porcelainwarrior
Jan 20 2004, 11:38 AM
OK, yesterday I had to go to my GP and talk to him about sleeping tablets and/or anti-depressants and he's put me on an anti-depressant called Dothiepin, I was wondering if anyone knew anything about it cause I've been trying to look for stuff but it's all really confusing.
I'm on a pretty light dose right now but I'm to go back in a few weeks and he said it'll probably increase. He said he chose it because, asides from feeling down for no particular reason and crying a lot, my main symptoms are insomnia, anxiety (I was supposed to go see him around Christmas cause I had three severe panic attacks within a week and passed out each time), and a pretty much non-existient appetite (illustrated by me now having to go buy all new school clothes as I've lost about 60 pounds (4 stones-ish) in just over 4months). Apparently Dothiepin is good for increasing appetite, helping regulate sleep and relieving anxiety but I also read a lot of bad stuff about it and it's effects on teenagers especially in causing mania and suicide (although it might just be cause it's really easy to accidentally overdose on it).
Basically I wanted to know if anyone had any experience with or knowledge about it and what you guys think.
Gah...I don't even know if I'm depressed or not. A month ago I was told I just had a slight tendancy towards obsessive behaviour and some "anxiety issues"...grr...
Sir Psycho Sexy
Jan 20 2004, 12:03 PM
oh dear god, don't go on anti-depressants!! my mates girlfriend was on those, she said coming off them was very unpleasent (like giving up crack) and she couldn't drink...which should really be a problem...but its just an unfortunate side effect, i don't like anti-depressants, they only cause more problems in the long run (IMHO)
and apparently i'm slightly dependant, so bollocks to psycho-analysis is all i can say
porcelainwarrior
Jan 20 2004, 12:14 PM
edit: mucked up this post, the proper ones underneath
porcelainwarrior
Jan 20 2004, 12:21 PM
Well I'm not too keen on the idea myself to be honest, and I was told I'd probably have to go the doctor a few times, maybe even meet with him and my psychologist and/or a psychiatrist altogether before anything was prescribed but I was there literally five minutes and he gave me a months supply of these pills.
For the difficulty in coming off them, I need to fix out my sleeping pattern and I've been on sleeping tablets before and they were just hell. I felt really ill and completely knackered the whole time I was on them and didn't finish the course but coming off them just made my insomnia worse. This is supposed to be a healthier alternative to that.
And the drinking won't bother me...especially since a few of my friends decided a couple of weeks back that I'm not allowed to drink again until it's all sorted anyways cause I scared them so much at Christmas/New Year and they figure I wouldn't have gotten so upset if I hadn't been drinking...they're probably right.
Sir Psycho Sexy
Jan 20 2004, 12:24 PM
i prefere a ummm....herbal remedy to sleeping problems >_>
porcelainwarrior
Jan 20 2004, 12:30 PM

what?
Wait...damnit...gah...I can't tell if that's a shifty-eye face...you may mean lavendar pillows for all I know...damn my naivety!
If you mean lavendar, I've tried that

If you mean other "herbal remedies" well I haven't tried that...the words "Bad the Laura, boyfriend go angry, Laura go squelch" come to mind...
franken-sarah
Jan 20 2004, 01:05 PM
QUOTE (porcelainwarrior @ Jan 20 2004, 11:37 AM)
OK, yesterday I had to go to my GP and talk to him about sleeping tablets and/or anti-depressants and he's put me on an anti-depressant called Dothiepin, I was wondering if anyone knew anything about it cause I've been trying to look for stuff but it's all really confusing.
I'm on a pretty light dose right now but I'm to go back in a few weeks and he said it'll probably increase. He said he chose it because, asides from feeling down for no particular reason and crying a lot, my main symptoms are insomnia, anxiety (I was supposed to go see him around Christmas cause I had three severe panic attacks within a week and passed out each time), and a pretty much non-existient appetite (illustrated by me now having to go buy all new school clothes as I've lost about 60 pounds (4 stones-ish) in just over 4months). Apparently Dothiepin is good for increasing appetite, helping regulate sleep and relieving anxiety but I also read a lot of bad stuff about it and it's effects on teenagers especially in causing mania and suicide (although it might just be cause it's really easy to accidentally overdose on it).
Basically I wanted to know if anyone had any experience with or knowledge about it and what you guys think.
Gah...I don't even know if I'm depressed or not. A month ago I was told I just had a slight tendancy towards obsessive behaviour and some "anxiety issues"...grr...
Hiya! I think the fact the you can talk/write so openly about your feelings is a really positive thing. I've been taking dothiepin on and off for about 10 years. I had a nervous breakdown and was on dothiepin and diazepam (for panic attacks), I felt tearful and hopeless all the time, self injured, lost loads of weight through stress and couldn't sleep so I'd wander around town at night - not advisable but when you're feeling a bit disconnected it doesn't always occur to you that things you're doing aren't the best! Anyway, I have taken other antidepressants, including prozac which made me feel sick and stopped me sleeping, but I get on really well with dothiepin. I only take one 25mg capsules at night now as I'm feeling quite good at the moment. When my doc first suggested I take antidepressants I haveto admit I was a bit freaked but once he explained the positives I felt more comfotable with it, i.e. you need to treat the symptoms (sleeplessness, anxiety etc.) so you physically feel better and then you can sort your head out and deal with the cause of the problems. It works for me anyway, but if you've just started taking meds be consistent and patient - these things don't work overnight. But you're on the right track and you're getting help so stick with it!

Just thought, when I said I've been taking antidepressents for 10 years it makes me sound like an addict - I'm not I've had gaps of upto 3 years between taking them. Unfortunately, since my breakdown I'm a bit delicate so sometimes the doc presecribes me tabs which I take for a while to stop myself getting really low. I've never felt strung out or anything when I've stopped taking them though.Whatever you do make sure you are doing what's best for you.
Sir Psycho Sexy
Jan 20 2004, 01:27 PM
....well i've only heard bad things about them >_>, but you seem to know from experience....forget what i said
franken-sarah
Jan 20 2004, 01:39 PM
QUOTE (Sir_Psycho_Sexy @ Jan 20 2004, 01:26 PM)
....well i've only heard bad things about them >_>, but you seem to know from experience....forget what i said

I hope you don't think that I was disregarding what you said Sir P.S. I know it's one of those issues that lots of people feel v strongly about and like I said before I wasn't too keen to take them to start with. Just now I'm good though and generally would prefer a pint of guinness to any prescription stuff!!
Dreams On Hiatus
Jan 20 2004, 03:02 PM
I heard that some types of anti depressants cause people to go on killing sprees. But that could just be a big lie. I really don't know. You could always ask your doctor.
saucy_tara
Jan 22 2004, 09:41 AM
I have been on nearly every type of anti-depressant, tranquilisers too. I found that when i took Dothiepin it made me incredibly sleepy and itchy(!) so i stopped it after a couple of months. What you have to remember Laura, is that everyone's reactions to medication differs, so you may well be able function normally, whereas I couldn't.
As for the side effects, they have to list the worst case scenarios to cover their backs I guess.
Good luck poppet, hope all turns out peachy for you
Ocean!
Jan 22 2004, 07:55 PM
Ummmmmm... IMO, doctors say anyone's depressed and hand them out like candy. Sure, people get depressed, but everyone goes through tough times, and everyone isn't always happy. My sisters boyfriend had to go on them, he said they didn't help, after a while you don't feel anything, not happy, not sad, not surprised, just nothing.
Tigersong
Jan 22 2004, 08:17 PM
QUOTE (Ocean! @ Jan 22 2004, 01:54 PM)
Ummmmmm... IMO, doctors say anyone's depressed and hand them out like candy. Sure, people get depressed, but everyone goes through tough times, and everyone isn't always happy. My sisters boyfriend had to go on them, he said they didn't help, after a while you don't feel anything, not happy, not sad, not surprised, just nothing.
Good lord, people. Losing 60 pounds in 4 months, insomnia, severe panic attacks (with passing out)... these are pretty severe symptoms! This isn't a doctor saying "anyone's depressed." It seems kind of callous to me to treat porcelain this way; she's trying to deal with her illness in the best way she knows how.
I'm glad you're seeking help, porcelain. I hope your medication will help you gain more control over your life.
I'm not sure where the anti-medication sentiment that is so popular these days comes from. Depression is an illness that needs to be treated. Just because *you* seem to be able to have control over your life doesn't mean it's the same way for everyone else. Depression has both psychological and physiological aspects. We've covered all this before.
QUOTE
I heard that some types of anti depressants cause people to go on killing sprees. But that could just be a big lie. I really don't know. You could always ask your doctor.
Um... udder bullshit? This is most *certainly* not one of the side-effects. If it were, the drug would be banned by the FDA sooner than you could try to pronounce the name.
As for coming off of antidepressants, they most certainly aren't addictive like crack. Sure, you have a few withdrawal symptoms as your brain tries to right the brain biochemistry, but if you plan your treatment carefully with your family physician, he or she should be ble to give you smaller and smaller doses and thus minimize side effects.
As for not being able to drink, not really that big of a deal. You probably shouldn't be using alcohol to self-medicate anyway. Yes, it make be "awkward" in certain social situations, but what is better... "awkwardness" or spiralling down the black pit of depression?
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I'm not saying anti-depressants are for everyone. I just wish that some poeple in the "anti-medication" crowd would get their facts straight before making blatant assumptions. That is all.
Ocean!
Jan 22 2004, 10:22 PM
Sorry, that's my opinion on Anti-Depressants in particular. I'm not a doctor, and I'm not going to analyse this particular situation. I don't think anyone should take anti-depressants, but that's just me. I didn't say that's what happened in this particular situation, I'm saying it happens a lot, and lots of people who are on the medications dont need them, so they can't really say weather it helped them or not, if they didn't really have a problem to begin with. I didn't say I have any control over my life, I'm just saying that some people aren't depressed and receive a prescription for an anti-deppressant. You can't say that you know me, or where I'm coming from. I didn't say that porcelain wasn't depressed, I just voiced my opinion.
I suffer from severe weight loss, insomnia, panic attacks, and I start crying uncontrollably all the time. Maybe I suffer from depression, maybe I do have problems, I'd just rather go through it on my own than rely on medications.
*chuckles* Udder..
MayaKitten
Jan 23 2004, 12:46 AM
Right ... I've never been on dothiepin ... but I have (and am at the moment) been on antidepressants, and can perhaps throw a bit of my own light on this.
An ENORMOUS step - which a lot of people often don't realise - is admitting you have a problem and need some outside help. A lot of us are very proud - I know I certainly am. I've counselled and nursed and talked so may friends through various sorts of depression; never thought I'd add to their number. Well, it can happen to any of us.
Mine is reactive. My job was sending me somewhat deranged and there's only so long you can handle the slow, insidious build-up of low-level stress. I had a complete collapse over about 2 weeks in December and forced myself to see the doctor. I knew what I wanted - I wanted to feel like ME again. And if that meant chemicals, well fine.
I'm on a low dose of citalopram. It's a pretty non-addictive, easy-withdraw mild-moderate AD.
A couple of weeks after starting on these ... enough time to calm down and think and think and think ... I decided to do what I should have done years ago and quit my job. (I work in a very stressful frontline public advice position, solving myriads of strangers problems and sorting out their lives daily. Except if I hear one more problem I will fly at someone with a machete).
Having made that decision, I feel fantastic. It may be pill-induced, or it may be me.
What I think is - the pills gave me the chance to have time to regain myself and think and come to a decision. I needed to have a calm and clear head for that.
Nobody should be condemned for the way they get through something. The point is, getting through it ... and if, through the side-effects, you can hold on to the positives and the gains you have made in yourself ... it's worth it. You are becoming you. And that's good, surely?
franken-sarah
Jan 23 2004, 11:49 AM
Mayakitten, you are one smart little kitty!!
My depression is diagnosed as reactive also and, yeah, as much as I protest about "I work to live and not live to work" work is a big part of alot of peoples lives, including mine. I work for social services (no, I don't wear sandles!

), which is also a very stressful job, like yours, dealing with people and their problems all the time which takes it out of you. I think it's great that you've had the strength to leave a job that's making you so unhappy *big hug*. I'm working on doing just that myself but my pig-headedness is pulling me back mostly cos it's the staff team that I work with that cause me stress not my job and I feel like I would be letting myself down if they pushed me into leaving a job that I love and care about!!
Jonman
Jan 23 2004, 01:32 PM
Good luck Porce. I think that there's an important thing to take away from the discussions in this thread, and that's that meds aren't for everyone, but if they help you and you're happier when you're taking them, then you're doing the right thing. And by the sounds of it, you've been in the wars a bit, so it's well worth trying something to get back ton track.
We're all rooting for you.
J-man
porcelainwarrior
Jan 23 2004, 01:40 PM
Thanks everyone for all your input, Ocean, I'm sorry you feel that way about anti-deppressants, especially with the symptoms you described, maybe you're right though and you can work through it on your own. All I know is that I feel I can't do it alone anymore and to be honest I'm not willing to. I've had enough of trying to cope with depression and act like everything's normal at the same time. Especially when people notice the changes in me, not mood-wise cause I got used to hiding that a while ago but more the physical changes in how I dress and the weight I've lost. I could probably deal with it otherwise but if I'm getting unhealthy from it and it's just plain stupid not to get it sorted.
I've been taking the Dothiepin for a week now, or will have been as of tonight. And obviously it's not had long to work but the only ways my mood has changed is that I've been more swingy, one minute I'm happy, the next I'm crying and then I'm running around the place like a fool. Normally I just feel vaguely crap to really sh*te so it makes a change I guess.
franken-sarah
Jan 23 2004, 02:41 PM
Keep fighting the shite little warrior, you're doin great and as J-Man says we're rooting for ya!
*BIG HUG*
porcelainwarrior
Jan 24 2004, 03:28 AM
i shall sarah...but may i say that i agree wholeheartedly with the advisment not to drink and that tonight was a rather large mistake...my mum took me out with her friends and kept buying me vodka and southern comfort

blah...bad the laura...
franken-sarah
Jan 24 2004, 12:26 PM
Honey, maybe that was just the mixture of voddy and southern comfort that made you feel rough!! I usually drink guinness and try hard (though sometimes fail) not to mix my drinks cos I get the most awful hangovers!! The reason they advise you not to drink with any sort of meds isn't just because it'll make ya sick it's also because the alcohol undermines the effect of the drugs. Okay, okay enough with the lectures, I'm glad you went out and had fun!!
Hope you're hangover isn't a monster!!
porcelainwarrior
Jan 24 2004, 02:37 PM
gah, well i did have fun as far as i know...but i normally drink a mix of spirits when im out and im alright. twas definitely of the wierdness :S
some guy called me a lesbian...which isnt a bad thing but he wouldnt dance with me cause id been dancing with women all night

i was muchly amused
no hangover though, probably cause i wasnt entirely sober when i woke up and ive been drinking water all day, i am occasionally sensible
the dancing was disturbing though...i dont do dancing...i once sat in the middle of a dancefloor on holiday cause friends were trying to make me join in...grr...
franken-sarah
Jan 24 2004, 07:37 PM

Oh, I so do not do dancing, unless I'm very drunk then I'm all arms up in the air and have been likened to a pole dancer!!
Why do people come out with such rubbish some times? Blokes (and girls for that matter!) who make comments like "you're a lesbian" or "you're a tart" are usually:
a. completely inept on the social conduct score
b. intimidated by you cos you're attractive and/or having a laugh without them
c. they've asked you to dance/have a drink and you've said "no" so they say stupid things to make themselves feel better
or d) all of the above in which case stand well clear because this guy's an a-hole!!
Glad you had a good time sweets - keep things on the up-and-up!!
spiffilicious05
Jan 25 2004, 12:32 AM
erhm...my dad is on anti-depressants...
People suspect me to have depression but I won't allow myself to be tested for it because of what the meds do to him.
They make him paranoid, on and off. He's afraid to be happy, he's afraid to do anything, he sleeps all day. And he's almost too pleasant on the pills (all care-bear like) and then off of them...he's beligerant (sp?) rude, mean and nasty...
hence...I'd avoid anti depressants at all costs - but that's just my experience
franken-sarah
Jan 25 2004, 12:37 AM
That's bad, especially if you think you might be depressed but are avoiding getting help cos of your Dad's situation. Everyone's different, perhaps your Dad needs to go back to his doc and tell him the stuff he's got ain't working for him, or maybe he's so self conscious of being down that sometimes he over compensates - and so you think he's a CareBear!! Being depressed is a terrible thing and very hard to deal with....
Can't say much else but heres a big hug *hugs Spiff*
spiffilicious05
Jan 25 2004, 12:44 AM
lol thanks for the hug and concern but this thread is supposed to be about porceline and I'm fine
porcelainwarrior
Jan 25 2004, 10:59 PM
this thread is
so not just for me, if you wanna talk about anything i actively encourage it, i'm curious as to other's experiences with anti-depressants cause i want to see if the way i'm reacting is normal but that doesn't mean we don't want to hear if someone else has a problem so if there's anything you want to share or ask go ahead!

*muchly huggingness*
Enslaved
Jan 26 2004, 02:59 PM
Porcelain - i'm not sure where this is going or where it will end up so it may not help u at all but its about my experiences with anti-depressants. It may just confuse you even more and for that I apologise. Ok, I have also been on and off anti-depressants over a period of years. The last time i was on them was about 2 yrs ago. All of a sudden I had major anxiety and could not go out in public without having an anxiety attack. after a year or so of this i was so sick of not being able to live my life that i went to my doctor for some help. he prescribed me aropax. i was on that for a year and it did help me to deal with my anxiety and now i am back to the way i was. but i absolutely hate being on anti-depressants as it tends to make u numb, from everything. u no longer feel any emotion and are just a walking zombie (when u aren't too doped up to walk). So I guess my opinion is this: If you value your life and dont want to kill yourself, but are having a really hard time and need something to stop you from going insane then they can be helpful, only because they stop you from thinking about what it is that's depressing you, although it is just prolonging the problem and you can only put things off for so long. When i say the can be helpful, that is if you are prescribed the right one, dont get too many bad side-effects and in general if they actually work for you. *hugs porcelain*
Pixiegoth
Jan 29 2004, 10:42 AM
I used to be dead against anti-depressants. Then I found out my best friend was taking them and she never said anything. I was gutted that she was in a situation like that and hadn't said anything. She has explained why though and I don't feel too bad now.
I am in a similar situation to her but don't think I have reached the anti-depressant stage yet.
What concerns me is the willingness of doctors to hand out these types of drugs to young people. I mean teenagers are naturally sulky, I was!

I really don't mean to have a pop at teenagers but I remember that I thought the whole world was against me when I was 15. It probably wasn't but being hormonal I thought it was

I'm not saying that every young person or teenager put on anti-depressants is wrong and should just learn to get a grip. I know that there are genuine cases out there. It just worries me that's all

I hope that makes sense?

Porcelain, I hope you are feeling better and that things are looking up for you. I know how lonely and sad it can be feeling like this, trust me.
franken-sarah
Jan 29 2004, 11:44 AM
Ahh, the Black-Haired one speaks the truth!! Like you I was against antidepressents - I actually worked at a surgery and still my G.P. had to talk me into taking them when I had my breakdown!
Seriously, I think depression is a much more widely accepted condition now and as such doctors pick up on it sooner as opposed to people going through years of hell thinking there's something wrong with them and that no-one can help. Like you said doctors do seem more willing to hand out antidepressents to young people now, I wonder if maybe a bit of counselling or just someone to talk to maybe a better alternative - or maybe we should just be grateful that G.P's do take this problem seriously now! The medication that Porcelain is taking is not a seratonin up-taker and as such should have no impact on any other hormonal stuff going on at her age (sorry, Laura, hope that doesn't sound patronising - hugs to you sweetie), and it will just help her with her physical symptoms so she can get herself sorted enough to deal with the problems she's experiencing.
Your friend probably didn't say anything for the same reason that loads of people don't - cos they're embarrassed, afraid that they'll be judged or, in my case, I was ashamed that I couldn't deal with my problems myself. I feel very lucky that I can talk openly about what happened to me now and I also appreciate that I'm lucky to have people, including you guys, who will listen and be supportive.
*hugs all round*
saucy_tara
Jan 29 2004, 12:10 PM
Hugs to you Sarah,you deserve them babe....
Pixiegoth
Jan 29 2004, 05:47 PM
QUOTE (franken-sarah @ Jan 29 2004, 11:43 AM)
Ahh, the Black-Haired one speaks the truth!!
Well that's gotta be a first

Seriously though this is why I am seeking counselling first and foremost and then if the need for anti depressants raises its head then I deal with it then.
I'd rather not but if it's unavoidable, etc.
I would say tho that the Samaritans are brilliant. I've been emailing them and they are always happy to listen and/or offer advice. I contacted them when Dayan died and they were super.
franken-sarah
Jan 29 2004, 09:28 PM
CRUISE are very good for bereavement issues. I'd never have thought of using The Samaritans, I've only ever seen counsellers through my G.P., but that's really good to know.
Glad you're getting some support though Pixiegoth *hugs*
Tarantio
Feb 1 2004, 11:56 PM
I was on anti-deps for a while too, suffering much the same symptoms as you (except if i lost four stone i would fade from existence... anorexic ol me, huh?), and I found the only thing to do to get over the whole thing is just to do the little things that I enjoy doing, like reading books, writing, playing games and just being with my friends. It took a long time to get over the depression, and the sleeping is still a problem (due more to habits than illness), but not a lot can make me sad anymore. I know it sounds like a phony, forced optimism, but to be honest thats what it took to help me out, and it worked too. Just hang in there and try not to fall back on the pills. I may not know much about medicine, but I can tell you that taking them isnt going to help. They become a dependancy, and you put all your hope into them, and no matter how well they work you will always convince yourself that they have failed. Best thing is just to try and solve your problems, and ignore the tings that you know you cant deal with. For a long time I stressed about stupid things that didn't really relate to me at all - the environment, the economy, people I had met and disliked.... in the end i just told myself that there was only so much i could do about these things, and if I did that much then i had no reason to worry. Just do what you can for yourself and hang in there, lass

EDIT: and of course, just remember I'm only a bus journey and a time warp away.
-does the time warp. again.-
porcelainwarrior
Feb 2 2004, 01:56 PM
*is a chubster* or i was...i have knobbly knees and sticky out boney bits now

to be honest i dont feel the tablets doing anything anyways but that probably has a lot to do with my mum at the moment (she got sectioned again today and the hospital wont let us visit yet, only my aunt can see her). i shall not be all dependant-ley cause ive read a lot about depression and the like since i was nine (cause of my mum) and i know you need family, friends and most importantly something resembling a life for you, stuff you enjoy to make progress in anything like this!
a time warp...oh the confusion...what?
Tarantio
Feb 2 2004, 03:07 PM
come on now everybody;
its just a jump to the left.
AND THEN A STEP TO THE RIIIIIIIIIGHT.
you put your hands on your hips.
AND BRING YOUR KNEES IN TIIIIIIIGHT
THEN ITS A PELVIC THRUUUUUUST,
AND IT'LL DRIVE YOU INSAAAAAAAAAAANE.
LETS DO THE TIMEWARP AGAAAAAAAIIIIIIIN!
(actually, with dace singing, lets not...)
phoenix
Feb 2 2004, 06:16 PM
lol i need to go see that again!!! *chin sex!* "damnit janet, i wanna screw..."

my gp always wants to put me on a anti-depressent for my insomia. i have a friend who is on them, when hes all fine when he is taking them, but, when he doesnt..... hess worse then a woman pms-ing without any chocolate or a mans throat to squeeze.... its absolutly terrifying watching him when he "forgets" or just stops taking them. he is the reason i always tell my gp f*** off, only in politer terms. i would rather not sleep then go through that.....
Spencer's Pet Human
Nov 17 2004, 11:02 PM
Its thanks (?) to Porcelain that I found TOS in a search. I am taking Dothiepin and a search threw up Porcelain's initial post. So I joined TOS and that opens up some interesting ideas about cause and effect!
It does regulate your sleep, it does make you eat like a horse initially and it doesnt mix well with booze. But after a while it seems to blunt the senses, especially in large (>100mg) doses.
But the real problem is the "grogginess" in the morning. It takes me an hour, three coffees and 4 cigarettes before I can even function enough to throw on some clothes and walk my dog. Paradoxically, it also causes me to wake up in the night 2 or 3 times, when previously I used to sleep the sleep of the dead, usually as a result of mucho vino.
Anyway, it seems to work for me, sort of.
Aria
Nov 18 2004, 10:16 PM
I'm on ADs too. Let me tell you, life is hella better now. I've had maybe one day of random crying this month, as opposed to oh, say.... 2 weeks of it before I was on 'em. Not on dothiepin... I'm taking zoloft. I think the main thing is to figure out the proper dose-- too much and you're a doped zombie, too little, and you're still a wreck....
gothictheysay
Nov 19 2004, 12:55 AM
QUOTE
think the main thing is to figure out the proper dose-- too much and you're a doped zombie, too little, and you're still a wreck....
That is probably one of the bigger problems, but also many people have the attitude that the medicine is going to solve everything, and sometimes overlook things that could help, like therapy. I went through a long period of being rather heavily doped up on ADs but still a disastrous wreck. It also sucks because re-evaluations and medicine changes happen so often, at least with me.
voices_in_my_head
Nov 20 2004, 08:44 PM
I was on anti-depressents for about a year before they started having
The oposite affect....
Aria
Nov 21 2004, 09:00 AM
QUOTE (gothictheysay @ Nov 19 2004, 12:55 AM)
That is probably one of the bigger problems, but also many people have the attitude that the medicine is going to solve everything, and sometimes overlook things that could help, like therapy. I went through a long period of being rather heavily doped up on ADs but still a disastrous wreck. It also sucks because re-evaluations and medicine changes happen so often, at least with me.
Oh, for sure. My doctor made very sure to mention that the ads weren't magic, and might not solve all of my problems. Luckily, I didn't really have any outside problems, other than depression, I was fairly easily 'fixed'. But I quite agree with you, if there are underlying issues, definitely seeing a certified therapist is a good idea.
JimiJimi
Nov 21 2004, 11:40 AM
This being my 99th post, I feel I should make it special.
Hmm...
Maybe...
Gotcha.
Alright, now that I've made it special enough:
First, take the pills, but only as much as needbe. Don't overdose, otherwise you'll end up like Layne Staley. Secondly, whatever you do, don't not have them (if that makes sense), otherwise you'll end up like Kurt Cobain (although personally I think Courtney Love killed him). Thirdly, LISTEN TO YOUR DOCTOR. Yeah, sure, this is all obvious stuff, but I came pretty close to killing myself at one point.
The Pinball Wizard thinks this is an inappropriate time for a line about the Pinball Wizard.
Asenyth
Nov 22 2004, 07:46 AM
There has been a lot of tests and observation lately on using anti-depressants on adolesents. A lot of these tests are saying that they can cause even more depression and suicidal thoughts. I'm not saying not to take them, I'm just saying to educate yourself cuz it would be really terrible if you kept taking them and then got all sad and thought nothing could help you and so on and so forth. Not good. There is a list out there of these studies, if I had the time to find a link, I would, but they shouldn't be too hard to find, it's been on the news everyday. I know prozac and zoloft are two of them. Good luck!
kisah
Nov 22 2004, 08:14 PM
Super appreciate all your posts, people. This was a good thread to start PW. Since moving to England I have been miserable. I always felt like I could handle anything, especially if it meant the difference between being with jonman or not but this experience has really tested the strength of our relationship (I think, at least). I am still not so sure how I feel about anti-depressants... on the one hand, I'd really like for the Simpsons not to turn me into a soppy crying mess and on the other hand, I'd like to think that everything I'm feeling is natural and shouldn't be chemically screwed with. I'm still on the fence really... Self-medicating with more common 'herbal' things seems to help LOADS... as long as we're talking about eating chocolate, playing video games, and sleeping halfway through the next day.. and yeah, that feels like bliss in comparison but there has to be a happier medium... Plus, life sucks when the dealer's dry. Super big sucking.
Anyway, thanks again for the thread, opportunity to whine, and read other people's opinions on the subject.
elphaba2
Nov 22 2004, 10:25 PM
I have a few friends on AD's and for one girl they are extremely helpful. She has anxiety attacks, and on the pills she is a calm, relaxed and happy person. They just worked with her. Another person I know mixed up with doseage and ran out at work (let it be noted that her case it a lot worse than that of the former girl), wound up throwing a book at a co-workers' head and being placed in the psych ward of a nearby hospital. She's ok now, but everyone she knows has her under close supervision lest she go off again.
There's also a huge age gap between the two. Girl A is in her teens, and ironically went off her pills and had an anxiety attack when she heard about prozac causing suicidal thoughts in teens. Stopping her pills made it a lot harder to get back on, because she was so worried that she'd start thinking about suicide.
{Edit: whoops, forgot to say, Girl B (doesn't everyone love my code names? they're so original) is in her late twenties or so and has been on a cocktail of anti-depressants since her late teens. end edit }
As far as AD's go, I'd say use them. IF you have an actual case of depression, they can help. And, I repeat what Jimi said--listen to the doctor. Generally docs are held in contempt because of the studies saying doctors overprescribe, but overall they know what they're doing. If you are worried, consult someone else, but never, never, never try and go off and "help yourself". That almost never works. Withdrawl = much sucking for all around.
So there's my two cents (really about a dime, but shhh!)
porcelainwarrior
Nov 22 2004, 11:25 PM
Wow, I abandon the place for eight months, come back and one of my threads has survived! Yay! Well my general update would be that; I did as I was told and took the pills, after a month I told the doctors it wasn't working but they gave me another months worth, by the end of this prescription no-one was answering my calls to say that I needed a new prescrition promptish and so I just stopped taking them, eventually my psychologist called me back to see if I'd got them, I told her "No" and then told her where she could shove her pills and talk therapy solutions. And to be honest, while it was refreshing to tell the doctors what I wanted for a change I wish I'd had better support from them, cause I still feel mince, although I am sleeping a little better now, and I even eat like a real person! from time to time...
gothictheysay
Nov 23 2004, 02:21 AM
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I know prozac and zoloft are two of them. Good luck!
Actually, the type of antidepressants that can give suicidal thoughts are serotonin reuptake inhibitors. Prozac isn't one of these - it is the only one actually approved for people under 18. Ever since the news about SSRIs I believe you can only give adolescents Prozac in England? I am not sure. I know in America there are much more likely to prescribe Prozac when they're starting people off nowadays. Paxil and Zoloft are the two major ones. But yes, this does happen in some cases. You have to monitor yourself. (really, it's no fun when the medication you're taking starts to make you worse after a while instead of better. I was unlucky there.)
However, I'm still on an SSRI, and it is helping greatly, so I suppose is just depends. The news isn't an issue to go out and change your meds if you're an adolescent, rather just to be aware.
voices_in_my_head
Dec 6 2004, 02:27 AM
that's my problem... I can only take prozac, but it had the oppisite affect thing. So I stopped taking it. but now what am I supposed to do?
porcelainwarrior
Dec 6 2004, 07:43 PM
Erm...how old are you voices? And please dont take this as verbatim as I dont know much about medication in general but I was told (when I was put on it) that Dothiepin is used a lot in teens as it seems to be very effective. Have you suggested an alternative to your doctor? Or has he mentioned it at all?
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