I think we all have an opinion on this issue. Most of you probably know my veiw on it and if you dont here it is again in a nut shell. I believe that rapeist and childmelesters are the lowest form of scum in the world and they should be delt with as if they were scum. They deserve to be tortured beaten, scared to death and just totally stripped of there humanity and dignity.

I do not think the laws are strict enough for these people and if it were up to me they woudl get the death sentence or life in a prison where they would have to live in fear of who would try and kill them the next day. Speaking as a man who had a girlfriend who had to go through both and to be unable to do anything about it, I felt so helpless and to think of all the people who have had these things happen to them and to have to live with it. No punishement on earth can make them forget that, not a damn thing.

Please feel free to offer your opinions on this topic but please keep spamming to a minimal, thanks

Been there, done that, I have nothing to say on my experiences.

I'm a forgiving person and everything and being an Anarchist I don't believe in laws, however, if anyone comes after my little sister or my upcoming niece/nephew or my eventual children, the bastard's gonna eat lead and lots of it!

i have to agree with righteous... anyone that comes near the younger members of my family, are gonna be hurt so badly...

i think that child rapests and what not, are just... another form of crap that doesnt deserve to live... its wrong, its disgusting, and it pisses me off to think of people doing such a thing....

anyone guy that would rape a child need to have there genitals removed and shoved down there throut so they can choke on them untill they either bleed to death or suffoacte. and any girl that would do it need to have rather similar just more about the bust being removed and bleeding to death or stabed a million times. there is no way whatsoever that anyone should be alowed to live for raping a child. ever.

the sick f*****s that hurt children are'nt human at all. they are sick dangerous beasts, and like all dangerous beasts they need to be put down. in a slow and very painful way, if possable.

nordelen you sead that way nicer then me... but i got all the morbid deatails.

my paternal grandad did that to my aunt and my father, she came out about it but wasnt believed, my father was too young to remember it. he was a boy scout leader and a church elder and was around tiny little children for much of his adult life - it wasnt til he tried to molest my mother when she was alone with my sisters and i as babies that anyone began to believe what had been said for over two decades - he was totally disowned by my father and his siblings but his wife stod by him and due to his age he was barely punished at all - he was an evil and disgusting man and i am ashamed to be related to him - he died sick and alone in pain and frankly i wish his victims could have been there to watch it

two years after he died my paternal grandmother remarried another child molester, this time someone on the sex offenders list. i dont have any contact with her now even though ive stayed in touch with a few other family members after my parents split up

child rapists, actually pretty much any rapist but especially those who prey on the small and weak deserve to be tortured and killed as painfully as possible, they are scum and dont deserve a place on this earth

I think this is probably an extremely one sided discussion, opinion wise.
i can't possibly imagine anyone saying 'ooh, child molestation...horray'


And if anysuch person exists, you should die and rot in the ground.

a point well made, it does seem like kind of a onesided thing, but maybe people have different views on how they should be dealt with?
cos i know pretty much everyone here would like to personally beat down every sicko who does this but how should the law really deal with them?
or why do you all think people do these things? the whole nature versus nurture thing - is it in their genes or did past experience make them this way?
etc ...


also, i agree most emphatically with your last point, anyone who thinks "yay" its as bad as raping them yourselves, only i know that none of you are like that so ... that was a useless comment really

anouther thing to consider is satitory rape (however its spelled) and if that is wrong or not. my personal veiw 16 and over is fair but under 16 you dont touch i know a guy that is 22 and had sex with a 13 year old last year... i really dislike him now. but i seee no problem with a 16 year old and a 19 year old having a relationship.

im not sure where i stand on this, i know plenty of people dating older guys who had sex at 14/15 through their own choice and havent regretted it but i didnt.

i thought statutory rape was when the girl was under 13? im not sure but i think if an older guy has relations with a girl who is 14 or 15 its just an offence and its up to the girl and her family whether ot not charges are made.

i do think it is sick though for much older guys to have sex with very young girls. right now theres a 12 year old girl who has been in the press a lot here who is pregnant and is keeping the baby. she says she made the choice to have sex but i dont really think you can at that age comprehend what you are doing

in illinois its under 16 arrested over 16 up to the parents. but i do thing is is really wrong when a guy has sex with a 13 year old. i didnt have sex till i was 15 and i hated it and i was really not ready. but i do know a 11 year old that is sexually active and i think it is disgusting for a 15 year old girl to have sex let alone a 11 year old.

ah see, im in the uk and here it is
0-13 = rape
13-16 = own decision, depends on age of partner
16 or over, obviously depends on the circumstances but consensual sex is legal except in a public place (eww)

also our law changed a couple of years ago so male homosexual relations are legal at 16 as well but before this it was 18yrs

lesbian sex has no age limit because (allegedly) queen victoria didnt believe in it but also because it is non-penatrieve

what are your laws?

i beleive that the 13-16 one is still clasified as rape if one partner is older than sixteen, but only if he/she is also three years older than their partner.
example: if a 15-year-old is going out with a seventeen-year-old then it is not illegal for them to have sex. however, if a thirteen-year-old is going out with a seventeen-year-old it can be classed as statuitory rape if they have sex (even if its proven that it was consentual sex).

but i could be totally wrong........

I've always thought the law should be more clear on this as this always seems to be a confused topic.

the problem i have with laws on this issue (child molestion) is that the law is based on the rehabilitation idea and the idea that the criminal can be punished, fixed and sent back into the world.
however, to want to rape a child comes from a sexual fetish. it is not any old crime, and you cannot 'cure' someone of a fetish, therefore they are never going to be fit to be reintroduced into society therefore they should be jailed for life, tortured, or die painfully.

on the age limit thing, i lost my virginity at 14 to a boy i went out with for over a year in all. is that wrong? i do not regret it. i dont think it was wrong. sex is an issue of personal maturity, but you cannot trust people to make their own correct desicions about whether they are ready to have sex. therefore underage sex is always going to be an issue.

and what if the 17 year old guy isnt aware the girl is 13 until afterwards? makeup can work wonders these days- but should he still be responsible, and liable to be charged with rape if she gets found out by a parent or something?

well I am glad that peopel feel the same way I do and porcelain warrior is right it is kinda one sided, I did odviously think that knowoen would think it was alright to do this crap but I just wanted to see how people felt about it even so.

I think saitory rape is something that is ment for the girls or guys who are kinda guilted into having sex with someone because they are young and afriad or maybe do not know any better and then later realiese that it was a vialation of themselves. Spuglet is also right about make up, I have seen girls who looked way older then they really were which I believe was not completely because of the makeup. Sometimes girls project themselves to be older with the atituide and the way they dress and act.

The laws here in Canada are pretty much the same. My personal belief is that if both people agree to it and they do care about eachother its there choice. I myself would never go out with someone more then 2 or 3 years younger then me and when you date online sometimes they lie (lesson learned). I really appricaite all your views and I am happy to see people share my views,ebven though they may be morbid.

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I also agree to all the coments made here...*sigh* I know alot of ppl who are victems of Rape and I would never wish it on anyone...I my self am a victem but I try not to let it controll my life...*sigh* now after I've said my say I'm going to go cry in the corner for a while...

when i was 10 i helped get a guy convicted for raping and molesting his 7 year old daughter and a few of her friends (and my litter sister almost went over to his house... *shudder*...SO glad she didn't). the daughter told me about it, and i then told my mom....which of course resulted in him being arrested and convicted.

this guy now is out of prison, and presumably lives 40 miles from me, since that's where he said he was going when he got out as his family lives there (it's the nearest town to me w/ over 100 people, my college is there, i go there all the time....glad he never knew who i was or saw me).

i think he should still be in prison. his daughter is pretty messed up, and probably will be so the rest of her life. she told me it'd been going on so long, she didn't even remember when it started...she was THAT young.

in oregon, rapists and child molesters actually get special privileges. they get their own section of the prison, sealed off from the rest of the inmates. the logic apparently is that if they are left in the general population, the other inmates will torture and kill them when they find out that they are in there for raping, child molestation, whatever it is they did. i think the best solution is to throw them in w/ the rest of the inmates, and let THEM handle it.

*nods in agreement*

One of my best friends was molested by her dad, sister, stepdad and older cousin. She actually had to talk me out of killing them with an axe and other various weapons and possibly cannibalizing them (When I lose my temper, I really lose it.). The effects are deep and entrenched in her mind. She doesn't trust males very much to the point where she rarely dates them; she's been tempted to become permiscuous; and she doesn't really hold it against her family members who have hurt her. I don't mean that in the healthy 'I'm not gonna let this drag me down' kind of way, more like the 'oh, i guess it's okay since it's over and done with' kind of way. As you can imagine, my blood's boiling right now. My mom went through a similar deal with a stepdad and her friend's dad. As you can well imagine, I feel rather strongly on this issue. I think about my friend, my mom and my angel of a little sister (whom I'd die to protect) and it all makes me cry.

My friend whose dad's a cop said that in prisons, the lifers (some of whom have multiple life sentences) often have family on the outside and figure they'd be doing the world a favor by killing them. Sometimes in the showers, a group of them will throw a towel on the bastard and beat him to death with bars of soap wrapped in towels (Full Metal Jacket style). Another thing they do is take shaving razors, tape them to toothbrushes with the heads broken off and cut them up. Interesting little facts for you guys.

In my province a trial of two men accused of raping a 12 year old girl just wrapped up and they were given the verdict of not guilty. Their friend went on trial for the exact same thing and he was pronounced guilty and now his lawyer wants to overturn the sentece of guilty because obviously if justice screws up for those two peices of shit then they might as well turn the other a**hole back onto the streets. The two men would have been found guilty if the trial hadn't been so poorly run. when the judge was giving instructions to the jury he kept referring to the men as "these boys" as if they were just kids who didn't know what they were doing. They tried to blame the victim, said she was lying when she had a hard time testifying. (they didn't even put her on close curcuit camera, she had to sit up in the courtroom and face the defendants. Nice, way to treat a child rape victim eh?) couldn't use statements because the police had f*cked up and basically made a complete mess of the whole this. Now two and maybe three child rapists who took a 12 year old girl onto a country road, got her drunk and gang raped her are going to go free because of stupid police, inconsiderate lawyers, asinine court systems, a racist judge and a throughly messed up trial.

Anyways. I woke up to my radio telling me these two losers had been proclaimed not guilty last night and have been in a bad mood all day.

personally i feel that laws should be made more personal to the crimes committed. like in this case.i think castration would make all rape and molestation committed go way down, not only because it has that looming over ones head for being caught but also that most all criminals of this ilk are repeat offenders. castration would help this.
i also think castration would help with just use on the general prision population. that would be one hell of a reason to stay on the right side of the law. it would also help with over crowding, not only global but national and prision (because its a trend that people raised with a parent in jail are more likley to commit a crime themselves) so thats my litte rant

first time offense: castration. second attempt: shoot the bastard's head off. that's how i think the death penalty should be too. we spend billions of dollars keeping prisoners alive and well until we can give them a painless shot. what a waste of money and jail-space. a bullet costs like a fraction of a penny. just shoot them in the head execution style. easy. cheap. efficient.

Castration really doesn't do any good though. It doesn't diminish their desire to commit the crime again. And they can still rape people using other objects.

*nods* sad though...*cries* I don't see how anyone could even think of doing anything like that...*sniffle*

Hugs Ed* there monsters. I had a girlfriend online who had been melested by her cousin and her step dad as well as other guys since she was like 5. She confided this in me because she trusted me but I always got the feeling she didnt fully, which was understandable considering how hard it was to trust guys. That made it mean all the more then she trusted me. Whenever she told me something like that had happebned it drove me to think horrible things, like seariously hurting or killing the people that had done this to her but thats in the past....

*nods crying*
I understand how she feels...I barely trust anyone...
*hugs back*

awww I understand. Well I worked hard to get her trust and I did get it even though it was an online relationship. I am sure the right guy will come along and you will be able to trust him again, I hope. I was just wondering, what are the laws for people who do this where you guys live ? and do you feel they are harsh enough.

I always get mixed emotions over this issue... me initial reaction is one of extreme anger... an then I remember me friend who was gang-raped - she told me that my anger scared her, reminded her of it, an she'd prefer me to be more rational... I still despise it, but that thought stops the ole red mists formin...

So I agree wi cand here... put the bastards in the same area as the murderers an violent thugs. But let it be known who these creeps are...

here I don't know this was in Alabama when I was 11...

I am not sure what the laws are for people liek that here but whatever they are they are odviously not hash enough. I say give the victims and family members baseball bats and look the other way. I know that sounds morbid but it is just the smallest amount of pain that they caused and no matter what happens to them it will not change anything for the person or persons it happins to. Personally I would love to hunt those (forgive the language) bastards down and take care of them myself but it wont change anything...so ya....

it's not morbid I agree...mabey not bat's....clubs and chains work better...or mabey we could skin them alive...or ripp their balls off and make them eat them...or slowly cut bits and peices off....I was raped and I don't want it to happen to anyone else..I think they should all be tortured...

*gives ya a big hug* I understand. I can not imagine how much pain that must have caused you and I am so sorry, I feel the same way

*gives ya a big hug* I understand. I can not imagine how much pain that must have caused you and I am so sorry, I feel the same way. I am here for yea

*sniffle* thank you...

your very welcome

*sniffle* thank you again I feel a little better now that I have told someone...*sniffle*

you welcome

i say an eye for an eye ,a tooth for a tooth.especially in murder cases.

i would agree, but theres always the problem of the wrongly convicted

Right. Cat amongst the pigeons time...

Why is it worse for somebody to rape/murder a child than an adult? Both crimes are an abomination regardless of the age of the victim. We are simply more likely to suffer an extreme emotional response when it is a child due to our nature as sociable animals.

Somebody who kills a child will often be sent to prison untill they die. If you kill an adult you can be out in 5 years or less. Is that right?

BTW. I have the greatest sympathy for anybody who has been abused in any way. I'm trying to point out that it is wrong at *any* age.

wow, people really do read my posts

i really have nothing to add to this....people who have been abused have my sympathy

I tried not to touch this topic, because my mouth would tend to run off. But here its go, Rape is for faceless cowards. Men who think they are the greater species and can take advantage of the weaker. The should be covered in paper cuts dropped in lemon juice then have there c*ck severed in half. There is no excuse for men like them non ewhat so ever.. do you know most men who commit that kind of crime, usually get off in 5 to 10 years if the girl is still alive and shes not beat up. Then others get off 20 to 30 years, and some spend a happy life in jail if they kill her. They get magazines, yummy meals, and nice hott showers. They should be left in a cold stinky cell with rats, fleas, lice, diese,, but no we cant because that is not human. F*** HUMANITY!!!!! THESE MEN RAPED INNOCENT GIRLS! if were lucky they get the death penality but that isnt even close to what they deserve... not even close. *whipes tears off keyboard*............. and its not even women, men get raped to. Rape is wrong and unjust.
Now child molestation.. if ne one ever touched my brother i would find them and they would suffer so much pain, nothing would stop me. NOthing, i would dig out there heart with a dull spoon. Only death would prevent me from killing them.. and even then i would torture them in the after life.

*hugs NummyNums* I know what you mean...*is also now whiping tears off keyborad* I think they deserve torture for sure...*tears stream down face*

i believe that the UK should adopt the USA's theory on "life" sentancing-over here,life is 15 years-over yonder,tis forever.

p.s-agreeing with an earlier point,me thinks they should be put in the homicidal section of the prison,and let those guys sort em out-and give them electro-magnets just for fun

Actually, I quite agree wi the "lock em up an let them sort it out amongst themselves" attitude... but only if it's proved beyond all doubt that it's a just result.

I've seen a number of famous people locked up cos of fans cryin "rape"... prolly cos they can. I think people who are raped should be taken seriously, but as a warnin I think anyone who does abuse this protection should be chucked into the above mix as well. I mean, how just is it to wreck someone's life just cos ya slept with them voluntarily, then regretted it?? People who do that sicken me, cos all it does is make matters worse fer those who truly are violated in this manner...