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Dolty McDaft
post May 31 2004, 03:48 AM
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There is certainly something wrong with Alice from Alice in Wonderland. The caterpillar smokes a bong-like thing, and mushrooms make her taller or shorter. I've found all sorts of weird stuff like that.


What do you think is wrong with Alice? ph34r.gif cool.gif tongue.gif blink.gif


(And if you know of some other "harmless" characters that are questionable, tell about them too.)


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post May 31 2004, 05:06 AM
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Alice?...oh she got high durrin her studdys and went fer a walk in the woodes....but we dont know that........

theres alotta 'harmless' characters i have questions about...but i cant thinka any at the moment......but ill be back when i can come up with one...



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post May 31 2004, 05:07 AM
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Hmm... -=thinks back=- oh wow.. nothing to do with drugs or anything.. but have you ever seen err.. Dogma? It talks about how the elephant is eastern religions and whatnot and the carpenter (sp) is western religion. And if you follow the eastern one.. you'll get eaten by a giant walwrus (god >.< I cannot spell to save my life) or be damned to hell forever basically... something like that.


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post May 31 2004, 05:47 PM
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What about Mario from Nintendo? The mushroom makes you bigger!
Shoot the turtles! The flying things drop arrows! The stars make you indestructable!
Mario's on steroids! Ahhh!


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post May 31 2004, 07:56 PM
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Theres a PC game called "Alice" in which Alice is a teenger and has a ) gone very goth and b ) been sent to an asylum. She goes back to a very dark, evil wonderland and you play her and have to save it. It was rlly gd. My rents stopped me playing it cos it was a 15 and i was 12 biggrin.gif


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post May 31 2004, 07:59 PM
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Mario looks awfully like Stalin. Not only that, he dresses in red, and when you beat a level a flag with the green "peace" symbol goes down and is replaced by a flag with a red star.


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post Jun 1 2004, 01:22 AM
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I have read that book so many times and I love it. I can recite paragraphs. I'm not sure what was wrong with her, and I'm too tired to think of a conspiracy theory now...


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post Jun 1 2004, 01:48 AM
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Drugs. Plain and simple. Alice was high.


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post Jun 1 2004, 07:12 AM
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What's wrong with Alice? Well, the totally pragmatic person would tell you, read the end of the book, she was dreaming. But yeah....the Mad Hatter really creeped me out....those hatters, all high on mercury fumes from felt-making....and, well, Lewis Carroll was quite the guy himself, whether he was or was not into child porno.....
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post Jun 1 2004, 01:27 PM
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All the theories I've heard were that Lewis Carol was writing about one of his acid trips.

I just have to say that the best character out of the entire story is Tree # 5. Of course you don't get to see the amazing Tree # 5 in Disney's version of this because they cut out the whole jaberwalkie(sp?) scene! How could they have done that? I am enraged! lol

I don't know if this is the kind of disturbing that you were looking for for this thread, but have any of you seen the newest Peter Pan? The sexual tension between Peter and Wendy I found to be quite disturbing. I felt dirty like I was watching child porn or something when I finished with that movie.


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post Jun 1 2004, 03:18 PM
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post Jun 1 2004, 03:42 PM
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Lewis Caroll was pretty screwed up anyway though, I thought? He was like a mathematician or a scientist or something by a different name and used the name LC as a cover up so he could write about all the f***ed up ideas in his head without disgracing his scientific name.


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post Jun 1 2004, 03:43 PM
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The Chesire(sp?!) Cat is on something...

did you see his eyes! @_@ "course..he's mad too *giggling* or you could go thataway"


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post Jun 1 2004, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE ({Gothic Angel} @ May 31 2004, 07:55 PM)
Theres a PC game called "Alice" in which Alice is a teenger and has a ) gone very goth and b ) been sent to an asylum. She goes back to a very dark, evil wonderland and you play her and have to save it. It was rlly gd. My rents stopped me playing it cos it was a 15 and i was 12 biggrin.gif

Omg, I love American McGee's Alice... It is extremely morbid, but good, I suggest everyone to get it. I think I'm going to be her for Halloween.


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post Jun 1 2004, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE (LoLo @ Jun 1 2004, 08:26 AM)
I don't know if this is the kind of disturbing that you were looking for for this thread, but have any of you seen the newest Peter Pan? The sexual tension between Peter and Wendy I found to be quite disturbing. I felt dirty like I was watching child porn or something when I finished with that movie.

I haven't seen the new movie, but I read the book and I was like.... whoa. Some of that was pretty strange.


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post Jun 1 2004, 11:24 PM
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Jess, everyone knows that Alice is quite high in the head. . . three inches to be exact. . .

Mazle joined! WOOT!

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One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small,
And the ones that mother gives you
Don't do anything at all.
Go ask Alice
When she's ten feet tall.

And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know you're going to fall,
Tell 'em a hookah smoking caterpillar
Has given you the call.
Call Alice
When she was just small.

When the men on the chessboard
Get up and tell you where to go
And you've just had some kind of mushroom
And your mind is moving low.
Go ask Alice
I think she'll know.

When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead,
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's "off with her head!"
Remember what the dormouse said:
"Feed your head. Feed your head. Feed your head"
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post Jun 2 2004, 03:57 AM
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I have to say in the Matrix... the red pill is obviously some form of acid. The blue is merely a placebo. Makes sense doesnt it? tongue.gif


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post Jun 2 2004, 09:57 AM
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QUOTE (Aislinn Faye @ Jun 1 2004, 04:03 PM)
Omg, I love American McGee's Alice... It is extremely morbid, but good, I suggest everyone to get it. I think I'm going to be her for Halloween.

Wow that owns my halloween costume ohmy.gif Me+ my m8s are going to Fright night @chessington as a full on brothel lmao. Gothy cheerleaderness happy.gif


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post Jun 2 2004, 10:55 AM
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I did an essay on how screwed up Lewis Carrol was. He was a logician and he wrote Alice in Wonderland for an 11 year old girl whom he spent far too much time with. This was only the first very young girl that he spent alot of time with. There were others to follow, often he would take them to his house and they would stay with him alone for weeks on end. In addition to this we took nude photographs of the girls who stayed with him and often their sisters and friends. Although today he would have probably been sued back then people didn't think too much of it and parents willingly sent their children to stay with him because he was so respected.

Anywho, most of the things that confuse you in Alice in Wonderland probably have to do with one of two things:
1) He was a logician - ex: Why is a raven like a writing desk?
2) He was a pedophile - ex: Alice goes down the rabbit hole, rabbits being the ancient symbol of fertility, rabbit holes not actually existing and only a product of his mind, making the symbolism of sex or birth even stronger, the old word for rabbit being cuniculus where our word "lady part" comes from.

Even supposed drug references can probably be tied in with his pedophilia or other symbolism ex - one pill makes you smaller and one pill makes you large, his innate desire that the real Alice could become large like a woman but still stay exactly the same in every other way.

The potions that Alice has to take to be small enough to enter through the door aren't a drug reference but a reference to immaturity and childhood, only the very small (young) can see and experience Wonderland, but once you grow up Wonderland blinks out of existence (At the end Alice realizes how silly the court is and after she says so, she immediately wakes up)

I can't think of any other pedophilic or symbolic references off the top of my head...


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post Jun 3 2004, 02:52 AM
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I own the game Alice, and whether or not this really has anything to do with my response, I kinda look like her. If you've read the book that comes with it you would know that she is clinically insane, and attacked two people and then herself with a spoon.

And I must say I'm impressed by an essay about Alice in Wonderland. After a recent conversation with my mother, I brought up the topic, and she said that when you're little it's only an innocent fairy tale, but when you get older you realize the truth.

Has anyone besides me noticed that the only movies that are suitable for all ages are lame Disney sequels? What the hell is going on here? We only make movies on old books and crap like that because we ran out of original ideas! What is this world coming to? We all need a better way to entertain ourselves! Like, for instance, talking about it in forums like these. My life has a purpose!

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post Jun 3 2004, 09:01 AM
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I've always thought Willy Wonka was some sick paedophile on acid. I mean, seriously! I think the person that wrote Charlie and the Choclolate factory took the same drugs as Lewis Carrol. I've always wanted to watch Charlie and the Choc Factory on trips or shrooms... but I fear I will never recover. Also Labrynth freaks me out and I wasnt on drugs!


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post Jun 3 2004, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE (Enslaved @ Jun 3 2004, 01:00 AM)
I've always thought Willy Wonka was some sick paedophile on acid. I mean, seriously! I think the person that wrote Charlie and the Choclolate factory took the same drugs as Lewis Carrol. I've always wanted to watch Charlie and the Choc Factory on trips or shrooms... but I fear I will never recover. Also Labrynth freaks me out and I wasnt on drugs!

I can't watch Charlie and the Chocolate Factory without freaking out. That movie scared me when I was a kid and has scarred me for life now. lol. The thing that got me was the girl who turned into a blueberry because she ate that piece of gum. I also couldn't chew gum for the longest time after that. Now I can and do far too much, and have the body of the blueberry girl. laugh.gif


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Roald Dahl (author of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory) does write some...umm....odd stuff. He also wrote James and the Giant Peach. What the f**k was wrong with him?!? James ate some jacked up bugs and turned into a big-headed kid who traveled to New York in a peach filled with talking bugs!
And is it a coincidence that the same director as Edward Scissorhands and the Night Before Christmas also directed that movie? I think not...

Did you know that the seven dwarves in Snow White and the Seven Dwarves (the Disney movie) were named after the symptomes of drug abuse? Hmm...Disney also did Alice in Wonderland and Peter Pan. What kind of conspiritorial crap are they feeding our kids? ph34r.gif


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