i just knowticed that theres alot of judgment in this thread...i mean i know by posting this im making a judgment of my own...but really..where do ppl get the idea that they r so much better that they can judge ppl....dont get me wrong you can have an opinion..but geeze...if its going to hurt someone dont share it...

im just curious as to know who else agrees with me...
i dont get why we cant all just like get along without judging eachother...geeze..its so dumb...we are acting like kindergardeners...all of us..even me...so i say we stop it..whose with me?

come on admitt it..we all judge people..even if we do it on accident...

I haven't been on the Issues forum in a bit, so I'm not sure of the incident(s) to which you are referring, but everyone judges. It's human nature. I say sharing of opinions is fine, so long as you're not being downright insulting.

im not talking about a certain thing..just..alot of different stuff ive read...

I just say what I'm thinking, often--I must admit--without much regard to how others feel.

i agree w/ commie on this. sharing opinions is fine. everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

but when someone gets insulting, then that's crossing the line, and there is no reason at all to do that. an insult is NOT an opinion.

I agree with cand and commie too. Sometimes, when peoples' beliefs are challenged, they feel a need to retaliate with personal attacks x_x

u guys totally understand..and ghost i know how you feel....

its true...an opinion is ookay...but being an arse because someone doesnt agree is just...the mods would spend too much time editing it if i said...

like i will admitt..at this party there was this girl and she got all mad cuz i said i didnt like avril...so she comes off with "well you look just like her...so you dont like urself..youre a poser..nar nar nar"

it was so dumb..i ended up crying which i realize was kinda stupid..being that i did come off that way to her...but still...hurting people to voice your opinion is kinda dumb...

Yeah... And I get what you mean with the Avril thing. Ugh...

thanks fer sticking up for me elf..lol...we're judging her...lol..meh...

ya know kv.....i haven't noticed much hostility really. people seem to get along. maybe i'm just not reading the right posts.

Well, espresso, if you cruise around the Issues forum more often, you'll find "repressed hostility"... Some people ... never mind. But in the nooks and crannys (or is it crooks and nannys? o_0) of the topics here there are some pretty nasty fights

C'mon kids, let's play nice here... no indirect finger-pointing...

It's a forum with hundreds of personalities and viewpoints... there's bound to be complete clashes between people.

The point is to be respectful in your disagreements... mud-slinging = bad...

there is OCCASIONAL mud-slinging.....i do see that, but generally people are nice to one another.

yes i see your points..im just saying that judgment is wrong..

Without some form of judgment, can opinions truly exist at all?

In order to discuss the pros and cons to a situation, which is referred to as debating, which this thread was created for, there must be some type of altered viewpoint.

The altered viewpoint directly reflects the debater's personal ideas and thoughts on a matter...which is often called a person's judgment.

Did that make any sense...or did I come off as a smarmy EDIT?

it made sense, sarah.....but that isn't the kind of judgement we're talking about....at least i don't think any of us have a problem w/ exchanging different ideas w/ someone.

we were talking about senseless name-calling....or saying that someone is less of a person than you because they believe certain things that are different than what you believe..... which really has no place anywhere.

Oh. Well I got the general gist that if we weren't all in agreement with an idea, not to voice it. But I'm slow...that probably wasn't the gist at all...

Stupid stupid Sarah *bangs shoe on head...check it out I'm Spicoli...ouch...*

quoted from kidvicious2punk:
"well you look just like her...so you dont like urself..youre a poser..nar nar nar"

i was at that party, and in my opinion she was being very immature.... not to judge her though.... he he he...

kelly j.

ps: dont laugh at my inablity to quote people correctly...

Ok, more controversy...judging in itself is NOT wrong, but...


...the word discriminate in itself is NOT wrong either...

so i prefer CHOICE...our choice to agree or disagree with someone based on facts or perceived facts, that which a person thinks is right to THEM, can be a tricky to deal with in real ife or on forums ...

so... personally I will never CHOOSE to attack anyone here, but... I have the right to CHOOSE to defend or clarify myself for what i understood was a disrespectful or misinterpreted opinion...

besides I am always a smart:edit: so I hardly ever say anything "bad" and mean it ...


...nuff said...

We all must judge for ourselves. That is the way we determine what is best for us. The real sin is when you try to force your judgements on others. That is the line which we must never cross. I feel that letting your personal judgements be known is all right so long as you don't force them on anyone. As Jesus said, "Do not judge and you will not be judged. (Revised Standard Verson)" or in King James English, "Judge not lest ye be judged yourself."

I'm with everyone who agrees that voicing opinions is fine, attacking someone else for not agreeing with you isn't. Everyone does it, or has done it, to some extent or another, whether IRL or on the boards, but from the places I've been I think this site is a lot more mature than others I've been on, which is a good thing.

Everyone in the whole world judges all the people around them whether on line or in RL, even if we don't want to, we still do.
Thats never going to change...it sucks bit its true.

thinks about it...if there was no judgment of any kind, the world would be full of criminals, rapists and murder's.

Judgement is the principal motor behind learning (as in emotional and physical safety, and the acquiring of experience) and behind appreciation of beauty ... and indeed behind adapting ourselves to each and every thing that surrounds us on this planet.

Evaluating or second-guessing the intentions and thaught processes of others is a different thing entirely, and often the mother of all EDIT-ups. This little sport says more about the evaluator than the target, as it is based , necessarily, on ones own tiny little perspective on things. Oh we do it, but we check it and think about it and adapt...

And so for those amateur little Lord-Chief-Justices of the world, two thaughts:

1. It takes a thief to catch a thief.
2. If you dont know, ask ... otherwise keep yer fool mouth shut and listen, cos you just might learn something.

i see your points..and i think this is turning out to be a great disscusion..what do you think?

Of course it depends, but let's not lay down blankets about trying to imposs your views on other people. Face the reality, some people are so clueless, blind, and dumb that it would be a crime if you *didn't* try to change their views in regards to certain important matters.

But that would be wrong. It is NEVER all right to impose your views on others, no matter how "clueless" they are. Some Muslims think you're clueless if you don't lob off a woman's clitoris when she reaches puberty so that sex isn't pleasurable to her and, therefore, making her loyal to her husband. Would you liks someone to force that on you or your sister or your cousin or your niece? The idea is that when it comes to human judgements, we may all be wrong in some form or fasion and we can't expect everyone to have the same viewpoints on things, so why don't we just agree to disagree and diffuse any and all situations to come?

And what "important matters" are you talking about? War, gun control, abortion and limiting freedom of speech are important issues, but how do we know which side we should "change people's minds" about?

While I do agree that trying to insult someone for differenting views or judgements on certain things are very nasty indeed, I also believe that judgement on others is necessary, not only because it's in our nature, but for the personal safety of yourself and others. Take for example a mother and her child at a park. There is a menacing and suspicious looking man that keeps staring at the children as if to approach them. The mother doesn't know this man personally at all, and has no idea what his intentions are. But isn't it her duty to pass judgement on him, and take her child away from potential harm? This may sound like something that people would pass off as "common sense", but it is judgement, and the type that needs to exist in society. Unfortunately judgement is also very detrimental and results in hatred and prejudice. But on the other side of the fence, there is the judgement that is necessary.

See, that goes along with what I'm saying about judging what is best for yours an your children's lives, not the lives of other people.