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^I scanned this little pamphlet I picked up at mass. See if you can guess my position on this. I'll give you a hint: "Bollocks!!!"

Questions? Comments?

arghhhhhh why does sex always have to be dragged into everything?????

just a question, what church did this come from?

Crack spanking Monkey Wh*r*s!!!
What the hell is wrong with this church? Cant they see that there using religion only as a backdrop the whole point of this play (as far as i can tell from the pamphlet) is that its about discrimination against the gay community.
Behaving in the way that it has is simply creating more of the trouble that the play is trying to express.

If only they'ed tryed it with cheese...

This church happens to be my parish, Saint Paul the Apostle. Catholic. And the only reason I bothered to scan and upload the durn thing is because I vehemently oppose this anti-expression campaign. Not the church. The CAMPAIGN!!

And please don't insult my religious community, as I've been a proud member for some fourteen years. Thanks.

can someone say:

BOVINE SECREATION?

Well, a lot of films about any kind of religion usually kick up some kind of fuss. Of course, insinuating that jesus was gay is asking for it a little bit, especially where some

Does anyone know what other branches of the church have to say about this? Catholics tend to be very 'wrathful' at times.

Also, can i just say whoever designed that leaflet need to be belted around the head with an english high school education? flat empty writing? no colourful borders? pshhhhhhh

Why do we have to drag Jesus into this? As far as I can see, Jesus wasn't homosexual, or heterosexual. He had no sexual relationships... Your church is trying a little hard to accept homosexual people. Just leave it be.

okay

MILK

there, Bovine Secretion at it's finest.

semi-skimmed if possible.

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Right,

Back on topic.

Ocean - I'm not quite sure I understand your position on this church.

You suggest that they are "trying a little hard to accept homosexual people"... having read the scan of the pamphlet I would say that they are dead against the depiction of Christ as a gay... what with the petition to get the mayor to ban it.

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I went to a friend's birthday party in North London a couple of years ago and had to walk past an crowd of very peaceful protesters to get through to the club where the party was at. Only when I got closer did I see the small theator next to the club that was showing this particular play.

Two things struck me: First - how well behaved the crowd were (singing hymns and holding placards - without being abusive and standing back to allow ppl to get through if they wanted to). Secondly from their signs I could see they were from the same Catholic organisation. I'm not trying to argue a point here - I just found it strange... I guess I'm too used to the loonatic fringe in the church screaming at people they don't like. At least they weren't trying to kill anyone as (for example) some extremist Christians have done over the issue of abortion clinics.

Now as a Catholic I feel that Ocean's comment that Jesus was nonsexual is correct. We only have the bible to document him and there's nothing there that even hints at him having a girl or boyfriend (that's Jesus not Ocean).

However my belief in Christ is strong enough for me not to care what anyone says about Jesus, so long as it doesn't make other Christians doubt him, or make non-Christians hate him.

I personally believe that the play was trying to put forward a very powerful message: - that Jesus gave up his life for everyone... including gays and lesbians. For way too long certain elements within the various branches and denominations of the Christian faith have harked back to individual tales in the old testament to justify their HATE CRIME of descriminating against homosexuality. They have had the audacity to misrepresent the teachings of one who has ONLY EVER PROFESSED LOVE AND TOLERATION - perverting his teachings, corrupting his words and deeds to condemn gays, lesbians and bisexuals even excluding them from attending mass.

I am appalled at the way in which many still express their HATE for people in such a manner. With the kind of anger that they do not even express when discussing murderes, rapists or even peadophiles (just look at the way the Catholic church moved priests from parish to parish after it was known they abused children).

Going back to the play - it was intended to provoke debate within the community - it failled to do so. It only sparked disdain and ridicule - possibly because it was too graphic and sexualised Jesus. The idea of a gay Jesus has caused considerable condemnation... but then - so too did the concept of a black Jesus, again - not intended to change the official view - but to show that Jesus was there for EVERYONE - not just the whites (Europeans having depicted Christ as white for centuries). In many respects I feel that the play has missed an opportunity to really make a new statement because it tried to be too daring.

I feel that instead of trying to ban the play, the church should be asking itself why it is still trying to close its doors to any section of our community.