It is just recently that I have noticed people still have a fear of the paranormal and superstition. I have just started to do fortune cards and learning other skills. I have never realised how many people fear it and have managed to convince themselves that this is the work of the devil and I am a witch then they tell me that they don't believe in witches (still don’t understand this) and we have advanced since the medieval times in this way of thinking. I have also realised that a lot of people even if it is very slightly they are suppositious, but have managed to put in their minds and tell themselves that they are not. Also its the people that try to explain everything logically and believe science explains it all that fear this the most.

I just want to know what other people's opinions and thoughts on this are.

Let me know. Thanks. XX

One remarkably persistent superstition is that of the possibility of "jinxing" something when talking about it. I become nervous if people start talking about how well I'm sure to have done in my exams (or whatever), for fear that they're setting me up to fail (even though I have in fact already sat those exams).

Meh. Superstitions and superstitousness rub me up the wrong way most of the time. Most things that have very little basis in fact and are a load of baloney try my patience, especially when many people attempt to take them seriously. Other examples include many parts of the Bible but this isn't a religious debate, so I wont go into that. When people act superstitious around me they usually end up being mocked, or I'll confront them with their superstition to show them how ridiculous I think they're being... Maybe I should show some more patience but, like you say commie, talking about things that have already been decided upon will not change their outcome.

It's fine to get religious. This may sound strange but I am Christian however I don't believe in everything the Church of England says. This is not to insult anyone but I can't understand how people can say they hate everything like superstitious but they believe in God and believe in miracles prays being answered (I do too) but they can't believe that there is something more beyond that. If it wasn't true also or something like fortune cards then why is the Church of England against it, if it's not real and is made up then no worries? Also it mentions in the bible about anything using signs is wrong so it can't be that completely fake if you have for religious reasons saying it's wrong because if it really didn't work and was not really then why bother saying how it's going against God.

Sorry for saying that but everyone at my school debates this with the same thought and me every time and questions go through my head. It's more of not understanding the argument for this reason.

Not to start a large debate but I really want to know as this question keeps going through my head.

They don't really bother me all that much. It might make me think about them for a bit, but ultimately, I'm just too much of a cynic.

I'm pretty selective about what I am superstiotious about and not. I mean, I think that if you walk under a ladder believing it's bad luck, then you will try and pick out the bad things in that day. I will happily walk under ladders and look at black cats but if I see a penny lying on the ground, I _must_ pick it up. Perhaps that's just my yearning to be a penny richer, but it certainly won't make my living. Also, when I throw a penny into a fountain with a wish, even though I know that it won't come true, I am willing to do anything for my wish to come true. A little part of me enjoys the magic feeling of a wish.

I also tend to invent superstitions for myself. My brain just does it and then suddenly I get very worried if I don't. For example, when walking down the road, I must tap the top of every fence, wall or bush.

Tarot cards don't phase me.

Several years ago I got two skeletons. Nothin'.

Superstitions don't phase me. That said, I hold no stock in tarot cards or fortune telling or that sort of thing; divinity doesn't lie in inanimite objects. I often find those putting intense amounts of faith in them to be equally foolish and more bigotted than many of the Christian oppressors they bitch about.

But alas I digress.

The reason people fear voodoo and other sorts of magick is best summed up by this quote from H.P. Lovecraft:

"The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown."

Ack, I do this too. I'm not really superstitous at all, but when I become nervous I'll start crossing my fingers and such. It wasn't so much superstition, but when I was younger I had an aboslute fixation with cracks on sidewalks. I could not step on them; it didn't feel right.

Eh, each to their own, I suppose.

During my G.C.S.E's I wore the same "lucky" bracelet and necklace. They weren't religious, just beads and hematite, but I still wore them to every exam.

I got 8 A's and 2 B's.

Superstition?

I consider myself to be a Pagan, and a cynic. But like the poster says, "I want to beleive"...

1. Superstition is an attempt to explain the unexplainable, and control the uncontrollable... It is an understandable reaction, I think, to a world we are often in fear of.

2. Many Christian sects seem to subscribe to the carrot and stick philosophy. The stick is the fear of hell and the devil... the carrot is the promise of heaven. Much too pavlovian for my taste... especially since each religious authority seems to have a different idea on what will get you sent to Hell, usually based on personal beleifs, as oppossed to the document that is suppossed to guide them on all things...

3. Most people in this world are sheep, unwilling to accept responsibility for their own actions and fate. This is part of why we have Government, and organised religion. The other reason for these institutions is that there are people who are wolves, who must be controlled. We are a sad, sick, race...

4. Those who insist on 'Logical' explanations to unidentified phenomena, do so BECAUSE they are afraid. They are unwilling to face the fact that there is much in this universe we can't understand/control, and may never understand/control.

I disagree. I insist on logical explanations to "unidentified phenomena," for two reasons: 1) I don't believe that there are phenomena that cannot be identified, and 2) I've never experienced a phenomenon that I couldn't explain logically. In fact, I've never seen any evidence that convinced me of anything except for rational, scientific explanations. As well, most experiences of the paranormal I hear about are linked to remarkably vivid imaginations, waking hallucinations or dreams, psychological disturbances, and hearsay. I am not "afraid" of the paranormal, I just find the belief in it absurd. I consider myself to be remarkably non-superstitious -- although others who know me better would disagree. After all, I cling to a belief in God like a frightened little baby. That being said, I do not "believe" in angels, ghosts, physical miracles, near-death experiences, astrology, an interventionist deity, revealed religion, or any other number of ridiculous notions. I think they "happen" -- that is, people think they've experienced something extraordinary, when really there is a rational explanation for what happened. Hallucinations and coincidences are high on the list. All in all, I have no patience for superstitions, even though I probably study them more often than most people do (having my fascination with all things spiritual/religious/supernatural).

Edit: This is coming from a person who owns three Tarot decks and is fairly experienced reading them. Not that I actually believe it "works!"

Whats the piont using tarot cards if you can't believe in your own work?
Also do you believe in life after death or more beyond death?

I am a walking hypocrasy when it comes to this. I find superstition to be laughably stupid. I will mock people who take part in it.

And yet... only this weekend, when my brother remarked that the weather was holding up well so far - what did I say?

"Shut up - you'll ruin"


Still, it was raining within 2 hours, so I feel partially justified.

As far as walking under ladders, passing people on stairs and similar things which are supposed to bring bad luck according to superstition, that's just a way of teaching common sense. Walking under ladders could result in a plank or a tin of paint landing on your head. Passing someone on a narrow set of stairs could wind up with you both in a heap at the bottom.

Black cats and ouija boards don't hold any water for me. Then again, there's nothing wrong with being on the safe side, is there?

I stand by my statement. After all, at one time or another everyone knew that:

1. The Earth is flat
2. The Sun Moon and Stars are set in crystal spheres that rotate around the Earth
3. Man will never fly
4. Man will never travel faster than Ten miles an hour.
5. Lightening is the Wrath of God, and, as such, is composed of Godly might.
6. Bees are formed Spontaneously in the corpses of farm animals
7. Humanity knows all there is to know
8. Everything that can be invented has already been invented.

Shall I go on?
The point is that it is beyond Naivete to assume that we can, at our current stage of evolution, explain everything that happens in this universe. Yes, there are logical solutions to every unexplained phenomena... But that doesn't mean that we have the knowledge or experience as a species to come up with ALL of them. We're lucky, quite frankly, to have even a few of the answers...

To pretend that we can explain everything satisfactorily, is the equivalent of pulling the covers over our heads: An act of fear, rather than of intellectual prowess...

I've always thought that I was just weird for doing that, since I seemed to be the only person that did. Evidently not.


I've never really belived in the Oujia boards, tarrot cards, or the palm readings. They've always just been somthing to do for fun... Maybe I just refuse to belive it because every time I get my palm read, they say "you have the shortest and faintest Life Line that I've ever seen!"

Please do go on. Your argument is moot, as it can just as well be taken from the opposite angle; that is, that stories were created of ghosts, and of lightning, and of the earth being flat, because we didn't know the truth. Finding out explanations was pulling the veil from our eyes, not over them.



...Surely an unattainable solution is not a solution at all?

Of course. But equally, given our current state of knowledge, it is fairly ludicrous to believe that there is some mystical force that makes bad things happen to folk who step on the cracks between paving stones.

Walking under ladders and not stepping on cracks is not the only form of superstition. I still believe that not everything can be explained which makes me fully against the big bang theory hint 'theory', I also believe this is not something we should have to learn in school because the whole point of science is solid proof and tests maybe carried out to support the theory not a hunch that it was a random event happing and suddenly this amazing world was created and because science said thought of this it made me feel that this would be why everyone has to believe in it (which is another way of science trying to explain everything). The many people that have tried to come up with a logical explanation for everything have always told me the same that it is just random cards being picked what they have then failed to explain is why then when I do the reading a week or a couple of days later that every time the person ends up picking almost the same cards (every single card in the pack is different) but also if I wait a couple of weeks what was their present is now shown as their past. I agree it’s good to be able to see if we can come up for a logical explanation because we hate these sorts of things happening around us and it’s beyond what we are use to and can’t always be explained. This doesn’t count for every one but for me personal if I try to explain everything it would just feel like to me that I am hiding behind science in fear (for me personally not to insult anyone).

I am also just wondering what people think about wika (sorry for the spelling mistake I am not sure how to spell it exactly). Wiccan Is the correct way of spelling it. What is peoples views on Wiccan?

I do not fear superstitions, for I believe they are all a spectacular load of rubbish without exception.

Just my two cents.

I believe one day science will be able to expline a lot of things, like why your cards read a certain way. To me it's rather the case that we, as humans don't have the understanding of science to be able to use it to understand the thus far unexplainable.

I rather believe that it's the logic being apllied that is at fault, than logic trying to be applied at all.

If followers of a religion have to insist that schools do not teach about other religions or alternatives then surely there is something wrong with that religion. If it was so good they wouldn't be worried about people turning away. Children have a right to know all their options rather than being forced down one path.

Religions all claim to tell the absolute truth, Science has never been as arrogant as to claim this, rather it is about providing a theory which matches the way we can observe the world to work as closely as we can with the current state of knowledge.
Science contains built in methods for disproving old and bad theories and replacing them with new theories that match better. Science generally used empirical (observed) data from experiments or observations to produce these theories.

Contrary to this the foundations of religion can seldom be observed, all who claim to want proof seem to be told that they should "have faith". Likewise religion generally never admits to being wrong. Followers of a religion are always told the religion is based upon absolute truth.

(I'm sure there religions which are not like this, hence the use of the word 'generally' above. )

Well, first up, science is not about solid proof and evidence. That is not the scientific method.

Scientific method is:
Coming up with a hypothesis.
Trying to disprove that hypothesis through all means possible (experiments being just one).
Once you've failed to defeat the hypothesis, you can reasonably claim that it is a theory.

As such, the big bang theory fits most of the evidence we have to explain the origins of the universe.

So, moving on, ALL of the science you learn in school is just theory. Actually proving something is incredibly difficult - for instance,
prove to me that 1+1=2. It'll take you a good full sheet of A4. Science is really eduacated guesses. The more you know about a subject, the more accurate your guess is.

There is no 100% correct answer in science - it is not about hard facts, it's about looking at all the evidence that finding an answer that fits all of that evidence.

Crikey, that's one hell of a run-on sentence... Anyway, this is a common problem that scientists face. There is a huge difference between the scientific use of the word 'theory' and the common linguistic usage. Scientists start out with a hypothesis that is unproven, they then test this in repeated ways and if the hypothesis accurately predicts the results of those tests then it becomes a theory that, while not a law, has been proven to be an accurate interpretation of all available data. The Big Bang Theory has been tested and shown to produce accurate predictions of astrological events, such as residual radio transmissions (static on your television set is created by echoes of the big bang, how's that for evidence you can see in front of you?), the patterns of stars moving in a predictable direction away from a theorised source (tested by blue and red shifting of their light spectrums), and the appoximate age of the universe has also been predicted without any contradictions so far. All of these tests, and probably many more that I know about, have proven the accuracy of a theory.

You might say 'I have a theory about this' and have no evidence for that, but when a scientist uses the term 'theory' they apply it in a far more strict manner. The same is true of the theory of evolution. Calling it a theory doesn't mean that we have no evidence, it just means that there are still details of the mechanisms being worked out; the overall theory has been tested and proven to the satisfaction of the vast majority of scientists globally.


The operative term there is 'almost' the same cards. Also, predictions made by fortune tellers can operate in two ways: either they are retrospectively interpreted to fit events (such as with Nostradamus') or they change events by the nature of being present in the mind of the individual.

There is a whole branch of psychology called Neuro Linguistic Programming which is based on visualisation of success leading to you naturally acting in ways to produce those events. A prediction can work in the same way, sitting in the subconscious mind and turning the individual towards producing events that enact it. There's nothing magical about that, it's just psychology.

This said, it's the kind of psychology that I enjoy, and I find predictions very entertaining!

Ugh. One thing I find completely intolerable about people like you marriegold (read: people who can put stock in mass produced pieces of paper, but not science that has yet to be disproven) is the lack of ability to be open to anything else outside your dim little cosmos. It's the equivolent of you believing in life on the moon; though we've never been over every square inch of the moon, science can tell us that there is nothing there. It is the same way with the Big Bang theory; when all scientific evidence (note that I said scientific, not gut feeling or religious fundamentals) point to this occurence, then it is foolish not to at least give some credulity that it could have happened.

TANGENT: So here we get into my belief that God gave us science to explain his ways.

Of course if/when something else claims these things to be incorrect, and given a proper amount of evidence to substantiate this claim, I would give credulity to the possibility.

I am beginning to ramble, so I'll finish up with a motto of mine (stolen from Kevin Smith): it's dangerous to have a rigid belief system - that can't change. One has to have a good idea.

I have a religious belief but I don't believe everything that is said like following the bible word from word. I believe in science but I doubt we could know everything we can try to explain but you could never be sure it completely true but that’s not saying the theories or anything scientific is wrong. (ok feeling out numbered now ).

I also want to bring up another issue as to what you think about Wicca? Most people have said they are fully against Wicca. However I feel like all religions it should be respect if people believe in Wicca we should accept it as we accept many other religions even if we don't believe in it. However that is just my own personal opinion.

I personally think that Wicca (or, more to the point many of it's practicers that I've had experience with) are morons. They often have no clue as to what they preach, instead being happy to be "different" (just like all of their other friends) and bitching about the hatred they recieve from other religions all the while being religious bigots themselves. Their attitude pisses me off.

As for the teachings, I don't think that supernatural power is to be wielded by normal humans without divine aid. As Wicca opens the doors for that, I can't put much stock in it.

However, the _real_ basic ideas of love and acceptance that I've heard to be the center message (correct me if I'm incorrect on that) all good, but then again... you can get that from most other religions.

Ack. Marriegold, not trying to offend or anything... friendly debate!

[I'm glad you posted this, because you're being a bit more forceful than 'friendly debate', so thanks for putting this bit in here to clarify your intention - Mata]

You're welcome! - Mike

Don't worry found nothing offence its a friendly debate but you still need to give your own point of view. I am Christian too but I think this is the reason why I can't say I believe in everything the bible and Church of England says as they are fully against star sings and the use of fortune cards.

I was speaking to my friend who believes in Wicca she wasn't perching or trying to sound different or shock people it really is something she believes in and I respect her for that as she doesn’t force it onto other people and doesn’t talk about it constantly. So I just thought that if she respects other people’s religion then there should be no reason why we can't respect people who believe in Wicca. As for those people that do only use Wicca to be different well they’re just the acceptations. She was also telling me how people instantly fear her if she mentions which gets annoying and is obvious they assume anything to do with Wicca is evil (which is defiantly wrong).

My problem with many religions is that they don't seem logical. I have a few friends who are...umm...new age spiritual? They have a lot of pretty words to describe it. "We manipulate the energy around a person to help heal them" "The earth spirit is alive, and we work with her, not against her" Stuff like that. Unfortunately, it isn't really logical, and it deals with things that are falsifiable, but they simply ignore evidence. I am a Christian, of sorts. I definitely believe in a Creator, although I think he may be more of a 'prime mover' in Aristotle's terms. I believe that Christ was the closest philosophically to God, although I don't know whether or not he was god. However, I try to come to all conclusions logically, and presented with fact, and reason. Wiccan's don't tend to do so, they tend to try to find what feels right to them. However, I think that it is more important to find the truth than find what feels right.

Hah! I can now bring open my metaphysical poet argument... intuition needs to guide people. Deep thought and all of the science in the world are all fine and dandy, but when it comes to matters spiritual, then it one's intuition and heart have to guide.

Note: this isn't an endorcement of Wicca so much as it is an endoresment of everyone having an individual relationship with the higher powers that be.

I always thought of Wicca to be of a religious belief that didn't need to be proved by science or logic. You can't even do that with Christianity, if you believe in merciless that can't always have a logical explanation but is physical proof that merciless can happen. The idea of having proof could be that for me personally my prey being answered, which is enough proof for me, and other, I have met also said around the same. Maybe it could be similar that what they have practiced has worked physically which could be used as proof for their religion being real (Sorry may not be the right word to use exactly). Just another possibility that crossed my mind.


I like to think of the different types of possibilities that could explain why their would be some truth behind believing in a curtain way.
Hope that made some sort of sence finding it hard to explain

No religious belief needs to be proven, but I do think that it needs to be logical. If there was a belief which taught that the sun was really a burning dog, that was running across the sky to try to put itself out, then I think that would be an extreme example of a belief which is not logical. My personal favorite is actually the Great IPU, which can be found

here: http://www.palmyra.demon.co.uk/humour/ipu.htm

and here: http://ipu.secularlife.org/

Science is provably true, and I think that religion must accept the truth of science. The only problem there becomes when people have a God of the Gaps, i.e. - whatever science cannot YET explain must be God.

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Edit: This is coming from a person who owns three Tarot decks and is fairly experienced reading them. Not that I actually believe it "works!"
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I still don't understand why you would learn how to use Tarot cards and not believe it works. How do you expect to be able to do give a real reading if you can't believe in your own work? Wouldn't this be like me saying oh I pray all the time but I don't actually believe it works, I don’t believe prays are answered but I still pray? (There would be no point)? That was just an exsample I do believe in preys being answered and I do pray before anyone judges me (i'm Christain) . Messing with something just for fun is never a good idea hasn't anyone ever said to you there could be consequences?

Not to offend you just don't understand.

Maybe it's just for fun. I have some, somewhere (I keep them on top of the Bible some local family left in my mailbox as a graduation present when I graduated high school... )...and that's all they've ever been to me...fun. I don't think a stack of mass-produced cards have any special powers, personally, so I can't see any harm coming of it.

As for the original topic...hrm. I tend to do things like throw a pinch of salt over my shoulder if I spill it, but not because I actually believe I'll get bad luck if I don't. It's mostly out of habit, cause it's all stuff that my mother or grandmother did. *shrug*

QUOTE (arachnidoc17 @ Aug 14 2005, 07:27 PM)

Tarot cards don't phase me.

Several years ago I got two skeletons.  Nothin'.

Ahhh, but any experienced tarot reader will hastily say "Oh, but skeletons don't mean death, they mean change." And how the hell d'you get two skeletons? There's only one in a deck,

QUOTE (Jonman @ Aug 17 2005, 12:24 PM)

Well, first up, science is not about solid proof and evidence. That is not the scientific method.

Scientific method is:
Coming up with a hypothesis.
Trying to disprove that hypothesis through all means possible (experiments being just one).
Once you've failed to defeat the hypothesis, you can reasonably claim that it is a theory.

As such, the big bang theory fits most of the evidence we have to explain the origins of the universe.

So, moving on, ALL of the science you learn in school is just theory. Actually proving something is incredibly difficult - for instance,
prove to me that 1+1=2. It'll take you a good full sheet of A4. Science is really eduacated guesses. The more you know about a subject, the more accurate your guess is.

There is no 100% correct answer in science - it is not about hard facts, it's about looking at all the evidence that finding an answer that fits all of that evidence.

Case in point - look at a scientific theory taught in an 11-year-old science class. Watch them perform the experiement. How many of them do you think actually prove the theory, irrevocably?

In biology, out coursework is based on statistical tests. We basically aim to prove or isprove our original hypothesis - the Null hypothsis, which states that all the data is pretty much uniform, and all the perceived differences is down to chance. It really is a case of getting lucky data and forming theories to fit around this. The more observations, the closer we get, but will never, realistically, understand the universe.

Sorry to say, I'm with the scientists on this one. I do things like touch wood, and try not to jinx things by commenting on how good the weather is or whatever, but that's more out of habits ingrained into me by the society I grew up in than anything else. I really do need a scientific explanation for "phenomena" - if there isn't a plausible one, I just put it down to "I don't know what it was, these things happen. Sooner or later someone will figure it out."

That said, I get ridiculously scared by horror films and the like. I find faeries, elves and so forth fascinating, and I play a lot of fantasy based RPGs. Maybe my subconsious would like to believe

Why do people know so much about something they don't believe in? Is it interest, curiosity or did you try it out and then decided that you are going to stick to science?
Just wondering.

I don't really know the meaning to Tarot cards as I do fortune reading but I know that you just can't count on one card saying it all you have the double meanings too and depends on the person your reading it for. I can tell you not to fully trust some one doing the readings because I don't if other people do this but once this girl I was reading it for got the casket and the strife together means death so I took the single meaning of each instead of the double this has been the only time I did say everything I saw. I would also like to know though how you got two skeletons in a deck no cards are the same but each individually different (correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that was the same for ever deck of Tarot cards)?

Has anyone hear tried something like dream recall or Astral Projection? And if you have what do you think of it?

Astral projection is a little more realistic to me than Wiccan magic. That's just because I believe in the human spirit's power more than most people. That doesn't mean I believe I can channel my spirit into an astral projection at will or that I can channel it into a ki blast, but I wouldn't necessarily rule out the idea of out of body experiences.

That said, most of us know these things because they interest us. Just because I know of the existence of an idea does not mean I have to believe in it.

There is absolutely no evidence that the 'spirit' or 'soul' is anything more than the pattern of neurons and chemicals in one's brain. I can no more accept the idea of out of body experiances than I can accept that rocks have out of body experiances.

Oh, I'm not saying it doesn't interest me. It does. I just find that given the amount of time I spend living with my head in the clouds anyway, it's important to draw a line between the myth and folklore and real life It nterests me from a scientific/psychological point of view. One of my close friends is also a fairly dedicated believer in all of these things, so I get to listen to it a lot

And I have had dreams, and then later realised that something in real life reminded me of the dream, but to be honest, I doubt that means the dream predicted it. I have pretty much the same routine most weeks, so it doesn't seem unreasonable that my dreams, which are supposed to be taken from my life, would also contain elements of this same pattern.

Tarot decks have four suits like a deck of cards, then the major and minor arcana, which are like two other "sets" of cards. No two cards are the same. This is the same for all tarot decks, although depending on which version of the folklore you read, the major and minor arcana, and, obviously, the interpretations of each card, vary wildly.

I refuse to have my fortune told or any of that. I think that once someone makes a prediction about you/your future, it can become somewhat engrained in your head. I don't think that anyone can really read the future, but I think that their predictions hide in your subconscious and lead you into making certain decisions so that eventually those predictions might come true. Does that make any sense? I won't even read my horoscope because if it says I'm only having a one star day and terrible things will happen I convince myself it's true and I end up in a bad mood. Maybe I'm just crazy...

Nah, that's everyone. It just becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's like medievil witches' curses. If you think you've been cursed, you just blame everyday bad things on that curse, cos you notice them more.

I try not to talk about the weather in case it changes, but that's really just habit. Not walking under ladders is at least sensible. The ladder or someone on it might fall and squash you into the pavment like a tiny bug.
I don't believe in horoscopes at all. Mine is always yammering on about amorous encounters and exciting opportunites. I don't date right now (waiting for a guy with more brains that your average toaster to turn up), and the last time it predicted an exciting opportunity I threw up a lot on a final exam day (not on purpose) and lost my favorite pen. In fact, I don't think my horoscope is even close to right more than twice a year. Idiots at the newspaper with no lives write horoscopes, and there's no way that one horoscope will fit everyone born in one zodiac division. All horoscopes are complete and utter bunk. If they get your day predicted correctly it's a coincidence. Even broken clocks are right twice a day.

What really badgers me is the people going around saying their theory is correct because they have a fancy white coat and some beakers, and any other theories should therefore not be taught in schools because they are incorrect.

"Well, science includes a hypothesis, expirimentation, actual proof..."

Yeah. How many times have you re-created the beginning of Earth in a test tube?

Thats why it's called the Big Bang hypothesis, I believe.

ummmm...the big bang theory has been well experimented, and has a lot going for it (universal background radiation, expansion of space) And I don't know of too many scientists who have recreated the beginning of earth, but I do remember reading about one who had done so, and rudimentary proteins had formed. If I can do a search later, I'll try and dig up some information on it.

I didn't believe people could actualy have them until I had one. I was babysitting. I was bored. The tv was broken, and the only book I had taken with me was Friedrick Neitche (I appologise for my awful spelling here) so I decided to go to sleep. When I was asleap, I dreamt that my mum and brother were having a conversation about how the people at the airport wouldn't let him get on a place to Cornwall because he hadn't got his passport. There were no images to this dream, just sounds.

I woke up just as the parents returned, and I got taken home to find my brother's car in the driveway- he was meant to be flying to Cornwall that night. I went inside and without even saying hello, I repeated parts of the dream to my mum and brother who were still talking. Apparently I was word perfect.

Explain that.

I believe in science as a way of explaining things, although it is forever changing. I also believe that I have some sort of connection with the earth in an almost spiritual way; haven't a clue as to why, but I just get this immense feeling when in a wood or by the sea.

Everyone gets immense feelings when they look at the ocean or a big wood for too long and start feeling how tiny they are in comparison to whatever they're staring at. It's a felling of perpective and it's interesting. Some people say it feels spiritual, others say not.
Your out-of-body experience sounds interesting, but I don't know anyone who's ever had one. There may be a scientific explanation, but if there is I have yet to hear about it.

Yes and I am sure that the event must of been completely random because science couldn't explain why it would of happened at that time exactly if there is no other reason then it's a coincidence or just random. I don't believe everything think can be explained by science that is just what some people want to believe. That is just my own personal opinion though.

I could use the Design argument for this.

Something else that I still get confused by is if they are telling me Fortune cards are not real, random and they would consider it to actually work for a second then why do they still get afraid when I do some one's reading? I find it strange.