with all thats going on, to me homophobia isnt as big of a problem as biphobia. currently im getting nothing but sh-t from my "family" (whom ive as of a few mintes ago disowned) for being bi. my older sister (who is also bi, but shes still ni the closet, shes only told me and one other person) just called me something...something i cant even f--king repeat, but its abotu the worst thing you can call a bi person. it means youd just f--k anyone and everyone. i dont get it, why do people rag on other for their sexuality?

i have one mor point i want to discuss, and that is; why do you insult someones sexuality? i see the word f-- being thrown around like its nothing, but it is something, its a horrible derrogitory name. jsut felt like this IS an issue and should be discussed.

Basically. people are afraid of anything they do not understand. Ignorance causes hostilities, especially between families.

The only way to look at is if everyone where the same then the world would be a boring place to live!

There are always going to be homophobes out there all we have to do is look upon them with pity.

i agree with Marge... people are hostile against things they dont understand...




becuae they are trying to make themselves seem better then the other person.. they are probably very insecure or just total a$sholes

sorry you've been taking shit. I hate homophobes.

correction: I hate it when people *are* homophobic. That's a quality that I dislike. I wouldn't hate someone soley for that reason. It takes a few more.

yea no one where i come from respects different sexuality other than being straight, which i dont approve of because i have gay friends that go through a lot of crap from this little community and i'm tired of it, as i'm sure that they are too.

I know the F-word(not fuck)is mightily used, but Bi-ness is like jacking off: They might call you a wanker, but then they go home and beat off. I'm sure that 50% of the people that call others "F@9* and then go and kiss their same-sex friend. Also the media has perpetrated Gays and Bis as being kiddy fiddlers, perverts, murderers, and general not-nice don't-let-little-johnny-talk-to-them type of people. besides, how do you think blacks feel? They're oppresed just as much as gays.

Me, I honestly have no idea what I am.

It's been my experience that those who are homophobic are usually insecure about their own sexulality, often having homosexual feelings of their own. It's quite interesting. Psychology also shows this.

Personally, homophobia makes no sense to me. But then, I think I'm slightly idealistic when it comes to this, no form of prejudice makes ANY sense to me...

before i start, let me just say. acid, i'm REALLY sorry about your dad. parents make mistakes sometimes. and then there's the times where the f*ck up so completely and horribly that it's almost impossible (if possible at all) to forgive them. i hope your dad accepts you and loves you for who you are


homophobia is just like any other predjudice; completely and utterly stupid and pointless to anyone except those who are homophobic/predjudiced. for a lot of people, if you ask them WHY they're like this, then prove each of their points as wrong as you possibly can, start to re-consider their predjudice. one of the people at my school said he was homophobic (not like that obviously). this pissed me off so i asked him why. he said it's a sin to be gay. i asked him what religion he was. he said catholic. i told him that according to christianity, it's not a sin. St. Paul specifically said in one of his epistles (Romans, i believe. i quoted (actually, i think i mis-quoted. hope my teacher doesn't notice ) Romans 6:14 in my paper on St. Paul. it said “For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.” i took 'law' to mean 'the law of the old testament' but i might have gotten it wrong. if i did, it's in there SOMEWHERE. i think the next best guess would be corinthians 1 or 2) that christians are no longer bound by the old testament because of the coming of Jesus. and that nowhere in the new testament (unless, of course, you're one of those people that likes to blatantly mis-translate old hebrew. how do i know it's mis-translated? well, i don't, but one of my friends is in fourth year hebrew and has read the torah in hebrew and he says a lot of it is mistranslated and i believe him. ironically, that's faith right there ) does it specifically mention anything against homosexuals (although i admit it does say in the old testament that any sex for any reason other than having a kid is a sin. however, that passage from leviticus that everyone keeps quoting, 'thou shalt not lie with man as with woman' IS a mistranslation. taken contextually (considering they were just talking about the followers of molech, who gave 'sexual favors' to their priests), it really means 'don't have sex with priests'. which, sadly enough, is horribly ironic in some churches....). then he said it's unnatural (oh, by the way acid, i'm also giving you some arguments to use for that controlling dad of yours. just doin what i can ). i told him that homosexuality is actually pretty common in the animal kingdom and that there's a species of monkeys that's ENTIRELY bisexual. etc. etc. now he has the 'there's nothing wrong with gays as long as they keep it to themselves' mentality, which's a f*ckload better than before.

Well... I use the term "queer" a lot in the RW, but I don't mean it insultingly. *shrug*

I live in the midwest USA. Many people here are racist, homophobic, and sometimes just plain stupid. So I don't go around telling people I'm bi. Although once in the lunchroom I stood up and yelled "I'm a lesbian" as loud as I could. T'was fun.

Anyway. As a side note - I've noticed that people tend to emulate who they fear. There's a guy in a couple of my classes that pretends to be black - you know, with the clothes and his manner of speaking. He's afraid of African-Americans, though. Anyhoo, just thought that was an interesting little observation.

I personally dont understand homophobia or homophobes I mean i'm straight i have no problem with gay people i've been out drinking with them and consider a few to be my friends. also human history is filled with homosexuality its not a new thing, i cant understand the fear of it at all.

hmm so the suggestion is some people just have to be annoying bigots or they cant survive the day

homophobes are that far back in the closet the left Narnia a few hours ago....

the only thing i like about homophobes is how squirmy they get when you try to hit on them... then you reject them! muahahahaha, i once told this extreme homophobe chap that he had nothing to worry bout, he didnt do it for me, i think i hurt his feelings... he is actually quite nice now...we talk etc....

homophobes = the infinite evil

had to sum that up! or, even better:

PREJUDICE = THE GREATER EVIL! muahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Fal xXx

scarves for all, made from the wool of prejudice free sheep!

Homophobes are just insecure people who deserve our pity.

i dont think it's pity that they deserve

homophobes scare me but Biophobes are worse...at my school we have a pretty large number of both and i dont understand it...I think they are scared of what they dont understand....which has already been said but I'm just saying I agree with it full heartedly...But why they do it I dont know...maybe they just donyt know anybetter...their parents may not have raised them right or something....or maybe they just think it makes them look "cool" to pick on the "minority" (I put it in ""'s cause in someplaces it is and in some places it's not but in alot of places even if it's not...people think it is...) when all in all it just makes them look like an A**...nd it really does...even people that ARE homophobic dont like other people to be homophobic (speaking from expirence...and not a good one lol ) so yeha in truth I dont think anyone really knows what drives a bully or anyone else that just truely doesn't understand...

*gets off soap box after a small speach that didn't really acomplish anything*

i completely agree with debasers statement (couldn't say it better myself)

well, as a bisexual... i think i do understand some of the fear when it comes to my sexuality... i don't understand blatant hatred for something they view as "unnatural" when the same sex love that i have experienced has been just as great and as pure (if not better) than the hetero relationships i have been a part of.

but again, i DO, from a relationship standpoint understand the threatening feeling. twice as many people to be jealous of, and if you haven't built real trust early on, it is hard to know when you are safe. as a result, i think outsiders have a reflected feeling of this same nature. they don't know where they stand personally with a bisexual. "are they hitting on me? or my girlfriend?"

i have a bad habit of flirting with, mostly, only people i wouldn't actually ever date. seems safer that way. but to someone who doesn't know me, that could be disconcerting.

wow. i'm gonna shut up now.

I dont really understand the people who commit acts of violence agains homosexuals and bi's then call it homophobia. if its a phobia then arnt they afraid of them dont they wanna be as far away as they can be. i mean have you ever seen someone with aracnaphobia walk up to a spider and start harrasing it, or physicaly injuring it, i dont think so.

Homophobia works a lot differently. You're comparing apples to oranges. Homophobia breeds anger which breeds hatred. Homophobic people hate homosexuals because they fear them. If you want to compare, an arachnaphobe may used his fear to feul an utter hatred toward all things arachnid and go on a stomping spree. This sounds goofy as hell and should considering that we are, indeed, comparing apples to oranges.

i think that it should just be girls with guys and guys with girls.

Uhm. Okay. Do you have any actual reasons as to why?

ok

My dad? You're confusing me with Acidteardrop.

And why exactly is it weird? If you think it's unnatural...well, there are many examples of homosexuality in the animal kingdom.

If you're a homophobe, why are you posting to say it in .. a thread full of pro-open relationship people? That seems a tad masochistic to me.

And more importantly, why are you on this forum?

People like you make me sad. You go and hate something you can't even UNDERSTAND and have no reasons as to why. Yeesh. Try taking a glance at the world around you aside from your petty little middleschool relationships.

You should be ashamed.

uh mmkay? i dont HATE them its just totally different? as i said before. Girls and Guys, Guys And Girls. NO offence to anyone whos gay or lesbian or bisexual or black or aisan.

Or black or asian?

Oh wow. That entire post made me laugh. Aside from Dayan's reviews and Sean's call, it's all I got.

Homophobia means you're afraid of it. Hence the phobia. That doesn't mean you just think it 'different'. Would you care to recant previous statement?

black or asian? Wha? Are you trying to equate races with sexual orientation? How is that at all related? Were you dropped on the head as an infant? Did you eat paint chips as a child? How do you equate who someone wants to screw with where one's ancestors originated?

Really. I want to know your reasoning behind this.

S/he already stated s/he had no reasoning for this.

It's a purely ignorant statement based on nothing other than the thought that people uniting with similar genetalia is wrong. Now come the f--k on, how is it wrong? Biology was made for a reason, yes, but if "God" so intended it people wouldn't unite despite their gender, you'd think he'd have made it a little tougher for that to happen.

So if I here one of you biggots using that, I'm going to get possibly ruder.

Right Syuu, my fault. I assumed that people would at least have some sort of half baked logic behind their idiotic statements. Silly me, eh? I guess death, child molestation, starvation and pollution just aren't bad enough evils for some people. They have to go after the evils that are really abhorrent. Like a boy kissing another boy. Because you know, we simply have too many people loving each other. We should encourage people who want to kiss people of the same gender to hate themselves and hide themselves from their family and friends. They should feel ashamed. The should feel afraid. They should be publicly mocked, psychologically damaged and physically assaulted. Being gay isn't a crime but it might as well be.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

You really are the master, dear titi Jaq. =)

I also am confused by all prejudice. Also, on the topic of homosexuality and bisexuality being a sin. I don't remember the verse or its exact words. But there was a Bible verse (from the new testament) I saw on another message board* that I interpreted as "Be heterosexual if you can, but if you can't it's perfectly fine." This would also fit in with Christianity's love all no matter what point of view. So basically, I'm saying, people can be the sexuality that they want to be, it doesn't matter to me, and in my interpretation it doesn't matter to Jesus either. Just putting in my 2 cents. *walks of muttering about prejudiced narrow-minded people*

*if anyone wants to search for the thread/post it was the Snopes.com message board

ok, the thing about homophobes is that their only justification for their predjudice is that they just don't understand homo/bi sexuals. don't ask someone to explain their predjudices; they can't.

oh, and read the rules. closed-minded homophobia is not tolerated.

Why Homophobia is Stupid
By Selmisha Green
Personally I am a straightopobe... I think that straight people are weird.. They have to breed all the time.. and are always buying mini vans... and they have no sense of style.. and they are always trying to convert everyone to be straight... and most of them are child molesters... all those straight shows on TV are corrupting our children.... if it wasn’t for those two straight people we would have never been kicked out of the garden of Eden... ehhhhh and how they have sex is soooo gross... it just creeps me out... yuck... so when was the first time you thought you where straight? maybe it is just a phase you will grow out of? How do you know you are not homosexual if you have never tried it? Doesn’t heterosexual just feel.....un-natural? hum... what did your parents think when they found out you where straight? Maybe you should go see a doctor? There are straight to gay programs you can join.. and support groups.... where you born straight or was it a choice?
hummm...

*end sarcasm*

That's absolutely freakin' hilarious. I almost fell out of my chair. I never liked homophobes but that put it into an entirely different viewpoint. Because I know if I thought you were serious I'd be insulted. It's also a good thing I'm not a people-who-are-wittier-than-meaphobe.

I'm gonna start this by syaing i HATE homophobes and homophobia in all its forms-though I'm straight. It just makes me angry. but one of teh big problems is the way people who arent really homophobic at all if they'd think about it will SAY "Thats so gay" if they just dont like it, or that f-word as a normal insult as harmless as twit. it just gives this idea that its a bad thing, this negative image deep in our society. its like once people who didn't actually have anything really against bl;ack people would say "untrustowrthy as a nigger," or something along those lines. my point is not 2 put racism and homophobia in the same box but to point out that that bit of casual social put-downs has stopped, this could too.
I'm not a fan of political correctness either. makes my fists itch but i guess u have 2 start somewhere right?

sometimes you need a insider’s perspective to understand how bad it hurts and offends. Plus I am really good at being a sarcastic twat..

Every night I pray that Meghan's and Mandy's respective families learn to accept the whole situation. THey're getting better. Mandy's dad un-disowned her and Meghan's family actually acknowledges Mandy's existance ("that other girl"). When Meghan and her dad were buying a bed for Meghan's, Mandy's and Meghan's half-sister's apartment, Meghan wanted a queen-size bed. Meghan's dad asked, "Why would you whant a bed that...Nevermind." So, there is hope on the horizon.

That very good to know. It's always nice when people who did'nt understand it finally do.

I know that to us, people that despise homophobia (and thus HAVE a fscking brain <<), think the people who support said belief are morons and we can't understand why they do so. It's as simple as this: people are scared of change. And it's in human nature to reactly hateful or violently towards that change. Just think back to those hunters who hunted animals in The Stone Age. It's just the way things have become.... *sigh*

Dont be Gay.

Only if you stop being a moron first.

dito



anyway...I honestly dont see how anyone CAN be homophobic...I mean what's the point? if you like guys and your a guy great...if you like girls...great also...even if you like girl and dont think it's right to like guys...great for you as long as you dont try and make other people stop being who they are just cause you dont agree...it's one thing if you say "I dont agree with it but I wont try and make anyone feel bad about it" and if you say "I hate gays" (I dont think anyone has had the balls to say anything like this yet...But you get my point...dont discriminat (sp?) agenst others just cause they aren't the same as you) so just dont do it...if you have a belife...state it but also respect other people's belifes...


(ummm...I know that that's filled with a butt load of spelling mistakes...sorry I'm not at the top of my game today...)

....and here we have a homophobic idiot, kiddies. Notice the capital letter on the words ''Gay'', like it's some kind of disease or infection. Oh no, GeekRocker, the scary gay people will come and get you! Arrrgh! We must run and hide!!!!

Hehe, you utter fucking morons make me both laugh and cry....

are you saying "god" has not tryed hard to stop this? He intedned on it being guys w/ girls and girls g/ guys. in the bible theres a verse that says something about it. i'll find it one day. This shoulndt be an arguement. We're all just stateing an oppinion.

all I have to say is....some of us dont belive in god so why do we have to follow his rules?

Homophobia is a fear of (ie. a strong dislike of) homosexuals and homosexual activity.

There's a HUGE difference between being straight and not having any interest in gay relationships and being homophobic. Would you like to redefine yourself at this point or do you still think that this is an accurate description of yourself?

Part of the difference is that straight people are welcome on this forum and homophobes are not.

was that to me?

Nah....I think it was to Geek and Partay....

I don't think it's really that hard not to be homophobic. I remember when Meghan came out, I just asked her to let me take a few hours to process it. Once I did, it was cool. As I came more into contact with the "Rainbow Squad" at my high school, my horizons were gradually broadened and it was all gravy. Now I'm a real "whatever" kind of guy in that department. I guess it's because I grew up in a rather accepting family that I'm cool with a lot of things. I mean, even I have my limits, but I'm not like power afraid of people different than I.

"Dont be Gay."

not only is that impossible for gay people, but it just might have been the dumbest comment ever made on this forum. congrats, you deserve an award. oh, wait, no you don't. homophobic moron.

"are you saying "god" has not tryed hard to stop this?"

yes, there are still millions of gay people in the world. god's omnipotent, if he wants to change some genes, he can. he MADE them in the first place, so changing them can't be too hard.

"He intedned on it being guys w/ girls and girls g/ guys.

"in the bible theres a verse that says something about it."

glad i found this before sean, he'd've stolen my brilliant argument away from me.
ok, here's a few things YOU should know about your bible (which you obviously don't)
1) if you are christian, then god has nothing against gay people. although it is true that the old testament states that all sex not for the purpose of having a child is a sin, one of St. Paul's epistles states that christians are no longer bound by the old testament. that means old testament laws DO NOT APPLY TO CHRISTIANS
2) the verse you're talking about is in leviticus. this means that argument #1 applies to it. not only that, but in 'thou shalt not lie with man as with woman', the word 'man' is mis-translated out of the hebrew. i mean, the hebrew word has MANY meanings. man IS one of them, but if you read it contextually (the store was just talking about the followers of molech (that's a religion, in case you couldn't figure it out) who are supposed to give 'sexual favors' to their priests), 'man' means 'priest' (yes, in case you haven't noticed, this word has a vague meaning and a lot of them, and 'priest' is one of them). that in itself is ironic considering the catholic church of today, but that's a different matter entirely...

"i'll find it one day."

no you won't. because it doesn't exist

"This shoulndt be an arguement."

you're right. because homophobes are not allowed on this forum.

"We're all just stateing an oppinion."

'don't be gay' is not an opinion. and besides, your opinions are stupid and closed-minded homophobia and are not tolerated. very simple, really.

I would very much like to see Dark Protector and Theresapartay defend their arguments and beliefs. So far they've done nothing but post baseless, homophobic remarks. Are we going to get a sensible argument? Or is this just going to be another ban?