i was looking threw aa folder that i had and i found a paper on how many people die every day, and the way that they put it really makes you think

every 2 seconds a person commits suicide
every 5 seconds a baby is aborted
avery 20 seconds somone over doeses on drugs and dies
every minet a woman died from complications during child birth
every 1.5 minets a chile ages 7-15 dies of lead poisining
every 3 minets somone drowns
every 4.5 minets a woman is raped and dies from infection
every 5 minets a teenager dies in a car accedent
every 7 minets a man dies in a hunting accedent
every 10 minets somone dies of alchole poisining


i dont know but i read that and i had to think of some of the stupid stuff people i know do, and that i do, what do you think?

What I think is that is not a stupid thing. Imagine if all of those babies were carried to full term. That's a lot of unwanted babies that will probably have a very unhappy childhood.

Is that Global?

i wasnt just talking about the first one, if you look it goes in numerical order. and yes its global

suicide...

hrm, then maybe i'm not alone.

*frowns*

Humans are idiots. Be glad you aren't one of them.


And the cynic slowly steps away from a rather large arson of peacefulness

My best friend was an unwanted child. but his parents did carry him to term.
Whatever happened to the individuals right to life liberty and persuit of happinessThe sad thing is every 5 seconds a child is thrown into the intelectual abyss of the after life without experinecing the sensations that life has to offer.
There is so much beauty in the word and so many wonderous sensations. Besides it is anti evoultionistic for our species to exterminate genetic variation before it can be tempered by natural selection.

Well, I'm not too sure that we as a species have been subject to the full strength of evolutionary forces for a long time. We've been dabbling with medicine and other means of protection pretty much from the word go, which can make something viable, which would in the normal course of things not be.

However, our ability to control our surroundings and, to a degree, ourselves is a result of evolution in itself... The view could be taken that what we do or don't do is in itself a form of evolution.

By that logic, no one should use any form of contraception (no, I do not think abortion should be used as contraception..only as an emergency choice...but using the pill or condoms or the like would also be considered "anti-evolutionary"). And then where would we be? Most likely in poverty. If you want to try to support 7 or 8 kids, be my guest. I'll pass.

As far as these kids not experiencing all the beauty that life has to offer....a lot of them really wouldn't have much beauty in their life. All of the girls that I have personally known who got abortions have lived in poverty. I don't mean that they had to buy generic brands instead of name brands, I mean they needed food stamps in order to buy enough food to survive. It isn't like they wanted to terminate their pregnancies, but life just didn't leave them many options. The guy wouldn't support them (before you mention child support, you try getting money out of a deadbeat dad sometime), their families would probably have disowned them, and black babies get adopted much less frequently than white babies. Adoption is a great option if you are white. Anything else, and your kid will probably grow up in foster care, in and out of different homes, their whole life.

Yeah, that's really beautiful. Especially when foster parents aren't screened nearly as well as they should be. There are some scary people out there who are allowed to become foster parents. For some people, abortion is really one of the only humane options they have.

this isnt about abortion its about alot of stupid things people do to themselve (drug overdoeses) and to other people (women dying obecause they got an inf3ection and never went to the hospital becasuse they were ashamed) it not jsut about abortion thats just how the most deaths accure, right after suiocide

I know it isn't about abortion.

But you called abortion a "stupid thing that people do to themselves."

Therefore, you started a debate on it, because I don't believe that it is stupid.

that wasnt ment that way, gah gah gah, i didnt start the debat the whople thread was to point out how many stupid things people do that result in death abortion was jsut a part of it, i didnt want that to happen. in fact part of it was my wanting my ea-e-husband to see how many people die from drugs and stop, aslo im a very bad driver, and i get in alot of stupid wrecks, it wasnt even about abortion that was just on the papar and put it down

Hey,whatever happened to condoms NOT splitting,and the morning after pill ACTUALLY working?what happened to the father sticking around to see you through?REALITY HAPPENED.

i sure as hell didn't want to give up my baby,and if you can sit there,and preach about this "whatever happened to the right to life" bullshit,remember this:MY LIFE ENDED when i had that abortion-what happened to MY rights of life?I didnt ask my boyfriend to climb up on top of me and get me pregnant,i didn't ask the doctor to look down her nose at me and think "she's thrown away her life at 17,what a stupid bitch" i didn't ask to be holed up in a hospital ward,crying out in pain and sadness,knowing that as i lay there my very child was dying inside of me,did i?so why DID it happen to me?where's my right to life,huh?
i wish you could f*****g tell me,so don't sit there and blast abortion,because one day you might find yourself in that unresolvable situation,where you know that you are physically and mentally incapable of looking after a child,and that you wouldnt have money to feed it,and clothe it,and make it smile every day,like the other normal children.try walking into an abortion ward at 17 with a 2month old baby in your stomach,everyone around you giving disapproving glances and thinking "how could she?" because i can assure you,IT'S HELL.

p.s-unless its happened to you,you have no idea.

p.s-unless its happened to you,you have no idea.

If you want to know all the stupid ways people can die, read The Darwin Awards and its sequel.

....not to sound callous, but are you saying your boyfriend climbed on top of you without your consent?

Unfortunately, even when condoms don't split, they're still only 99% effective if used properly, and studies have shown that most people don't use them in the way that is most effective, which renders them more like 85% effective.

Whether you use a condom or not, whether it splits or not, having sex is always, ALWAYS going to have a possibility of ending in pregnancy. So please, don't blame others for it. It was something that hurt you terribly, and I'm so, so sorry that you had to go through an abortion..especially at such a young age. But I don't think it's healthy for you to rail out as though you had no choice in the matter, as though you were nothing but a helpless pawn in the cruel twisted hands of fate. And just because others don't have the experience doesn't mean that they are discounting yours, especially when they had no knowledge of it. Please, I understand it's very painful, but try not to lash out at others. They aren't trying to hurt you.

I believe in situational abortions. If the pregnancy was due to rape, or if it's shown that giving birth to the baby would be life-threateningly dangerous to either the child or the mother, then I don't have a problem. But if people are just having unsafe sex and don't want to deal with the consequences, I think it's a terrible thing to do.

I disagree.

Do you expect a married couple to not have sex? Not every married person wants children...and birth control methods do fail, just like you mentioned.

I won't get into the whole minority babies issue in much depth....because I did earlier in this thread. So scroll up if you wanna read about that...because that is a huge reason why I am a supporter of abortion in all situations (except partial birth abortion or when people seem to use abortions instead of birth control repeatedly)...probably the main reason, for me.

I will say that if I was a minority, I certainly wouldn't want to put my baby up for adoption. The world doesn't need more babies growing up in unfit foster homes. And if I couldn't afford to raise him or her myself...what other option would I have?

Even though I'm Caucasian and married and implement birth control...if I got pregnant at this point in my life...I'd probably choose abortion. It would kill me, but I'm poor and having a baby right now is just not an option. I really admire people who are able to give their children a chance at a better life by giving them up for adoption...but I don't think I'd be strong enough to be one of them. If I carried the baby to full term, I'd probably end up raising the baby. Then where would that leave me? I'd probably have to drop out of college, get a minimum wage job, and in 18 years I'd probably still be living in low-income housing and my life would be going nowhere.

I don't think that it's fair to say that people who aren't raped or aren't in life-threatening danger by being pregnant just "don't want to deal with the consequences." Feeling that they have no other choice and going through the experience of having an abortion is consequence enough.

Sorry, you're right, I phrased that too broadly. It's not that I believe that any person who wasn't raped or isn't in life-threatening danger is unresponsible, and I realize now that that's how it came out. Sorry.

The people I'm referring to as irresponsible are like you mentioned: the ones who repeatedly use abortion instead of birth control. In my case (and I don't expect anyone else to feel this way; this is just my personal belief) I also extend this to 13, 14, 15, 16-year old girls (aka girls who, for the most part, have NO clue what Real Life is about yet) who think it's fun to go to parties, have sex with boys, and then freak out when they get pregnant as though they didn't expect it. In their case, I also blame their parents to some extent for not being open enough with their kids about sex to explain the repercussions they might have to face.

In those cases, depending on the financial and social situation of the family, I'd prefer the child be born but I can understand if the parents decide she should get an abortion. But I can feel no pity for the girl in that case. I just can't. That may make me heartless and cruel but I've gotten so tired of seeing this kind of rampant stupidity given free reign in our societies. People wonder WHY we have a huge overpopulation problem? WHY it's forecasted that if steps aren't taken soon, we'll have a population of over 50 BILLION worldwide before 2025? To me, that's one of the biggest reasons: rampant teenage stupidity. Parents not raising their kids to be responsible. Etc. etc. etc. rant rant rant rave rave rave.

And here's an opinion that will probably start a lynch mob comin' after me: I think it would be a helluva good idea for the government to instigate a semi-voluntary, semi-mandatory sterilization program. When a girl hits puberty (and yes, I know they can have kids before puberty but it's not like you know WHEN that will be, so puberty would be the best mile marker), she goes to a free doctor's visit. The doctor will do a very thorough examination, keeping an eye on personality traits, physical condition, mental condition, financial condition and so forth. They will also look for dangerous genetic traits such as severe epilepsy, etc. At that point the doctor will speak to the girl and her parent/guardian and explain his findings and make a recommendation: Either the child is recommended to become sterilized, or is given the thumbs-up for procreation. If they decide to become sterilized, the procedure is free. If they're given a thumbs-up and decide to get sterilized, it's still free. If they're told it would be a good idea to sterilize and decide not to, then if the girl becomes pregnant, it is NOT supported by the government aka she does NOT get the tax breaks and benefits, etc. She made the choice. She took the risk. However, anyone can go back to the doctor every few years for a "pregnancy checkup" where the same evaluation procedure would take place and perhaps at a later point, the doctor would give them the thumbs-up.

As for people given the thumbs-up, I think a 2-child maximum policy would be a good idea. Nobody and I do mean NOBODY needs more than 2 children in this day and age. After a second child, once again, free sterilization.

And the only reason I'm not suggesting it be done to the males instead of the females is because studies have shown that male sterilization procedures aren't as likely to remain effective as women's. *shrugs*

I don't think that when a girl hits puberty she is adequately prepared to make a final decision as to whether or not she wants to have children later in life. Nor do I think that her parents should make that decision for her. I hit puberty around age 10. At the time, I am pretty certain that I did not want kids. Even now I'm not completely sure...

Maybe I should take this to the overpopulation thread I saw started...I think I shall.

I do agree with you about parents raising their teenagers irresponsibly though. It just drives me nuts. My parents are lucky that my sisters and I didn't end up pregnant. They didn't even talk to us about sex...didn't tell us what it was...much less teach us about birth control. That kind of thing just irritates me. Parents expect the schools to do it..then OTHER parents don't want the schools to do it..even when the kids are seniors in high school!

One thing I think should be implemented is teaching sex ed a lot more than it is currently..and making free condoms readily available. I don't care if some parents don't like it..their kids are the most likely ones to get pregnant anyhow since they're obviously so repressed.

Dude,you are SO playing god there.my sister has 4 kids,she's happy as larry,and a great mum.

p.s-i'm not blaming anyone but me for what happened,it was a cruel twist of fate,so please don't talk to me like a child.i've been through things that would give you nightmares.