Be careful-this report is rather frightening.


Ow God! It's far too hot!

From that site:

Uhm, no, that's wrong. The temperature rises due to greenhouse gasses that get caught in the atmosphere. They allow heat energy from the sun to come in, but they don't allow the heat energy that the earth generates to leave the atmosphere..they just reflect it back. This does cause more water to evaporate, of course, but when it does so, we get a lot more clouds than we normally would and this cools things off due to the added cloud cover. I think the abundance of clouds is what the article was talking about when they mentioned a "thicker" atmosphere...though I can't be certain. We aren't going to "boil to death."

At least, that's what I remember from Physical Geography last year. I got an A, but it has been a whole year. I'd need to break out the textbook to make sure (which I will do, should anyone require proof).

anyone else think that site's a joke?

can't think of anything else to say. it just seems to bad to be true

the greenhouse effect is happening...but not to that degree and not by any intervention of man.

ever heard of an ice age? well theres something called an interglacial period, a period between ice ages where it gets really hot in the middle. thats whats happening now. this has been happening since the dawn of our atmosphere, its not a big deal.

Actually, they have the Ice Age on there too.

Ow God! It's frickin' freezing!

And they have the biggest extinction source possible.

HELP! I'm being gunned with giant rocks!

That site is complete BS. You can't trust sites like that, I don't know why people always like to stuff like that here.

The ozone layer was formed long after the earth was formed. The first lifeforms were restricted to the deep sea water as the sun's radiation would have killed anything it came into contact with. Back then these simple celled organisms did the same thing any other plant now does, turns CO2 into oxygen. The only thing different was that it created O3. O3 is a unique form of oxygen we can't get today. It has the simple property of being able to reflect the sun's radiation. Once the ozone layer was formed plants and animals moved to land. Eventually plants evolved and now produce O2. The problem with aresols and other CFCs is that when they reach the atmosphere they break through the O3 and split the bond, making O and O2. This cannot reflect the sun's radiation. Due to weather patterns the largest whole in the ozone layer happens to be over Australia. This is why they have incredibly higher skin cancer rates. The hole in the ozone layer is caused completely by human intervention in the natural process.

The greenhouse effect is nothing more than greenhouse gasses collecting in our atmosphere. These gasses can trap the sun's heat. These gasses work in the same way as the glass around a greenhouse. The rate of which the temperature is increasing is incredibly overestimated, however, it is important to note that minor increases in temperature(lets say 10degrees) will actually melt many glaciers over time. This will raise the ocean level. This raise in sea level will displace millions of people.

Great logic this site has...

wow.. that is the feel good website of the summer....

Has it occured to anyone that mankind plays quite an insignificant role in this situation, i believe i read somewhere that we produce approximately 2% of these green house gases, now i'm not saying it doesn't matter, but it would seem to me that this would seem to be a natural effect....


...course mass deforestation can't help >_>


and that website is a pile of shite, it really is, i mean, common, venus is closer to the sun after all...

Actually we do a lot more than that... I dunno where you read that, but I'm sure it was the opposite of that site.

You forgot Asteroids. We could all die if an Asteroid Strikes.

And the relation between global warming and asteroids would be what, exactly?

the whole asteroids problem is the same at the problem that on day in a couple thousand years neptune and pluto will colide and set uranus off wich will then after anouther thousand years (or so) collide with saturn wich then to jupiter and then mar wich will collide with earth, whoever is living on earth in that point in time, i dont really care about, just like theres a rumor that the moon will collide with earth, while in fact the moon is drifting away from earth.
and another rumor is that because of erosion and tides one day earth will re form in pangea.


all of these rumor (including the green house affect one) arnt going to afftect anyone for a long time, and i dont really have to much concern for my great great great great great great grandchildren

and there in, lies the problem, the attitude i don't care it won't effect me is exactly why we're doing what we're doing, if we could nip this in the bud, by reducing the pollutants to a bare minimum then we're giving the future generations of the planet more of a chance to fix it when they know how

This effect of heat is comming from me.

Damn i'm hot.

There's a lot of misconceptions in this thread. The first and most obvious is the greenhouse not effecting us until a long time. The truth is we have already begun to see serious effects and it is something that is affecting us now. Look up the skin cancer rates in Australia. It is one of the leading causes of death for that country. It is currently getting worse, but we are getting a grip on it. Bush has recently passed laws which allow businesses to pollute more in an effort to help the economy, but we need to stop putting nature second and ourselves first.

The other major misconception was when you said "while in fact the moon is moving away from the earth". If you have ever learned anything about astrology you would know that planets move in elliptical patterns. Now if you have learned about ellipses, you would know that if you stretch an elipse, the two inner walls move in. Therefore, if you really think about it... it is impossible for the moon to "drift away from earth".

"all of these rumor (including the green house affect one) arnt going to afftect anyone for a long time"
I wasn't aware the greenhouse effect was a rumor. You must be the smartest person on earth for figuring out the truth.

and here, jajay, is why people flame you, you just put narth down in what was an otherwise a civil debate, it was totally unessecary to add a sarcastic comment, you don't agree with narth, that doesn't give you the right to try and insult their intelligence

I'm sorry Narth...

It's just that when someone says something so ridiculously [refraining myself here.. hey it's progress] I have a knee-jerk reaction to point it out to them.

by all means disagree, i happen to disagree with narth on so many levels (even ones i didn't know existed) but the point of discussion is not to say "you're wrong you big poopie head" or words to that effect, try to be more diplomatic

progress! i know this doesnt have much to do with the thread, but i wanted to point out to you, Jay, that you are making serious progress here. grats.

as i said before, global warming IS happening, but its happening naturally. It has nothing to do with O3 levels, or CO2 otr anything like that. its something that has gon on fo reternity and we mortal humans have one super incredible ability that we may never even understand. we can reason, and because of this ability to reason and use tools we can adapt far quicker than any otehr species because we can set the tempo using technology or simple mundane items to set the tempo of our adaptation as we see fit.

yes:global warming is happening, but who gives a f--k?

as to the asteroid bulls--t, well that there sums it up. was that based on the movie Armageddon™? that never has happened except for 4.5billion year ago when the earth was formed. are you telling me its a 4.5billion year cycle? psycho? mmmhmmm.

Global warming has little to do with the ozone layer. I pointed it out because the issues go hand in hand. Many of the CFCs destroying the ozone layer are also greenhouse gases.

You mentioned that the earth goes through climatic cycles. That is true. However, we are the first species to throw the cycle out of wack. The change in climate is not so great as you may think. We are only 7 degrees Fahrenheit warmer now than the planet was during the last ice age. We have already increased the temperature by one degree in the past 100 years. It is estimated that we could raise it another 2 to 6 over the next 100 years. This will cause our glaciers to melt, increased rainfall, increased ocean temperatures which will then increase the temperature of the planet even greater, the sea level will rise displacing millions of people. It really isn't something to say "who gives a f--k" to because even if it only raises another 2 degrees over the next century we could witness some serious problems.

lol, silly jay: 1) this doesnt concern us, someone already brought up the point, but il say it again, well be dead in 100 years.
2)yes...who gives a f--k? one degree...not a very big deal, and if this is going to be such a major problem...humans can reason, thus we can adapt.

and i think itd be cool if we all became atlanteans.

OH NO! my soup is burning! im off!

you could drown right now is a tsunami caused by a glacier melting washed out England, Ireland, and Scotland. You're far too immature.

I think she was trying to be funny. People don't realize what a few degrees can do over time... it's more serious than most may think.

That's pretty much my point.

EDIT: Silly, silly acidteardrop. small asteroids have been gunned at us for centuries. Any minute now, BIG DADDY might come around. We have lots of NEAR(near earth asteroid rock) orbiting us. One of them might get sucked in anytime.

i have one word for both of you: we can adapt!

i have one word for you: JOKE (as in 'this site is probably a JOKE')

I feel the need to mention that the ozone layer did not, in fact, appear for many millions of years after the formation of the planet, and ozone is still produced to this day. It arises from electrical discharges and engine emissions, and in the lower atmosphere is a rather poisonous pollutant.

That's three words.

Unless you divide them equally between two people. Then it's one and a half words for each person.

I guess this is in response to my post so I'll reply.
The earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old. About 1 billion years ago simple plant life began producing O3 and the ozone layer was not formed until about 600 or 800 million years ago. It was actually billions of years, not millions. And although some modern technology can produce O3, it is not found naturally in nature. What we do produce is next to nothing. I am also unsure about this, but I do not believe the O3 we produce re-collects itself within the ozone layer.

But theoretically, since we know how to produce it, couldn't we do just that?

The problem with the ozone we create is that it never makes it to the "ozone layer" which I believe is in the stratosphere. Our ozone just kinda lingers and poisons our air as Fuzzy mentioned. We can create ozone all we want, all we'll do is poison ourselves. We need to get it to the ozone layer which takes millions of years for it to settle up there.

EDIT: At least this is what I have been told by numerous college professors in the past. I have done no current research and I may be mistaken.

yeah, but my idea was to make it in the upper atmosphere, where it needs to be. Thereby replenishing the ozone.

I don't think it's scientifically possible to do that right now. I remember thinking the same thing.

ok, and explination to what i said...
it is proven in about 3 thousand years pluto and neptune will collide because of there intersecting orbits and the natural shifting it them, and it will throw off the orbit of the nearest planet wich will then proceed to hit the next on and so on... and frankly i dont really care what happens to whoevers on earth at that time, but that aslo doesnt mean i dont care about the enviroment but if we didnt use the resorses that were there we would have cars computers homes and alot of the anti viruses that we have today because of the lose of electricity powering the machiens that have a major part in them .you cant point a finger and say "you drive a car your a killer" and the whole skin cancer thing... leading cause of skin cancer: sun bathing, wich is the persons choice and the persons fault you cant really blame me for causeing somone to have skin cancer because i drive a 89 honda accord, its just a rather silly thing to do. the climate changes naturally so do the seasons remimber the ice age? what did somone whip out a car and drive around to make gasses so that the heat couldnt escape the earth???

one of largest pollutents in america is the power station powering YOUR* computer, should i call you a hypocrit??


edit: (sorry i quoted the wrong person that was ment a jay not you sps. sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry)

im going to try to go a bit deeper into this

no cars: we could all deal with that

no power stations: no power

no power: no life support, wich mean if somthing happened to you and you needed life supprt your dead. fewer anti-viruses, meaning that if you got sick you were probibly dead. fewer jobs, people do work at power stations, coal mines, and in the logging industry, so there familys go hungry and die. no heating so you get sick and then you die.

no logging: no homes, the people that worked there have no jobs, and a loss in one of the heating sorces lost

no mineing: (see logging)

so we save the enviroment for further generations, but how many people are going to be alive to see it???

Logging can be fine if it's done right. Managed forests are grown so that you can have a constant supply of wood, without needing to carve up natural ones which can't take the damage.

i know im just trying to make the point if you stopped everything wed all be screwed over.

scary....we definitely need to do something...but it looks like a situation where we're damned if we do and damned if we dont because we aren't willing to see whats right infront of our faces

maybe...we should write a bunch of letters to whomever runs each of our countries....lmao like bush would listen though

you're wrong, our way of life would be screwed over, of course the human race has always used natural materials, but unchecked, they would/will run out eventually

Why are you blaiming people for accusing you of polluting and causes other people to die? That's a bit selfish if you ask me.

All that has been mentioned is the changes that have occured to date and the way we are moving in the future. There are consequences of what we do now that will influence the future. Computers are not a major pollutant to our environment. Many CFCs and Greenhouse gasses do need to be used less seldom or we could be in some slight trouble over the next couple hundred years.

i rounded

I am so tired of arguing the point with you people. Just...forget it, okay. We're going in f**king circles.

yes, circles are round. j/p

but when such a hot topic was brought up? obviously some people beleive in it and som,e dont, and others feel its no big deal...which it isnt

i was pointing out that the greenhouse effect happens on and off eternally. its like the ebb and flow of the ocean, or even more so like history.

then technically that would make it two words for the pair of them.... 0.5 or higher you round up

and narth, we can, and should generate electricity without burning fossil fuels, the problem is it's cheaper and easier to keep the fires burning, if you covered the roof on every house in the country, i'm using england for an example because i'm english but i think i'm right in guessing that the same could apply to the rest of the world, there would be more than enough to power every light bulb, computer and TV set etc. in the country, and people could do with driving less, if people drove less public transport would be well funded and infinately better, i noticed one of my lecturer's drives to work, he's the person in charge of halls for christ sake!! its a 5-10 minute walk down the hill in the morning and back up in the evening!!

Something that isn't often mentioned about (electricity generating) solar panels is that, with the materials currently used, the amount of energy expended in their manufacture is actually greater than they will produce in their operational lifetime.

That being said, a lot of work is being done to improve the materials and techniques used to reverse that.

<sarcasm>i rounded</sarcasm>

better?

and what about the people that work in those industrys?how do they make a living?

Well, we can flip that around by asking who is going to manufacture and maintain the alternative equipment for energy generation.

*point up* what he said