dude... ive had this paranoia (i dont think thats spelt correctly...) for a long time... i just never let it come out earlier on the forums... but now... i dunno... its good to have a convorsation that isnt spammable (at least it should stay unspammed for a change)

and umm... ive worn tin foil hats before...

I agree Leo, whole heartidly.

Let me now take this time to vent about a guy in my Woman's History Class. He started in on a rant on our last day of actual class before our final, which juts made me want to reach up and smack the back of his bald head. We were talking about how there is this stigma in the U.S. that if you are a femenist you are gay. So he just goes off about how it's morally wrong to be gay/bi whatever. Also that people who do are going to hell. Then my teacher shut him up, because you could see people getting really pissed at him for it. I have an amazingly liberal class.

i feel people earn there segregation.. although i am not racist i feel some people just earn there keep.... like the african americans or blacks who listne to just rap music. live on well fair and are gang banging have non- of my respect because they are only falling into the stereotype.. if they dont wnat to be segregated then they hsould do something outside the box.....i do have respect for those who earn there keep. I have disrespect for latinos who are in america and get mad when there are phone companys that dont have select english or spanish. i feel that your in america speak english. I understand having several language options in larger public places for tourist and all. But a tourist isnt gonna call to check on there phone bill. Or gays, lesbians, or bisexuals who use that fact that they are that for another reason. Saying things like im gay and so i should be treated special cuz if im not i feel segregated. Your not segregated if no one pays attention to the fact that y our gay, its just no one really cares. I undersatnd fighting for something or speaking out againts something if you where being harassed verbally or physically because of a race or type or exc. but if your not you have no reason to precah that you are special. You are not special, you are just a diffrent kind of the only race there is human. There is only ONE icecream it just comes in many diffrent flavors. Ok im done. DOnt listen to me... lol... and dont take offense

**jaw drops**

Ok I'm not even going to respond cause I don't know how to word anything without sounding pissy, and yes like every where people are entitled to their own opinions.

yeah time now to go study womens history for my final tomorrow

Before I respond to this, as LoLo's been so kind not to do, I just want to state that I respect your opinion and believe whole-heartedly that you're damn well entitled to it, as we all are. But since I too am entitled to mine, I'm going to speculate a couple of points you made. The "your in america speak english" thing. I understand that a lot of people in America and the UK, as many people here are from speak english, but does whatever country your in have anything to do with what language you're supposed to speak? I mean, say you went on a vacation in Japan. I would sincerely hope nobody would be cross with you for wanting some kind of english option so that you could understand just what was going on. I feel that one of America's decent sides is that it does respect and welcome many different cultures, as the country itself is made of different cultures, and not just caucasian people. In fact, in some places here, being caucasion means you're a minority. Anyway, we're good to have plenty of options for those people who can't speak english, and we're helping them out. To sum it up, I think everyone may speak whichever language they feel most comfortable in.

People who claim they're of a different gender prefference for attention or to be special are simply sick people. If anyone were to use their sexuality as a way to get special treatment, that's wrong, and I'm sure he/she would be yelled at enough for it. Not to mention the possibility that it could backfire no problem.

Special. People are always debating about who's special and who isn't. People are not ice cream. I'm sure you understand that, but how could you compare a person's personality to ice cream? Yes, I understand that you meant we're all human beings, just different types, but I still think that warrants everyone to have a value, a worth. We're all worth something, because for most people, it's our differences and our complex way of thinking that makes humans and people one of the most interesting creatures on this planet. People should take strong pride in what makes them who they are as a person. I'm not condoning the type that's like " I'm black/gay/bi I'm so much cooler than you white/straight/uh.. people". Pride in oneself gets dangerous when you begin putting others down for why they're special. I have a half white, half black boy in my biology class who is constantly making racial slurs at the white people. He says things like "all white people are ugly" or "only thing white girls are good for is sucking .. ( you can figure out this on your own )", things like that. Then he brags about his black side. That's when being "special" just gets to being conceited and ignorant. There's a difference in the two.

I'm sorry, but did you mean that black people SHOULD be segregated if they listen to rap music? You know a majority of white people, asian people, and hispanic people listen to rap music too, right? Every other race is on well fare, every other race has members in gang violence. Black people are NOT the only people who fall into those categories, therefore, their segregation for having to do with them is just wrong because every other ethnicity has members doing the EXACT SAME THING. They're not falling into an african american stereotype. It shouldn't even be one, that makes no sense whatsoever. You're telling them to do something outside of the box? Please, tell me what you think an african american should do to be outside of the box. I apologize, but I totally and completely disagree with that statement. I don't take offense, but geez.

That's my two cents on that. Long post, eh folks?

Yes I did keep my mouth shut, and yes this view point disburbs me emmensly.

1st point: Latinos need to learn english....I just have to say, if it's because this is "America" and its "our" country sheesh, it was the Latinos and Native Americans first, we should learn their language.

2nd point: Fitting into a stereotype. Like syuu said, there are rap listeners and gang bangers in every ethnicity. Theres a couple of mung gang bangers who live across the street from me. Oh and a white guy down the street who wears his gang colors with pride. Yes some people get caught up in the "wrong" direction but that is more of a result of their environment.

3rd point: Living off of welfare. First off its not called welfare anymore its a great institution called TANF. It's not like people come into this country with the thought that immediatly they are going to get TANF and live off the tax payers money. I know pleanty of Latino people that work their asses off to get ahead. Besides how many white people do you know who are willing to go do back breaking work in fields picking peaches or something. TANF is a great institution built to help those in need. Yes some people do abuse it but if it wasn't there we would be in more of a shambles than we already are. Hell America is just an industrialized 3rd world nation.

4th point: I don't think anyone says they are gay or bi to get special treatment and attention. The world is becoming a better place and becoming more accepting of this in certain areas, but in many places it is still taking a big risk to proclaim your sexuality. I've known people who were ambushed and had the living crap beet out of them because they were open about their sexuality.

5th and I think final point: This whole idea of making people be "normal" has been around in America since the colonists first arrived. They killed, raped, and did numerous unspeakable acts to the people who's land this rightfully is to make them, "Conform" to the "good" ways. The idea of naturalization-ie-I was born here so I'm better than you-has plagued this nation for quite some time. Truth is no ones better than anyone else. Yes we are all people and that's what is important. It would be nice and is probably a utopian ideology of mine that people can express themselves however they want, grasp on to their heritage and not be afraid of it, proclaim their sexuality, and not have to worry or deal with the likes of people trying to put them down or repress them because of it.

yep.. I think that about summed it up.... except for this..

as a white lesbian .. I don't think I am special.. as a lesbian I am told from the day I am am born I am shit. I am the lowest form of human there is. I am the crud on the bottom of the tub.. I am the minority that minorities hate... so nope.. I never thought I was special...

I would like the right to marry my gf.
I would like the right to raise a family like everyone else.
I would like the right to know my government will stand up for me when I am beat down cause I held my girlfriends hand in public.
I would like the same financial and government protection afforded the heterosexual couples.
I would like equal representation in government.
I would like to know I will not be fired from my job because I am homosexual
I WOULD LIKE THE SAME RIGHTS AS HETEROSEXUALS.
I don't think this makes me special.. I think this makes me as far from special as humanly possible..

You know what? You're right.

Right about some things. If people have told you that you're the scum of the earth, they can go stick their heads back up their arses. You have guts. I don't know what to say, but your post amazes me, and you have an excellent point.

bump

beautifully put ravein, i see no reason why the government of all institutions hasnt given homosexuals their due rights. in the government's quest for political correctness they have overlooked homosexual couples. i do like the way that vermont or new hampshire (i dun remember which one ) now on to my thing about the rather controversial post.
number one
languege
WHAT?! gargh, some people that are here and have been for generations still feel like using spanish. also, why should recent immagrants be denied services because they cant read and write english that well.
number two
stereotypes
stereotypes are based in reality. they dont represent the entire population though. but the reason for blacks not having respect is not that they listen to rap. in fact they listen to rap because they are disrespected. also i think that a person should just be who they are. dont force people to conform to your anti conformatism to get your respect.
number three
sexuality
people dont say "i want to get this and this because im gay" they ask to be treated like people rather than a virus that needs killing. homosexuals just want to be normal and if a homosexual or someone using homosexual to get their way is wrong and they as a person are corrupt and unjust in themself.
number four
welfare
you know that runs out if you dont work at getting a job, you cant actually live off of welfare. its just social insurance. you dont get to live your life off of insurance, you just get your life back.
thank you for your time (if you read this)

I am extrememly impressed in the way Syuu Lolo Ravein and Racingaway13 covered their responses (see below) in such unbiased, informative, clear, and consice manner keeping the tone and level of the thread very professional - you lot are just way too cool.

time to end the professionalism though...

Actually there are different types of Icecream!

(1) The stuff made from Cow Milk

(2) The stuff made with other ruminant milk - eg Goat milk, Sheep Milk etc

(3) The stuff made from soya

(4) The odd stuff you get in certain fast food places... (it's not cow milk - probably some kinda soya)

(5) Sorbet - (technically not icecream but close enough)


Now I know they all taste like Icecream - but through chemical and DNA analysis it is clear and evident that they ARE different

ty all.. sadly I have spent enough time defending the gay rights movement that I have that almost memorized.. although I get madder each time I have to talk about it. And Vermont is the state you where looking for racing.. great state.. and killer Ice Cream, Ben and Jerry’s ice cream is from there, made from Cow Milk, from cows that are not given growth hormones, I guess grown organically by some non-english speaking farmers...did ya know that one of the Ben and Jerry’s ice cream flavors is Wavy Gravy which is named after a hippy who was part of a gang called the Hog Farm that wore gang symbols and listed to hippie music and feed millions of underprivileged people all over the world and wood stock... kind of ironic?????

im sorry i offended you all...... *sigh* i suck

oh and just to say if you read above.. i said the people who only listen to rap music.. meaning the people who listen to it because its the msuic of there race or culture... and basicly they do all the things that they are steretyped for... just because there stereo typed by them

Okay Nummnumms, I think I see what you were trying to get at.

In the section I've quoted you make two opposing points,

1) that it is right to fight against repression and defend your rights (which I'm sure we all agree on)

2) that people are all basically the same inside and so should have the same treatment as eachother (this is different).

I think what you said that people have jumped on was based on the belief that society is now treating people equally. If everyone were now being treated equally then you're absolutely right, there would be no need for protests, no excuses for people who can't get jobs and no campaigning for the rights to basic human liberties such as being safe walking down the street no matter who you're with, what your skin colour is and what gender you are.

The trouble is that this just isn't true yet.

This isn't just about sexuality and the colour of your skin, this is about gender too. Do you feel that men and women are treated equally?

Fear of difference is still around on a massive scale on a social and a political level. Can you see a president getting voted in who has a nose ring? I doubt it, and that's just because people still don't see that your second point (that people are basically the same inside).

Unfortunately I can't see this changing a huge amount very quickly. Society seems obsessed with what's on the outside so much that it's easy to forget that inside the skin, under tattoos, behind the same-sex kiss, we're all alone and we're all just trying to get along with our lives.

There's the phrase 'sex sells' and while this is true, while a flash of desirable skin, is enough to draw attention, rather than make us think how shallow the advertising is, then I'm not sure that society is going to get much further.

...And that's why women, men (yep, men can be oppressed too), bisexuals, lesbians, gays, heterosexuals, every colour of skin, every kink and every preference needs to stand up and say that they are happy with who they are, to shout about their difference, to be proud of it AND to accept fully that everyone else has the right to do this too.

It's easy to feel in a minority if you're middle-class, white and straight but that's something to be proud of too. Now it's just about seeing that there still is oppression out there and trying to do something about it.

Sure, sometimes people do make it worse for themselves by making a point when it's not needed, but other times the same actions can be a person taking their stand and being proud of who they are.

I've had friends who have been raped, I've had friends who've been attacked for being gay, I've been abused and threatened for not being straight. If the whole world agreed with you that we're all the same inside then these things would not have happened... But they did and there's still a long way to go before everyone agrees that there is no longer any need for protest.

That was an epic post wasn't it?

BTW, yes, I did my BA dissertation on 'Estabilishing a bisexual theoretcal perspective and an examination of its application to the works of Samuel Taylor Coleridge'.

very true mata, I look forward to the day when I dont have to go to HRC protest, or go to another gay pride march...

I used to go on the Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual Pride marches in London but I got disillusioned after I had so many homosexual people telling me that I was just in denial, and heterosexual people telling me the same. Being trusted and respected by neither group really wasn't very nice.

It just made me wonder how bisexuals are ever supposed to be understood by anyone else when even groups that supposedly we're closer to can't understand us.

So these days I say screw it, I don't really care about making people understand. If people want to ask questions about the way I live and think I'll tell 'em but if they're going to tell me I'm something I'm not to try and make into something they think they can understand I just say screw 'em all.

I was quite hurt a few years ago by a gay guy I'd been friends with for a long time... Eventually he found he just couldn't accept that I wasn't in some transitional phase. He used to insist that I was either gay or straight. It's difficult when someone who knows you well can't accept it.

It just goes to show that prejudice can exist in anyone, we can point the way but they have to be willing to walk the path to understanding themselves.

Then again, there are people like Jonman. He was a bit freaked at first but got used to the idea fast. He knew that in the end I'm still the guy he'd known for years, so what did it matter if I could fancy men as well as women?

I think when you are bi you get the best and worst of both worlds. The best be cuase you have twice as many people to choose from and the worst because most of that "twice" wants you to be one or another.

That is something that has always pissed me off about some homosexuals... I never understood why it is so hard to grasp that bisexuality is not a transition phase, it is not denial. IT IS A FACT... I think that bisexuals have been blessed with the ability to love everyone and that is a beautiful thing. It saddens me that it is not embraced.
A few years after I met my first gf and "came out" I met a really wonderful guy.
When you 'come out' a few things normally happen, you lose most of your friends from your straight life, your life changes dramatically, you start to submerge your life in the gay culture just because you are accepted there, and that world is safe. All of you friends are homosexual and you life begins again in the gay world.
Well once you are secure in that gay world, it is like being in another closet. When I met this guy it was like 'coming out' again.. a few things happen... you lose a few gay friends, your life changes dramatically, you have to adjust to the straight world again... and your whole world is turned upside down again....
Needless to say, things did not work out between us and I realized that I had no problems sleeping with men. I had problems being in a relationship with men.
Because of this I learned that I needed to chose my friends because of who they where, not there sexuality. I created my own culture, I created my own world... now I have the best group of friends in the world. I was blessed by my experience, I was blessed to know who my friends really where. I was blessed to learn who I really was..

Once again, I'm going to ramble on about things. I must say, these are the first long posts I've completely read and invested time into from the forum, because every one of you are so insightful. I'm sure everyone knows this, but this is a nice, diverse group who can actually respect one anothers opinions well. Too bad society ain't this way.

Now, onto whatever point I may take a stab at making. I've gotten the same thing Mata has. "You're either straight or gay, pick one." I can say I feel the same way most people have said so about this, so I wont repeat their answers. I have a few acquaintances who can't seem to pick. One rather closed minded fellow started off straight, then he was strict gay, then he was straight again, then he was bisexual, then he was gay, and then he left the school. I can't tell you the amount of harrassment he gave me for actually knowing what my sexual preference(s) were. Maybe he was upset about being so unsure, but nobody, no matter what their reason, can tell you something about yourself. I've known my story since the fifth grade. Hearing otherwise is just tuned out. How on earth is it that people say it isn't possible to be bisexual? It's an equal preference towards both genders, or even more, you don't neccessarily see the gender as much as you see the person behind it. Is that really such a tough concept?

So there's my bit of hate towards a society which will most likely never change. Sure, we've made progress, and we've had our speakers against opression like that, but how far did they really get? I'm taking a glass is half empty stance on the world today. But I don't see how close you can get to an optimistic viewpoint towards a world where SOMEONE IS KILLED FOR HAVING A DIFFERENT PREFERENCE. That disgusts me to the point where I could vomit. Well, too damn bad there isn't a thing I can do about that. It's a trapping thought, innit?

Feck all the hate crimes. Ohh the respect for the forum it took not to replace the e in Feck with another vowel.

I know.. it is hard... it sucks.. but I can't give up on the ideal that we can make change happen.. my god segregation was legal in the US up till the 70's. That changed.. and peoples attitude toward racism is changing.. and peoples attitude toward homosexuality/bisexuality will change. And it has changed some in the US, we actually had a president who declared a gay pride month.. I love Bill Clinton.. so we are making progress for human rights.. but we still have mountains to climb.
I think that some gay folks push for bi folks to pick cause they want to increase there masses... it is almost like choosing sides in a gang... the rainbow crips want the bi's to chose there gang and the straight bloods want the bi's to choose there gang... it sucks.. I hate them

I belive bisexuality and homosexulaity are ,like most people have said in past post, a very natrual thing, and not being one my self i dont know what makes them think/ do what they do, but i do know that bi's/lesbians/and gay's are deffinatly not "freaks" (really couldnt think of a less offense word sry.) as many many ppl belive in the U.S. I go to a school were just about 99.9% of the students are stariaght, and its digusting to see the all the prejudice. The two gay guys in my school happen to be my good freinds and are two of the nicest guys i know.

However i did have a bad experince in 8th grade when a senior (who was gay) started to hit on me, and grabbed my ass. At a young age it was not cool at all.....after that i hated gays, but now look two of my best freinds are gay...i just got to know them really well. I think if i can go from an experinca like that to being good friends with two ppl i use to hate with a passion, THE workd can change too, most likly not in my life time but perhaps soon after.

I think I'm amazingly lucky in the aspect that I go to a public school in Las Vegas, where most of the student body is lesbian/gay/bisexual. So there, I haven't experienced much hatred towards, as the straight people call it, 'alternative lifestyles'.

I have a problem with it being called that, because I'm a whiney little thing. But how in holy hell is having a certain gender preferance alternative?

What makes us think/what we do, or just for myself, is the exact same thing that makes you think and what you do. If you're talking about not being heterosexual, well, there are many, many theories which I wont be getting into. But really, it's not all that huge a deal. We're no different than anyone else in the conventional human sense. Because it's body parts that separate us. Body parts. People are people, man, woman, gay, straight, bi, and I see people for their personality, and not their sex organs. That's the only difference between people.

everyone my age is sooooooooooo homophobic. it sickens me. but the worst part is, they are a lot worse towards guys than girls. i am not bi, but i can definitly understand why you would want to be! you shouldnt be picked on for that by gay people or straight people. and with the rap music thing--i happen to like some rap music. the thing that confuses me most is this: we have 2 major subculture type things going on right now. i dont want to label but im going to say "punk" and "ghetto" just so you get the idea of what i mean. people from these 2 groups hate eachother almost automatically [or at least they do around where i live.] the "punk" people will randomly start screaming at the "ghetto" people about liking to do something they dont like to do, the "ghetto" people will start screaming about how the "punk" people are freaks and look so weird. seriously, they are similar in a lot of ways. they like to wear very tight or very baggy clothing, either bright colors or black and white, both will do interesting things with their hair and get tatoos and piercings, and they both listen to angry loud music a lot of the time. and i could go on. not talking to someone because of the way they are dressed is like the same thing as being racist to me.

bump for the sake of convorsation

Like i said if i can change from "disliking" gays/bi's/lesbians to becoming good freinds with them i think the worl can change.

And your right craziness so many ppl are homofobic it really is disgusting, excepiaccly were i live. There was a bi/gay/lesbian rally in a park one day (which i coundt attend because i was in Michagen for a soccer tournamnet) but ppl in there trucks would drive by with paintball guns and shot into the crowd. very very disturbing.

The world sucks.

hmmm I suppose this is a good place to put my idea ... well you know how some people say that being gay/bi is against nature and god?.... they use the Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve thing.. wich I hate..
well here is my point, when the world was new, and we didn't lable people except to call to them in a crowd (ie hey bob) Adam and Eve had the respocibility of starting off the human race.. so of course it had to be one male and one female.. or I guess.. no wont get into that.. anyway these days there is a total overload of people on earth so if someone wants to get there groove on in a way that wont make more poor unwanted orphans or badly treated children that werent wanted then dermn it I'm all for it .. ::sighs and goes off to huggle her sweeties and sneaks a pinch at Leo's butt:: hehehe

Good rezz, lindy.

Its okay to have a boyfriend and girlfriend at the same time as long as neither of them mind. I think some of you have already said that, albeit in slightly longer posts.

Okay, about the whole having both thing. I don't mean to sound bad, but that seems to me like having your cake and eating it too. ( literally ). Why does someone really need both? Of course, it's my personal preference to date either a boy or a girl exclusively, and neither at the same time, but I'm curious why others would. Anybody who's into that, awesome, no offense to you. :P Just curious, as always.

...::comes in with love beeds and a seude vest with nice fringes and loong hair with a part in the middle and some groovy bell bottoms:: ahem ::smiles big:: FREE LOVE .. yeah rock on.. ::fades to black::

::voice from blackness:: if all concent dont prevent


oh and Syuu I dont think I rezzed it.. or maybe I did I dunno but um thanks.

This is what i think:

When the little bluebird
Who has never said a word
Starts to sing Spring
When the little bluebell
At the bottom of the dell
Starts to ring Ding dong Ding dong
When the little blue clerk
In the middle of his work
Starts a tune to the moon up above
It is nature that is all
Simply telling us to fall in love

And that's why birds do it, bees do it
Even educated fleas do it
Let's do it, let's fall in love

Cold Cape Cod clams, 'gainst their wish, do it
Even lazy jellyfish do it
Let's do it, let's fall in love

I've heard that lizards and frogs do it
Layin' on a rock
They say that roosters do it
With a doodle and cock

Some Argentines, without means do it
I hear even Boston beans do it
Let's do it, let's fall in love

When the little bluebird
Who has never said a word
starts to sing Spring spring spring
When the little bluebell
At the bottom of the dell
Starts to ring Ding ding ding
When the little blue clerk
In the middle of his work
Starts a tune

The most refined lady bugs do it
When a gentleman calls
Moths in your rugs they do it
What's the use of moth balls

The chimpanzees in the zoos do it,
Some courageous kangaroos do it
Let's do it, let's fall in love

I'm sure sometimes on the sly you do it
Maybe even you and I might do it
Let's do it, let's fall in love

(i've just been waiting for a time when this might make sense)

Personally, I would get quite annoyed if my girlfriend started seeing another girl, but in general, People should be ble to do whatever they want, as long as everyone is happy.

Yoinks!

Thanks fer the butt pinch lindy... most unexpected

Actually, the whole Adam an Eve thing bothers me... given they had two sons (Cain an Abel) which leads to one very scary conclusion...

=)

... that is scary :: ::

i have a good friend named joe, he is a homophobe. i dont know how i manage to even look at him knowing how homophobic he is. it disgusts me. he made an offensive comment the other day, and i kicked him right in the balls. its ok if he doesnt like it or thinks its "not right," but that doesnt justify discriminating people or saying negative things about them. [ie: "I HATE GAY PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!"] he deserved that kick. and you know what, i would do it again.

You what drives me nuts? That people think it's acceptable to call things "gay". You know, as if "gay" is an acceptable substitute for the word "stupid" or "weird". Which it most definitely isn't.

Pet peeve. /me growls

You guys know, speaking as a gay person, i've heard more homophobic remarks from gay people then straight people. i know because i say gay and the much feared three lettered "f" word more then anyone i know.

i've never really put my thoughts in on this subject, so i might as well start now

first, i'd like to start with the obvious, all predjudices are wrong. we all know that. but everyone has SOME predjudices, even if they are against an extremely small group of ppl. these are tought to us by our society. yes, it is now illegal to show extremely racist or homophobic/other predjudiced material on TV but it's there neways. the problem is is that it's in very subtle forms, so that YOU don't recognize it, but you subconsious does and integrates it into your brain without you even knowing where it came from. I had these predjudices too, up until the time i realized i had them, where they came from, and just how stupid i was being. Having all of NYC use the word 'gay' for nething weird or stupid made me somewhat subconciously homophobic, and i began doing the same thing, and no matter how many times i heard very blatently that homophobia was wrong, i still kept being somewhat homophobic. i really didn't know why until i was in a conversation at my skool about how completely racist and homophobic the simpsons was. then i realized that it was things like that, and how whenever a gay person does something wrong, it is blatently stated that he is gay, that make ppl predjudiced. now, obviously merely stating that someone is gay and commited a crime is not a bad thing, BUT having it repeated over and over again and not having the same treatment for straight ppl puts a connection into your subconsious. the same happens with black and sometimes asian ppl, althought thank god i (hope i) never became even subconsiously predjudiced against them. if you're a miniority, for some reason that has to be stated whenever someone tells a story. go out and listen to someone describe a person that they met. if they're black and/or gay, the person will state that, but not if they're white and/or straight. i am VERY happy that my next skool that i am going to will have rich white ppl as the distinct minority (altho it's an amazing skool, it'll be nice to hopefully get rid of every stupid predjudice society put into my subconsious)

actually, i'm editing this post, just to show you ppl what i'm talking about. look at what i said in the parentheses. what i just implied (without even knowing that i was) was that a skool where rich white ppl are in the minority is normally a bad skool. this came directly from going to an amazing but elitist skool all my life and being subconsiously taught (not by the skool, actually, but by the news) that all the good skools have rich white kids as the majority. that's just another one of the predjudices i was talking about, and i'm really ashamed to admit that i still have it, and i'm much more ashamed to leave it in this post, but i'll do it just to prove my point

so, basicly to wrap everything up (for those who don't want to read the whole post) altho racism/homophobia is wrong, remember where it all came from, and remember that YOU can change that. if enuf ppl in the world help teach their kids not to be racist/homophobic (like my parents), then their kids will feel more confortable spreading their anti-racist beliefs to their friends (like i and some of my friends did at my skool, and y'know what? in fifth grade, we all called stuff 'gay', but by seventh grade NO ONE did that at ALL nemore, which shows you what a few ppl can do against racism) o, and to all the bi ppl who get ppl telling them to be straight or gay, calmly tell the person telling this to you that their oppinions are uninformed and completely worthless, and walk away. you'll feel a lot better, and you wouldn't listen to the person neways, so why not get some satisfaction out of the conversation?

ok well im only 16 and a few ppl have commented on how young girls especially say theyre bi and i know this is really really true but this is what i really think ok?

right now i dont believe in sexuality - this sounds kinda wierd i guess but basically i think you should be with whoever you love and that gender doesnt come into it as far as im concerned - monogamy is a big thing with me though - my last boyfriend was bi and we messed around with ppl other than each other which in the long run didnt work out well, probably cos of the whole "a person is a person not a penis" argument .... hence me = monogamy nowadays

um ok i guess thats all i didnt really have much to say

guess what else ... i just realised this isnt a new thread doh!

oh well my comments stand but i only read the first page before ... erk

Yeah, I know. That's what really annoys me. I admit, I do it sometimes, but I don't like the term used as if "gay" was something to be ashamed about.

li use the word gay as it used to mean. happy or joyous.

1 it really throws peopel off
2 i think it should be used for good!

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I'm hetro.. but I have absolutely nothing against homosexuality or bisexuality. In the engineering club at my school a lot of people were farily homophobic... but some friends of mine and I saw to it that that changed... ahh, the power of hugs. (It's true too, funny and true.) I hate racism, sexism, prejudice, and arrogance.
They say that you're born either strait or gay, but I don't think that's true. You see, my friend's older brother decided that he was gay at the age of 16, but by that time he had already had sex with three girls... I think it would be more appropriate to say that you don't control your sexual orientation rather than you're born that way.
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Yeah, I like to use words as they were intended... gay, queer... that's probably all... can anyone else think of any other ones?
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I have so much to say on this topic that I hardly know where to begin. :-)

First I want to respond to porcelainwarrior's comment about not believing in sexuality. I kind of agree with you, although not in the same words. Everyone has sexuality, so it's hard to not believe in sexuality itself. What I don't believe in is the attempt to categorize/define everything. I don't like to refer to myself as "bisexual" because the word suggests a dichotomy that I don't believe really exists (for example, male OR femelle, masculine OR feminine). I think there's a whole lot of "in-between" and even "beyond" or outside those constraints that the word "bisexual" doesn't cover. For instance, what would you call it if a biological male becomes attracted to a transvestite, or a pre-op transexual? Or what about intersexuals (a.k.a. "hermaphrodites") who can't be defined as biologically one or the other? Labels are too limiting for the endless possibilities, in my opinion.

Furthermore, it just seems arbitrary to define people's romantic/sexual relationships based on what type of genitalia each individual possesses. In other words, why label a person for dating someone with a certain set of genitals when we don't really bother to label people for dating others of a certain race (besides the all-encompassing, and pointless, label of "interracial dating"), or based on other physical traits? If you prefer to date someone of your own race, should we say you are homoracial? Or if you exclusively date people of European descent, are you Caucasia-sexual? Sounds silly, doesn't it? In my opinion, it's just as silly as assigning labels to people based on their sex/gender preference. I dream of the day that we won't even need these labels to identify others.

(Note: this isn't meant to disparage anyone who does wish to affix a label to oneself. The way our society is currently arranged, it's almost necessary to assign such labels to ourselves in order to find potential mates, though I still wish that wasn't true.)

To me, genitalia is just another physical trait. Just as we all have our physical preferences in lovers as far as hair colour, body shape, height, or even race, so do we have our preferences as far as biological sex. Or in my case, I don't really have a clear preference as far as genitalia goes. :-) I prefer to concentrate on other traits instead.

I also want to respond to what LindyLouWho said that briefly touched on homosexuality/bisexuality as it relates to overpopulation. This is actually one of my favorite arguments to use in support of non-heterosexual relationships -- heterosexuality may help sustain the population, but at least homosexuality helps to curb the population. In fact, I just took a gender class this past semester, and this discussion recalled something I remember from my textbook, and I'll quote it for you all:



That is truly remarkable to me. It actually sounds like quite a good idea and very conscientious as a whole, considering the quickening rate at which our world population seems to be increasing.