a lot smile.gif Christmas and Easter weren't originally Christianity's festivals in the first place.


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post Apr 13 2004, 08:52 AM
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When I sit down to eat my Chrismas dinner I think not of Christ in a stable. I think fondly on the Pagan Midwinter Feast of old. Christianity likes stealing things and making them its own. It's all happened before, Christianity just bound it all together and did it the name of God instead. The Romans did the same thing in Britain, they saw that the natives worshipped a spirit of trees or some such and just linked that to the closest Roman God they could find and saw it as confirmation that thier Gods had been seen elsewhere. The Romans adapted alot from Greek polytheistic beliefs aswell...

I'll be quiet now, this is Daily Life after all, and its 9:56 AM


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post Apr 13 2004, 10:45 AM
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Easter, Christmas, etc. It's all commercialised now. I am an aethiest, and have had many discussions about the religious aspects of all 'special times' of the year. I celebrate these times, for the sake of my family, and the atmosphere. My family are majority christian, so I would rather celebrate, and not argue about who is right or wrong, on a subject that no-one can prove one way or the other. I like the presents at Christmas, and the chocolate at Easter, but that is all it is to me.
You have a point in what you said to your brother, Smee, but in the end is it the commercial side he believes in, or does he have faith, but is in denial because of past events? Either of these would be fine but I think the question this brings up is, does it matter what anyone believes in, or is it just that they believe in whatever they perceive to be the truth?


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post Apr 13 2004, 11:54 AM
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Easter, Christmas, etc. It's all commercialised now. I am an aethiest, and have had many discussions about the religious aspects of all 'special times' of the year. I celebrate these times, for the sake of my family, and the atmosphere. My family are majority christian, so I would rather celebrate, and not argue about who is right or wrong, on a subject that no-one can prove one way or the other. I like the presents at Christmas, and the chocolate at Easter, but that is all it is to me.


I do the same thing. I wouldn't describe myself as an atheist, probably first as an agnostic. However, I came to this conclusion not so long ago, and if I didn't celebrate all the Jewish holidays with my family, goodness knows what would happen. I do it for the sake of the family - I feel terrible for your brother, though, and I sympathize with him. My mom's death was probably the origin of my doubts of religion. Arguing would be totally worthless - no one in my family is going to change their mind and they're not changing mine. I celebrate the holidays thinking of my ancestry, not my beliefs.

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You have a point in what you said to your brother, Smee, but in the end is it the commercial side he believes in, or does he have faith, but is in denial because of past events?


And that's what I think he has to figure out for himself, best way to go.

Nice post poppa.moo smile.gif You took almost everything I wanted to say.


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post Apr 13 2004, 02:29 PM
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Don't worry. It's okay to celebrate it in the chocolate sense, I guess he just doesn't wanna celebrate it in the religous factor. But I'm sure he didn't go all insane over what you said. Here. I have a leftover chocolate bunny. *hands you a bunny* laugh.gif


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post Apr 13 2004, 04:35 PM
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If you want a really fun, not necessarily religious, way to celebrate Easter, you can:
1. think of evil things to do to peeps (such as burn them over a bonfire, blow them up in the microwave, blow them up with bottle rockets, watch the dog tear them to peices, or dress them up like the pope)
2. decorate eggs in psychadelic colors
3. run around on a golf course at 1:00am on easter morning, leaving cryptic easter messages in the sand traps

That was the extent of my Easter festivities this year.


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post Apr 17 2004, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE (Thus Spoke Zarathustra @ Apr 13 2004, 08:51 AM)
When I sit down to eat my Chrismas dinner I think not of Christ in a stable. I think fondly on the Pagan Midwinter Feast of old. Daily Life after all, and its 9:56 AM

psssh, i know you better than that - you just think of eating as much as possible then playing with christmas "toys"


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post Apr 17 2004, 01:51 PM
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QUOTE (Non-Objective Portrait Of Karma @ Apr 17 2004, 01:37 PM)
QUOTE (Thus Spoke Zarathustra @ Apr 13 2004, 08:51 AM)
When I sit down to eat my Chrismas dinner I think not of Christ in a stable. I think fondly on the Pagan Midwinter Feast of old. Daily Life after all, and its 9:56 AM

psssh, i know you better than that - you just think of eating as much as possible then playing with christmas "toys"

Yeah. Yeah you're right


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post Apr 19 2004, 06:36 AM
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i was raised in an agnostic/atheist family, so during the holidays, religion never really entered into it. we celebrate holidays, 'cause who doesn't love a good feast?

do i feel that i'm some kind of hypocrite because i celebrate these days? absolutely not! just about every major holiday started as a festival to mark important parts of the year. while these celebrations would be dedicated to a god/goddess, these festivals rouse out of secular needs. in the middle of winter, you need a good party to shake the cabin fever, so you get christmas. in the spring, you celebrate that the bloody snow is gone, and you party before all the hard tilling and planting begins, hence the need for easter.

so in my family, we celebrate the holidays, we just kinda changed (or in some cases left out parts) of what the holiday is about.

so christmas is all about the spirit of giving and celebrating the joys of family and friends.
easter is about chocolate, yes, but also about taking pride in our families punning ability, problem solving skills, and trivia knowledge during the course of an easter egg hunt.

smee- if finding christianity has helped you in some way, then i am glad. but don't try to push it on your brother. religion isn't for everyone, and few converts are made through family squabbles.


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post Apr 20 2004, 06:29 AM
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Easter is a desperately needed spring long weekend. that's it's purpose. for me.


as for smee's query, about why does his brother believe in easter..

that's a bit confusing - are you saying your brother just takes the advantages of the easter season (chocolate) and thus he 'believes' in easter? .. / celebrates it..

or do you mean to say that he believes in the 'historical' events associated with the holiday.. does he believe a man named Jesus existed 2000 years ago but not in God?

I'm thinking you meant the first though, that all he believes in is free chocolate.. and if that's the case - chocolate really has nothing to do with the religous ideas behind easter. if this is all he gets out of the easter holiday, it's not contradictory for him to do so. you guys just gotta give each other some space on the subject.

- maybe it's hypocritical, but only if he is normally adamantly against anything born from religion. however he might just say that treating easter as he does, taking only the material advantage from it, doesn't harm any body else. but it ever slightly pushes easter further into commercialization

kinda cynical but true

-cm


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