Bush cracking down on porn

Saw this on the Guardian (I know, I know). What's your opinion? Does some porn go too far? Does it matter? Do you look at it?

Personally, I have no problem with it as long as there's suitable warnings. I don't think it can go too far (unless it's photos of someone getting raped or something like that). If you're offended by it, you don't have to look at it. The quote at the end of the article is rediculous. How exactly is porn 'destroying marriages and polluting the culture'?

I'm with you. If people don't like it then they do not have to look at it and there's no need to cause a fuss.

What I do have a problem with is misleading sites. You can click on a link, semingly unrelated to porn and then it's hard core, all the way. I had a situation like this when I was about eight or nine years old (it was www.cheats.org or something similar, I now looked up the site and it is no longer in existence).

*like Helen Lovejoy in The Simpsons* Wont someone please think of the children!

I will agree thatsome porn needs t be shot to death( C.P, BDSM, other things of disturbing nature), but not the rest.



Bush need to keep his beliefs away from ours, and stop tryin to turn us into copies of himself. He needs to stop feeding us his (pardon the expression) Bible-Zealot values to us; he did it with abortion, he did it with gay marriage, and beyond that, BUSH IS A MORON!!

P.S though i hold a disliking towards the following of most religion, i hold no grudge against most of the folowers, and celebrate some of the holidays. so, in summary, please don't be offended byanything i might have said.

Why is that? The only people who are going to look at it are those that like that sort of thing. It isn't corrupting anyone, so where's the problem?

Unfortunately that isn't always so. As TD brings up, porn may come up unexpectedly, like on the internet.

Now in this case, it is very simple. Don't let your kids use the internet or supervise them. Doesn't seem to require government involvement, it is about how you want to raise your children.

There was a case of a kid in a car saw the car next to him having porn in the backseat, on a dvd player. They want to bring it to court, whether as a lawsuit or as a crime I can't remember which. Good grief.

Fine, kids stumble across porn. But that is inevitable. Why the distinction between fetish porn and 'regular' porn?

Meh. I'm kind of halfway on porn. It can be demeaning to the actors/actresses/models/whatever, because it is the absolute objectification of the body. Unless, you know, it's not. Which makes perfect sesne. Also, it *is* sort of selling your body for money, which for me smacks of prostitution. And I have qualms with the world's oldest profession, regardless of other issues (legality and whatnot) just for reasons of objectification of women.

On the other hand, some actresses/actors/models/whatever really do seem to enjoy their chosen line of work. So all the more power to them, I guess.

As long as it's not child pornography, or didn't involve consenting adults, which to me are real forms of abuse, I don't really have a problem with it. I'm not one for fetish porn, because I'm too vanilla for it and I just think it's gross, I'm not about to censor it.

In response, i shall speak for those who are victims. I don't want a flame war or anything, but imagine how f***ed up those kids are now; I have a friend who was molested by at least three people before she was 12. She is a nice person, but she is still very f***ed up inside. As I said, i don't want a war from my words.

And by the way, some porn is very corrupting. If you're young, then all the connections in your brain are still being made. It's like the watching of superviolent material when you're very young; though not totally proven, exposee's could grow up thinking that all of that stuff is perfectly fine to be doing. I grew up with it, and i'm almost entirely desensitized; in 2nd grade, i stabbed my friend in the shoulder for no reason.

*sigh*

As long as said pornagraphy involves only and is being viewed by only consenting adults, I see absolutely no possible moral objection to it. Nor can I understand any other viewpoint. So what if it's BDSM? See that woman getting whipped? She doesn't have to be there. She chose that profession. She's being paid well for it. You don't like it? Shouldn't be watching it, then. I don't like Friends either, but I don't want it banned.

And Tigersong - you may think it's demeaning. Even if it is, they chose to be demeaned, and they're being paid for it. If they didn't want it, they wouldn't do it.

Amen. Porn on the Internet needs more warnings, though, that's true. I don't see the problem with porn. People want it, give it to them. What's so bad about it? It's something I find pretty disturbing, but how is it corrupting people? If it gets to kids, then it's really more of their parents' fault. What's so bad about naked people anyway? I started seeing porn on the internet by accident since I was eleven or so. I could deal. I know other people may not be able to, that's why there need to be warnings, and parents looking after children. Really, what's so bad about porn?

edit: amen commie, you just posted while I was typing my response.

Kyo, I think you're missing the point. Nobody was talking about child pornography, child abuse, or showing pornography to children. Could you clarify your comments?

commie, I do suppose that i got a little off the original topic. i kinda lost control of myself in talking about what was wrong and what wasn't. I just kinda went off.sorry...

Is Kyo meant to be like, Kyo Kusanagi? Or is it just your first name is Kyo, or your name is Kyo Kusanagi? That would be so cool ...

Anyway, I don't see the how porn can 'corrupt' the kids. Abuse and molesting can, but porn? I mean like how will it mentally scar them. They will most likely see it when they are older. And if it does 'scar' them please tell me what problems it will cause. Will it make them perverts because they saw porn and liked it? Well like I said they will see it anyway!

And I don't really look at porn much, but I like reading stories and whatnot...

in response to the question of my name, i got it from the anime Samurai Deeper Kyo, the main character being Demon-Eyes Kyo, slaughterer of the war of Sekigahara, japan 1600. Also I'm seeing everyones points now.

Excellent... Our corrupting influence is beginning to take effect

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Now, Daedalus, what might you meen by that?

Meh. Well Kyo Kusanagi could take on this 'Slaughter-man' any day!

He is Kyo Kusanagi! Latest in the bloodline of the clan of flames! He who will seal the Orochi! THE KING OF FIGHTERS!

I agree with most of you on here. Pornography isn't going to corrupt us, or our children. How can it when our society is already corrupted as it is? All I have to do is watch t.v. for 5 minutes and I can see ads for erectile dysfunction, girls wearing close to nothing on MTV, and Janet Jackson's boob falling out at the Super Bowl (shudders). If pornography does anything, it does good for the society by taking potential rapists and molesters and sitting them in front of their computers so they can get it all out of their system.

theres nothing wrong with porn, fetish or 'vanilla', as long as consenting adults are the only people involved.

and this whole thing with janet jackson is bloody stupid too, you see the same amout of boob on mtv all the time, only difference is she had that nipple thing instead of material covering it. Bush is mixing government with religion, and for that he should go sink in quicksand..slowly..with people pointing and laughing.

YES! Spuglet, you have a great plan! BUSH MUST FALL OR KEEP HIS LIFE OUT OF OURS!!!

Oh, I don't dispute that -- see the rest of my comments. But still, it's objectification of the body, and that irks the feminist in me. Not that I'm going to go out of my way to do anything about it, though.

Yeah, but it's their choice to, so I can dismiss that easily.

Did we have a thread about Janet Jackson? (On SNL, she did it again, I heard. ) That's another thing a hate. The human body is supposed to be this horrible thing or something. You can have cheerleaders and everyone wearing a bikini but as long as the nipple isn't showing... OH MY GOD! A BREAST!! If your kids got corrupted, why were you letting them watch with all of those erectile dysfunction commercials? Plus, everyone's seen breasts...they act like the human body shouldn't be exposed. If your kids, at any point in time, would be corrupted by any part of the body showing, that's waaaay too sheltered. It's the HUMAN BODY! And it's not like she was having sex or anything. I can understand people not wanting that to happen, but not a huge deal over that. (On the Daily Show, they kept replaying it over and over and over again during commentary. )

I always post too late in these threads... so yeah, I agree with all of you. I don't like porn, but I have no problem with other people watching it as long as it's between consenting adults. Child pornography shouldn't exist as far as I'm concerned, and I have objections to violent pornography as well (particularly if it involves rape). Other than that though, I don't care.

What I do care about are those porn popups, or misleading links to porn on the internet. I used to use the internet as a kid, unsupervised, and once or twice I ended up at porn sites by mistake. I wasn't scarred for life or anything, but I didn't want to see that kind of thing (even less than I do now). If people want to watch porn, that's fine, but I don't want to have to be subjected to it.

okay then, what about the men in porn? hmm, nobody ever complains that they're being objectified.

They really aren't. Mainstream porn hjas things like double teams and such. They aren't being turned into tools for orgasm like women are.

What about homoerotic pornography?

Pornography degrades humans, in general, but I think that we need a little degregation, thusly I have no problem swith it, any of it.

Who said I was talking about mainstream porn? I realize that in most porn the men aren't really the objects, but there is gay porn out there. Actually, there's probably quite a bit.

The point is that yes, men are objectified, but not as much as women. That's why you don't hear much about men getting objectified, because they aren't as much.

Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that it makes us aware of human degradation that is ever present?

Mainly because most male porn stars are not exactly pleasant to look at full stop!

I concur. Men in straight porn are so damned boring. And they always have moustaches and lots of body hair and ewwww.


Oh yeah, this is Issues. Ummm... something intelligent.

Basically, I have no problem with porn. If you choose to get into it then I hope you get paid/enjoy it. Personally, I'd feel pretty degraded, so I wouldn't do it in the first place. So long as no-one is co-erced into it, pornography is not a degrading activity in my eyes. People are just using another physical talent to earn a little money, or they're just enjoying themselves. Nothing degrading there.

Simple economics folks. There's a huge demand, so there's a large supply. And if porn's morally wrong, then 90% of the men in the western world (as well as a smaller percentage of the women) are sinners doomed to an eternity of hell.

I think that porn should be mandatory for everyone adult between 18 and 60. Daily and mandatory. All kinds of porn, vanilla, mainstream, fetish, gay, old, fat, etc. I mean the works (featuring consenting adults only participating). It's my argument that this would solve a huge number of the west's problems, such as: the overemphasis on physical perfection (no matter how pretty a person, they normally look ridiculous at that precise moment); sexual hangups of all sorts; shame about one's body and sex in general; it would cut down on sexual crimes (anyone who's going to commit a sexcrime is clearly not right in the head to begin with - give them some porn and let them 'beat' the frustration out of themselves).

Alright, I'm being silly, but Middle Europe's got a much better attitude towards sex in general (France, Germany, Holland etc). No-one gets their knickers in a twist if a boob gets shown on the telly in the evening, people sunbathe naked in the park, and no-one bats an eyelid. It's so much more grown up that the ridiculous repressed Sex-Is-Bad, Catholic guilt thing that the English-speaking West seems to have.

Well really I dont care what other people do. Watch porn, dont watch it, s'all up to you. Same goes for people involved. choose career, dont choose it.
Now for my issues with Porn. As far as the interent goes, they should have to label the site as over 18, ect ect. And stop misleading people. Its porn sites that do the outrageous amounts of pop ups that make it very hard for you to go back on or close your browser right? Well they darn well need to stop that to. To end up there by accident then not able to leave can be very annoying.
To my knowledge actors/actresses in porn film dont use protection. This I think they should do. If not simply for the younger people that get there hands on it. Nothing wrong with a little sex education.

Hehe...porn just doesn't work for me. I don't get turned on watching other people have sex, etc...I get jealous