[edit]i just noticed that i named the topic wrong. its supposed to be Oppression and the Tyrranical Control of adults. if a mod could please change it thatd be great, thanks[/edit]

this sh*t makes me sick. i hate it when adults abuse their powers over children, then try to justify it with "your not mature enough" or some sh*t like that.

so heres what happened (and i apologize for any unedited swears):

today, in first period, i put my head down on my desk and started sobbing. no big deal, right? i mean, we have a right to express our emotions in non-harmful ways, and here i was expressing my emotions in a non harmful way--i was crying. the reason i was crying is because of all the sh*t thats been going on with my friends...some's parents have died, some have confessed to being raped, some have had horrendous [sexist] things happen to them (i.e.:sexual harassment and attempted rape, etc.). so i cried. BIG F--KING DEAL! the teacher comes over to me, tries to talk to me, but i said all i wanted to do was cry. and i did. and i didnt talk, nor did i want to. i mean, f--k i have a RIGHT to remain silent (yes, you have this right all the time, not just when your being arrested). she then said "why dont you go to the nurse." i said, "no, i think ill just sit here in class...i have work to do." which was true, i did have work and despite my tears i WAS doing my work. "youre going to guidance," she tells me. okay, since when did someone who isnt even my parent, but since when does ANYONE have a right to tell me what to do? i said, "no, i think ill just stay here." thats when the problems started. she threatened to fail me if i did not go to guidance, im like "WHAT THE FUCK!" but i went anyways. let them waste their time, i was asked not to tell anyone what happened, so i wont. but i can still cry about it. i got to the guidance office, sat down, and the counselor there said, "what grade are you in?" i, not wanting ot talk at all, didnt tell her. i just sat there, staring blankly at the "i love Krysta" written on both of my shoes. she then had about 6 other people (adults) come in. this was just after she told me she "didnt want this to get to anyone else." they were all nagging me. thye then called the school police officer in. it was at that point i had had enough. "IM NOT F--KING TALKING!" i yelled. calmly, i then walked past them all to the door. the smallest lady you ever did see threw herself against it. with little effort, the door was open and i was almost out of that hellhole. it was at that moment that the door on the other side of the secretaries office, the door i needed to go through, opened and in stepped a blue uniformed black man. 'Sh*t,' i thought, 'there goes freedom.' i then said a nice long monologue to them, that i cannot remember word for word, that if those emotionless, uncaring pricks had any sympathy at all would have just let me go there. i said sh*t like, "your making it worse, holding me against my will, trying to make me talk. all i want to do is go to class, talk to my freinds about my problems, indeed they are the only ones who care." that was the gist of it. they then all moved about, exasperated and fed up with my bullsh*t, their business. of course, they positioned the officer in a chair by the door. there was a window in the secretaries office, it led into the hallway. the bell rang for classes to change. looking out the window, i saw one of my friends, so i opened the window to say hi and tell them all thats going on so i didnt feel so bad about it, and i might have been more willing to say something useful to the adults. i got the window opened, called my friends attention, and was pulled to the ground by the officer, none too gently mind you. "WHAT THE FUCK WAS TAHT FOR!?!?" i screamed, but by then he had the window shut. there goes my contact to the outside world. he told me i was trying to escape. he didnt ask me if i was, or what i was doing, he TOLD me i was trying to escape. since when could adults dictate our actions to us? anyways, they called my dad in. he stood me up for an hour, and when he got there he passively said "i forgot." FORGOT!? you forgot about your own f--king son/daughter! what the fuck is wrong with you! *sigh* anyways, the adults went into the room, then made me go in after they had their private discussion about me. they forced me to say everything, promsing me that they wouldnt tell anyone and after i said what was bothering me i could go back to class.

at this point i would like to sincerely apologize to everyone here who told me secrets and asked me not to tell. i had no choice. i understand if you refuse to forgive me.

i...i told them everything. it was a deluge of tears for me, and it seemed to give them all smug expressions, like they were saying, "HA! we win, stupid kid!" it hurt bad enough to be forced to break promises to my friends whove had some bad experiences. i then stood up. once again, the officer came in and pforced me back into the chair. at this point it was getting abusively rough the way he did it. a bunch of stupid shit happened...
when that little meeting was done, i was given a choice. either go home with my dad for the day or i will be arrested. i was done. but i wanted to talk to my freinds..they were the only ones who cared and no matter what they can always make it feel better. i explained this many times, if i ould jsut see my freinds...they could patch the wounds. i was refuted every time. so grudginly i went home with my dad, suspended for the rest of the day only they said.
whatever...at this point i needed krys more than anything...more than my very breath...indeed it would be welcome to die of asphyxiation then. later they called...they said i was suspended until further notice...if not expelled.

so ther you have it...ive been suspended because i cried. a note to everyone- crying in schools is no longer legal--even though i used to do it all the time.

im here for u no matter what Erik, u can always tlak to me. IM sorry this happened, and knowing sum of the things u probbaly had to tell them were things i have told u and asked u to keep, im not angry in any way. I know how it is and i have been in similar situations. I dont think they are allowed to do that, i think it might be against the law.... *sighs**hugs* i dont know what to say sweetie, all i can say is im here for you... no matter what

OMFG THATS UTTER BOVINE SECREATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't believe that they would do that to you, sometimes I despise adults...wait not somtimes, all the time. Im sorry that you had to tell some of our secrets, if it makes you feel better though I'm not mad at you. It wasn't your fault, you might've been able to make something up but in that kind of situation its hard to think. Im sorry hun. ::huggles::

Jesus Im sorry - thats just such crap

that's more than just horrible. acid, i'm really, really sorry for you. they call that 'guidance'? guidance my *ss. that's not just horrible, if that officer WAS abusive, that was downright illegal. i mean, f*cking hell, what they did is just wrong. in every possible way. my only advice is don't resist them. i mean, it's f*cking unfair, but doing that just makes it worse.

ok, first off is a disclaimer, i'm not saying you were treated fairly, but don't you think you acted a little...well a little over the top?

crying class, while not against the rules can be disruptive, if the teacher noticed then the rest of the kids did and to be fair you were probably the only kid doing work, sending you to counciling is probably standard proceedure for any student and as you seem to have refused every request your teacher made prior to that, it probably seemed to her that her only alternative was to tell you to the councillor. now in the councillers office, you didn't have to say exactly what was on your mind, but you should have told them something, something along the lines of having a lot on your mind and it getting on top of you, it happens to the best of us and it never hurts to have a little cry every once in a while and you didn't break any of your promises to your friends and they would have understood, exercising your right to remain silent was probably a mistake, while you know what going on in your mind no one else does, besides they're professionals, they're not going to go gossiping behind you back, now i know its set in your mind that they couldn't give a sh1t they probably do on some level, by remaining silent you let their imaginations run wild, in their minds you could be being bullied or sexually assulted on a regular basis and to scared to tell anyone for fear of reprisal, the fact you tried to walk out wouldn't have helped any either, you could have been going anywhere and seeing as they had no idea what going on in your head their imaginations ran wild again, you could be going to try and slit your wrists, they don't know any better! same for the window moment, you just went for the window, how did they know you were going to talk to your friends, you'd tried to escape once already, your past actions simply suggested you might do it again.

i'm sorry to be the one to say this and you can call me whatever you want but it seems you bought the worst case scenario on yourself by acting what appears to have been irrationally, plus you probably embelished slightly, everyone does it, we only have your word on this....

http://maddox.xmission.com knows that most people are f*ckwits and utter c_nts. This'll make you feel better.

No offence intended, but no matter how upset you are, how bad things are going, how rough your life is...that teacher was trying ot do her job. She did as she should of done...ie - send you to guidance.
Adults aren't out to get you. You may not believe it, but they're there to help you as well as guide you. They're been in this world a good deal longer than you. Cut them some slack

Adults and teachers are supposed to HELP, not force anything from anyone. When a person is held against their will or restricted to an area by teachers due to problems that are beyond school then it only makes matters worse. If they let the studend talk to his/her friends then that would be helping the student to feel better. The only reason a teacher should have done the stated above was if they saw physical evidence that the pupil was going to physically harm themselves. And by the way, from the sounds of it he wasnt SENT to guidance, he was FORCED to it; pressing a situation will only make matters worse and thus more difficult.


As for william wallace -- most of the issues in there are funny (i've been there before) but some of them are way to extreme. Although it does get the point across that people can be just plain stupid and cruel.


::huggles acidteardrop::

that's true. however, assuming that this isn't exaggerated (which it could be. none of us have any idea though), they didn't exactly handle the situation that well. i mean, the teacher obviously needed to do something, but threaten to fail acid?

Well, there's a tricky thing. It's very easy to have 20-20 hindsight, but at the time people generally try to do what seems best. The other thing is that when you are at school the teachers are in loco parentis, meaning that they are given full charge of the students. That's where the authority of a school is derived from - your parents give responsibility for you to the school, which sure as hell isn't an easy thing for a teacher with a full class.

/me was a very bad student who now wishes he hadn't given his teachers hell.

UPDATE: i am NOT going to be expelled, and im going to be back in skool monday.
the finally said that the reason i was suspended is that they thought i was going to hurt myself. they then changed it to im going to hurt someoen else, cos i pointed out that that was REALLY stupdi as im more likely to hurt myself at home.

you are definitely allowed to express your feelings... and i agree with some, that the teacher was trying to do their job, but this is where it sucks with adults:

doing your job.

you have no right to make a kid talk about their problems. if the kid in question is upset, they have a right to keep their silence. just as adults do. if a teacher was crying, their coworkers wouldn't force them to talk.
i'm saying all this because i always suspect there's politics behind it... obviously, you were upset and the staff was trying to make sure you were ok, and that you wouldnt disrupt class, and if you needed to talk you could. but if it didn't help, and if you just wanted to have a minute... then they had no right. they certainly had no right to suspend you.
back to my point:
what pisses me off: that they feel like "policy and procedure" are proven tactics, like you have to treat a situation a certain way to fix it. when teenagers are all exceptions, and emotions are SO important to becoming who you will become... teachers need to listen to students, and not treat them like numbers, or seat warmers...

im sorry this happened to you... but at least you got out of class!

I would've taken th arrest, there you could cry all you want and when you are done, you have a nice juicy lawsuit on how your rights have been violated.

The Right to Remain Silent
You are not required to tell the police or anyone else anything about the charges against you. Do not talk to anyone about your case unless your Assistant Public Defender is with you.

Looks to me like those jarps have violated the highest law in the land. I'd call an attorney or social services right away.

I would not waste police time in such a frivolous manner as to get arrested simply to bring a lawsuit.

Rather than leaping up and grabbing attorneys at the slightest provocation there are many ways to solve problems. Trying to extort money from public services really isn't a good response to a problem.

The automatic response of dragging anybody who offends you to court is extremely irresponsible.

Fuzzy summed that up for me. I agree with him there. I am against pointless lawsuits. I am often the one making fun at the idle lawsuit. i.e. the lady who sued Dunkin Donuts for her coffee being too hot.

That's crazy. I have told countless councellors and adults that I will only talk to my friends about my problems, not some person I never met and doesn't know me.

I agree with your teacher for taking you out of the class, it's disruptive to have someone crying in the middle of class, but you shouldn't have been forced into talking or staying in the office. I am so stubborn and wouldn't have talked at all, but that's just me. I don't want to give them the satisfaction.

As for arresting you for being emotionally upset, I mean come on that's bull.

I think some form of formal complaint should be made, you were definitely treated unfairly. That whole thing just makes me mad....

Rarrgghh..

Ocean..

Wow. That seems really truly horrible. Well, past horrible and awful. It's repulsive how they treated you, ATD, if in fact nothing's being exaggerated (which I'm assuming it isn't). I mean, I understand that the teacher was trying to do her job, but threatening to fail you if you didn't go to guidance seems a bit over the top... I get that she was trying to help you, but if you already refused to go, and they forced you to talk etc., you are being denied the right to remain silent, however ludicrous it may seem to you. She may have had your best interests at heart, but that just wasn't a good way to handle the situation... Grrr... Good luck...

What the $#^%@$^#$&#??????? How dare they do that????? That's it. It's rebellion time. They have no right to treat you like that! If I were you I woulda beat them all up! Don't worry though. If you ever wanna talk, I'll listen.

Oh my god. I can't believe they did that!! That's not right at all! Shyte, you should be able to cry if you feel like crying! Dumb arse adults<_<. I'm so sorry. *pats back*

Ok, you need to consider one thing, with every right you have a responsibility.

I understand ATD that you had a lot going in your head at the time, but, you also were a bit disruptive to those around you, as quiet as you may have been.

The teacher had no choice but to act on the limited training they had to avoid a possible lynching. Crying for you is fine, but it's a private matter for you and those you love. Not just randomly pop in the middle of a class.

Once the teacher was unable to make you stop, she/he had to ask you to leave.

(I would have taken the time to go home, call freinds or just weep out loud in my private space)

Once you arrived to the office, the rules didn't change, they had to interfere, remember now everything points to either a possibly disturbed violent teen , or a homocidal kid in their mind. They can't empathize with your grief if you don't share. They aren't there to let you weep in their ears, they had things to do.

Now the "officer", he gets called in to deal with troubled kids, he didn't know any better what you were up to. He acted on an assumption. And you moving towards the window? Yeah, I would have thought the same. He wasn't in your head, what would you do if you walked in and you hear this kid screaming at people? Yeah, you were a threat in his eyes to them , him and yourself, He's thinking this. He doesn't want to deal with the kid, he has a job, and he was being pulled out of his duty to watch you, yes, this was a great inconvenience to them all. Sad, huh?

I am not justifying the way they did things, I am however pointing out that you had a choice, as is your right, to make an outcome.

You made the call, they reacted according to their training, or lack of, unfortuantely for you, it wasn't a pleasant outcome.

And as far as being made to tell "them" what troubled you, trust me they weren't enjoying what they were hearing, but they had no control over the sitautions you talked about. They had their hands tied. They dealt with what they could control, and that was you, ATD.

I am happy that you're not forever banned. Pick your battles kiddo. And some personal responsibility works wonders. As in the matrix, some rules can be bent and some broken, and do you really think that's air you're breathing?


I would do you no good sitting here patting your back saying poor Erick, how cruel they were, there is nothing useful in that. Let's instead, learn that sometimes, adults are too busy to think and they don't read minds.

Peace kid.