who here does drugs.

and if so what ones

I don't think you're going to find many folks here to do drugs... Most people here are too interested in enjoying life to bog themselves down with addictions. The most you'll find will probably be a few folks who enjoy a puff of weed every now and then.

As for me, my drug of choice is caffine. Other than that I'm just high on life and love.

Like Fey said, not many people here do drugs (even if they did, it might be unwise to declare so in a public forum)

As for me? Caffeine. It's what's for breakfast.

Caffeine! *craves*

And lunch, and dinner, and...

Well actually I had to kick the caffeine habit, as it was screwing with my sleep. Not that I've ever been able to sleep properly...

i did drugs to escape everything

Caffine. I need my tea.

Alcohol. Enhances a good evening.

Anything else? You can't prove nuffink!

'Nother cuppaholic here. I'm a groggy she-demon without me tea.

This will sound very cheesey, but "Drug are bad mm'kay?".

As someone who has never even smoked a cigarette (17 year old girl never smoked?! Shock horror!), I suppose I can't put personal experiences in here, but as someone whos elder siblings both smoke/ smoked weed (and who knows what else?!) and one of which was an alcoholic a couple of years back, I know what drugs can do.

It is not pretty.

Don't do them.

It is only selfish and cruel to the people around you who love you and who care for you.

And I think that even tobacco should be illegal...

I'm 20 and I've never touched a cigarette, let alone a lit one...

I'm definately for the drugs = bad thing.

I had this idea for making tobacco illegal, basically you just keep raising the legal age limit so eventually everyone who smoked is dead and you can remove it from society without uproar! Whoo!

I feel ostracised as a smoker. Damn you all.

But anyway. Caffiene, nicotine, alkiiiihol! Hooray!

Although I've got to disagree with the sweeping generalisation that doing drugs is "selfish". I have friends who smoke cannabis very very frequently, and they enjoy it. It doesn't make them... Well, anything. In fact, they're more tolerable when they smoke rather than drunk. Different strokes, different folks, etc.

Oh man, I've done drugs. Loads and loads if drugs. More than a lot of you can imagine, really. I smoked LOTS of pot, popped and snorted LOTS of pills, speed, took some acid, shrooms... uh... more pills... alcohol of course.... I'm not afraid to admit it (though I know I'm only one of a small few on these forums who've done what I have) because that was in the past and I'm proud to say I'm down to smoking weed once a month, if that. Yes, drugs are VERY bad, mmmkay, I know from my very own terrible experiences.

No more alcohol or drugs harder than pot, but coffee's definitely my friend.

i am sorry to say, yes, i get high, but im stopping(shut up!!!)as for you , WTF ARE YOU THINKING, TAKING ALL THAT F*CK, IM HAVING A HARD ENOUGH TIME STOPPING. jeez, all that stuff, cmon, stop, i just sniff what evers around my house, and sniff insense......
I LIKE CAFFIENE!!! *drools*

Right now, Me and my sister are watching three of her friends fade away because of drugs. The reason I don't do drugs (yes, I've been offered) is because I've watched someone who used to be such a polite, caring, well-kept person lose their mind, say things that they never would have without the drugs, and lose weight to the point that you can see their spine and ribs clearly.

I hate drugs. And I think that I have a good reason why.

Pot is not safe or good for you, its just safer than most of the alternatives. My sister in law was addicted to pot (yes, its possible) and has some noticeable, if subtle damage to her memory and sharpness. A genius friend of mine threw it away to become a pothead and continue a job thats below where he could have gone because he was drowning himself in pot. Some people can keep control, not abuse it and be fine.. but that doesn't make pot a good or noble thing. We don't consider it good to give people ritalin or prescriptions drugs for fun rather they're abused or not, so how is an illegal drug better?

I'm not saying drugs are good, I'm not saying that they don't effect some people badly, but the fact is it's not like that for everyone. They often smoke the stuff as though they're smoking cigarettes, and it honestly has had no adverse effect on them, except their wallets.

As FE says, 'drugs are bad' is a sweeping generalisation. I've had some fantastic times over the past 10 years thanks to drugs (pot, speed and E). I've had no really bad experiences (no worse than I've had from getting drunk, anyway). That's not to say that drugs don't mess people up as well, but I have a handful of friends who've been faily heavy recreational drug users over the years (though no 'hard' drugs - heroine, crack etc), and they're are all respected, well-adjusted, well paid professionals.

In England, it's socially acceptable, if not mandatory, to go out on a saturday night and drink so much you fall over or sleep with someone you shouldn't have. That's bad, mmkay? Recreational drug use (to me) is less harmful on a macro scale than that.

Taking any drug (and that includes prescription drugs, ciggies and booze) runs a risk of harm, and a risk of 'changing you'. That's a fact. Crossing the road runs a risk of harm and risk of 'changing you'. That's also a fact.

Heh... caffiene.

I am informed by my doctor that I come the closest he's ever seen to having a physical addiction to it

Well, I'm attempting (yet again) to quit smoking, I've been on the wagon for several months now and I haven't smoked pot in over four weeks.

Like J-man said, I've had some good times with drugs, pot being the primary one. It's great to be able to actually relax and chill and not be high strung. It also got me through work on more than one occasion.

I can't recall a good time with alcohol since I was seventeen. That's when things got bad. Even then, before that I'd get irritable and hypersensitive while drunk. All I remember about the first time I got drunk was my cousin giving me some at a family reunion, wandering around, being too rough in a game of touch football (the American kind) and vomiting my guts out when I got home. I was eight years old.

Aderoll was interesting. I snorted it in the middle of class. I'm surpised no one ever noticed. I'd feel like a million bucks throughout the rest of the day. I don't think I'd do it again. I mean, it was fun, but one high on aderoll cost as much as half a bag of pot, so yeah.

Regarding the "drugs are bad" thing, well yeah and no. Anything in excess is bad, however there are drugs no one should touch, like cocain, crack or heroin. My friends and I have seen some bad things over the years, much of which we'd rather not discuss. I'd much rather hear, "Kids, ice is bad, mkay? Heroin's bad, mkay?" as opposed to "Drugs are bad, mkay?"

I'm only on legal stuff. I'm on zoloft and wellbutrin for my depression, and I take ativan if I'm having a panic attack. I really try not to take ativan though, since it can be very addictive. I can't drink anymore due to my anti-depressants (ayay having seizues), but I used to. I don't smoke cigs or pot, mainly because I think they smell/taste icky.

oh yeah and who ever said tobacco should be illegal, go suck a dick...dumbass.



LEGALIZE POT!!!!!!!!!!!!

wOot w00t!! enh, this guy is right!!

thedeathinside: You have successfully made myself feel ashamed to have ever touched cannabis. If anyone was ever slightly leaning towards the 'drugs are bad' side, that post just pretty much prodded them over the edge.

Just disregard this user, the issue has been dealt with.
Thanks!

Righto. I must say those are some fetching moddy-pants you're wearing there.

[ontopic] Anyway...yeah drugs and stuff. [/ontopic]

the duct tape gets a little sticky, but I like them

Heh...according to my doctor, I was supposed to quit caffeine. Wrecking me heart. 2 teas, 1 latte, and a couple mints don't count, right? Nooo.

Yeah, I'm on the legal stuff antidepressant-wise as well... so along with any other precautions about taking drugs/alcohol, I have the "your medicine and drugs will not interact well at _all_" to keep me away from stuff. I'm a curious person, so I might want to try cannabis/alcohol sometime, but I'll wait 'till I'm older... also cigarettes and asthma would not go well.

I occasionally have some tea, or chai, but other than that, I don't think I've had any drugs at all since I took a pill of ibuprofen three years ago, and I've never done anything illegal. I'm below the drinking age, so I've never had alcohol. Yup, just call me drug-free boy

Imo, drugs suck big time. I just can't understand the reason for taking them. Seriously, it's like actually impossible for me to even imagine me taking drugs. When I say drugs, I mean with the exception of alcohol, which kinda renders my point rather *word meaning not very good*. But! Fear not! I shall blunder on nevertheless!

I feel that drugs (I keep writing "drungs" for some reason) are a cheap way out of problems. They provide you with the most fleeting moments of 'happiness' and then BLAMO! you're back in the real world, facing the same problems you were facing only hours ago.

And it's not only that, for me. The characters you come across in the drugs scene are just scum. People who will quite literally screw you over for a dollar or a pound. People who, quite frankly, don't give a flying f*ck whether you're alive or dead, and the only reason for them seeing you as being worth of being alive is because you pay them. What is more, I'd bet my last penny that 8/10 drug dealers are involved in some other sort of crime. I say 8/10 because that other 20% is probably the guy who sells a bit of pot on the side, or whatever.

My other reason for hating drugs is that they f*ck you over physically, as well as mentally. From the Drugs Ed I was given at school, cannabis can cause psychosis and other drugs can cause you to become paranoid and severely emotionally unstable. Not to mention that a great deal of them can actually kill you. Too, from what I know of crack, or even just normal cocaine, it can actually stop you from having natural highs. I was told by my GP that eventually, adrenaline rushes and even orgasms don't have the same effect, because only cocaine can provoke a high.

That's just my view. Feel free to pick it to peices, as I'm sure it will be.

It must be noted that I don't hate the people who take the drugs, rather I hate the substances themselves and the crime that so often surrounds them.

I mainly agree with little_bear. Drugs are just a nasty business. I also quite like keeping my fully functioning brain between my ears. But it's not for me to judge other people; if you like doing that kind of crap to your body, whatever. Yours and not mine. I do, however, think that the violent culture attached to drugs, especially in cities, is deplorable. If there's a reason to get rid of drugs, it's because of the violence and poverty that comes with them.

Other people have put it a bit more bluntly than I had, but yeah. Basically.. while some intelligent and stable people enjoy a small amount of drugs, I don't feel the damage they do justifies their existence or promotion. For your circle of intelligence, nifty friends (I know some of these too) the list at the opposite end of the scale seems much larger. I just can't feel that its worth all the misery, addiction and violence. Marijuana tends to have less of this than some of the harder stuff, but the cost is too damn high.

I think I'm feeling jaded though. Work is a constant reminder of what happens to the people that don't restrain themselves and the price we all pay for it. heh.

I was under the impression that cannabis being a cause of psychosis was something yet to be conclusively proven. As far as my drug use is concerned, I drink much tea, alcohol on occasion, but never in large amounts, and do not smoke. I take medicinal drugs when required, and have consumed nothing illegal.

First of all, "cheap" is not the way to describe drugs. Second of all, yes, sometimes they are an escape, from horrors or insecurities in peoples' lives the likes of which you can't understand. Others find recreational use to drugs to be a nice way to relax and have fun.

Yeah, when the drugs wear off, you are back in reality. This is where it gets complicated. See, addicts don't like their reality, most likely, so when they go from their euphroria to sh!t again, their natural instinct is to go back to what gave them that manufactured happiness. This is where addiction begins. Yaaaay. Then, obviously, tolerances are built, yadda yadda yadda, and mostly their lives crumble even worse than they were before the addiction, but addicts don't mind much, seeing as they don't realize or the drugs prevent them from caring.



I was once a person in the "drug scene," so I must be scum. My friends, who are closer to me than any blood relative could possibly be, must be scum then. My mother and father and just about every family member of mine are in the drug scene, and so they must be scum too, and further more niether of us cares whether the others live or die. Yep. Must be. Must be that these people, who struggle against their disease every day, these people whose lives revolve around these drugs now, they need them like food, water and air, are scum. These slaves to addiction, these defeated souls and battered spirits, their lives ruined by this all but uncontrollable yearning for their drugs of choice, the yearning that takes over their senses and ability to reason, even love and care, are all scum. Every last one of them. Sure. Keep on thinking that, hon.



As some others have said, recreational drug use isn't usually a problem physically, even with "harder" drugs.

Think before you type, and put your feet in other shoes. It seems that way, I know, from someone who's never experienced addiction or even a single high in their lives. I envy you in some ways, Little Bear, for never having experienced it, but remember, it's not always as simple as ,"Well, everyone knows it's a bad idea and it f**ks with your body, so why does anyone do it? They must all be scum and bad people!"

I'm not trying to flame or anything, I'm just saying...

acid_rain_child: The more I learn, the more I know I can't truly fathom addiction, even if I understand the precursors that often lead to it. I just hope you and your family are doing better. ._.

You misunderstand. Perhaps I should have clarified. I was refering to drug dealers, not drug users. The people who mix warfarin, or household detergents, or soap powder, or whatever with whatever drug they're peddling. They are the scum. However, if you fund drugs, you're also quite likely to be funding other sorts of, much nastier, crime.

Oh, and btw, don't ever use the patronising "hon" with me, capishe?



Fyi, I have experienced highs. Natural highs, natch, but highs nonetheless. I'm quite aware that people do drugs for a multitude of reasons, but since when did I say that all people who take drugs are scum? In fact, I said quite the opposite. If you bothered to read my post properly, you would have seen the following:

If you do try alcohol, be really careful with it, because it'll affect you much faster than it normally would if you're on anti-depressants. I'd reccomend having a friend along who is either not drinking, or will remain sober enough to help you if you get really trashed. I can't drink much at all-- one or two shots in a couple hours, and I get wobbly. So yeah. When/if you go out drinking, always have someone with you that you trust to get you home safe.

I've had one or two times where I had to rely on strangers to get me into a cab home, and while I was lucky (my scene is generally pretty good), it's not something I reccomend at all.

Another thing to watch for is the amount you drink over time, since alcohol can make depression treatement resistant.

Hopefully, you've gotten all of this from your doctor, but don't make my mistakes! I've come relatively close to a minor case of alcoholism, and I've gotten really messed up without anyone around that I knew to take care of me.

So yeah. I guess the biggest thing is finding out how much you can safely drink (although docs will generally tell you that there is no such thing with alcohol and antidepressants), and taking care of yourself, and having more common sense than I did.

That's what I've been told about alcohol + antidepressants, pretty much Although I've got a good ways to go until drinking age anyway, so it isn't a problem at the moment, but something to look out for. But it is very useful to know.

Also, as far as other people using drugs... I don't really care. If I know them, though, I'm bound to worry. Not so much about pot, but the harder stuff, cocaine, heroin, etc. That stuff seems so much more dangerous than a bit of weed. And even alcohol can be more dangerous than marijuana (see how many synonyms I can use for this drug!) when it comes to drunk driving and such, as well.

Little Bear, in order to end this where I think both of us will be satisfied with the other, yeah, you should've clarified people in the drug scene from the dealers. And to be sure, I don't hate people who I think are scum, though I don't necessarily like them.

Hon, to me, is what I call people whose names I don't know or can't remember. I even call my friends hon quite frequently... possibly more often than I call them "dudes." I'm sorry if you thought I was patronizing you. No harm meant. As you can see, it's actually my av... we have a contest for the biggest Hon here in town and everything. It was anything but patronizing.



Hehe, GTS, I love you

I agree with Jonman wholeheartedly.

No! No, of course not!

Given I'm on about 8 cups off coffee a day, plus tea, I think that would be an improvement.

The fact that there's spiffy people who don't abuse things isn't generally makes a thing okay or not. Some people are excellent with guns, but they aren't the reason we talk of restrictions or banning. People can abuse things like knives and razors, which we don't ban because of practical reasons. What would matter more is if those good people outweigh the abusers (I would say no purely from statistics) and if the thing in question has innate value in and of itself. Knives, I could see as well as medical marijuana, I'll concede too. But street drugs and marijuana are hurtful even to the non-addict, lethal to the addict and provide not even the benefits of a glass of wine. I certainly take street drugs much more seriously, but I see no reason to promote yet another thing people use to abuse themselves because some really good people don't abuse it. If I did, I'd be promoting guns for one.

So does this mean you're in favor of banning/restricting things for all because of some who don't use those things responsibly? Personally I find rules such as those degrading. You can't idiot-proof the world, and those of us who aren't idiots shouldn't have to live in a world where rules are geared for those idiots.

Furthermore, I'd rather see the governmental money spent on enforcing silly anti-drug laws and jailing drug users who have committed no crime against anyone spent instead on something productive. Maybe rehab for those who don't use responsibly instead.

And those "scum" drug peddlers we're all so disgusted by? They'd disappear for the most part, if the government would stop their war on drugs and simply legalize, tax, and regulate the drugs. Most people would rather go through legal channels to purchase their addiction of choice than buy from someone involved in shady business. When's the last time any of you bought cigarettes under the table? Or alcohol, for that matter? By condemning all drugs and making laws that "protect" those who aren't responsible for themselves, we're just causing more problems in our society. End of story.

believe: Firstly, there's no difference between "medical marijuana" and any other kind of marijuana. It's just a drug with medicinal benefits is all.

I've said this before where the subject has come up, so I'll just summarise my position real quick:

1) The great majority of social ills connected with drugs are caused by drug dealers and the international drug black market; therefore
2) The problem is not the drugs themselves, but the criminal element; additionally
3) Were drugs to be legalised, the criminal element would be eradicated, out of a job overnight because they could not for one second compete with legitimate businesses; therefore
4) The legalisation of drugs would solve many of the problems traditionally associated with drugs.

Furthermore:
1) The illegality of drugs does nothing (or very little) to prevent people obtaining drugs;
2) The legalisation of drugs would not in the long term increase the usage of drugs (as borne out by the Dutch experiment);
3) Drug prohibition results in the lives of people who have done nothing more harmful than smoke a joint or take a pill being ruined by hefty fines, prison sentences and criminal records;
4) Addicts would be more willing to seek treatment if they did not have to fear prosecution.

There's a bucketload of arguments more, but that's all I can think of off the top of my head. Drugs suck, yes. But prohibiting them multiplies rather than minimises their negative impact.

Edit: Oh yeah! The tax money brought in by legitimate drug use would be enormous. Enough to overhaul the NHS, lower income tax and buy the Prime Minister a new pancreas.

I know many, many underage people who have bought/are buying cigarettes and alcohol under the table from shady characters. Frankly, I blame the stupid age limits. It's insane, at 18 you're old enough to go get your ass shot in Iraq, but you're not old enough to legally get drunk the night before you ship out. That's fucked up.

Pardon the language.

True, but selling coke to underage kids won't be much of a market compared with the current one.

Another point I forgot to make, which is important enough to put it in this post rather then editing my last one:

No amount of policing will ever eliminate the illegal drugs trade

It's just not possible. Worldwide, this is an industry worth hundreds of billions of dollars. No matter how many drug lords you arrest (how often do you hear about them being caught, incidentally?), more will fill the void because that amount of money is too much of an incentive. Police officers get bribed, customs officials get bribed, politicians get bribed - you can't stand in the way of that much money. The most you can do is redirect it into its least harmful route, which is legitimacy. Bring it out into the open, regulate it, license it, tax it. Want the illegal drugs trade stopped? This is the only way it'll ever happen.

Although the comment's slightly off-topic to yours, you've effectively illustrated my point: only people who are banned from using a substance go purchase it under the table. 18-year-olds don't pay someone as an middle-man to get their cigarettes for them, but 16-year-olds do, because it's illegal for 16-year-olds to smoke. Likewise with alcohol and its age limits. People only buy things under the table when there's no other way to get what they want. I agree with Commie that legalization of drugs are the only way to abolish the drug trade - people would rather not buy from shady folks if they have an alternative, especially one that will at least guarantee their drug of choice is what they paid for instead of crack cut with some other substance.

Don't have time to really post just now, but I wanted to answer this. I favor banning or restricting things that are extremely harmful and being badly abused or without a useful purpose and harmful, something along those lines. I haven't heard any arguments for marijuana/drugs uses beyond medical or that 'people will do it anyway'. Thats something to be taken into consideration, but its a long way from merit or use that would suggest we need it because it is a good/useful/neutral thing in and of itself. Especially with the noted tendency of people to abuse it.

believe: destroying organised crime sounds like a benefit to me

What exactly is the reasoning for banning certain drugs and not others?