so i think its all a fake. if neel armstrong was the first man on the moon how did a camera outsid the shuttle thing tak his picture comin out of it??

I neither know nor care.

Armstrong wasn't the first man on the Moon - that is fact. It's just no one can remember the name of the guy who was. (okay, NOW someone can prove me wrong)




Then don't bother posting.

*sniff* Is that spam I can smell....

Yes, they did.

Think about it. This was during the Cold War. The USSR had so many spies in the USA they had their own freaking union. Do you really think nobody would have found out about a hoax this huge?

And what about the rocks they brought back? Nothing special, just, you know, rocks from the goddamn Moon. A whole bunch of scientists have seen them, and all agree that they're completely unique and couldn't have been faked - one went on record saying that it would have been easier to go to the Moon and get them than it would have been to fake them.

To counter some pro-hoax arguments:

The reason you can't see stars is because of a phenomenon that occurs with cameras. They were focusing on the events taking place on the Moon, so the stars simply did not appear. If you take a home video at night of brightly-lit events happening on the ground, you won't see stars on the tape. In movies, they add the stars later.

The reason the flag waves despite there being no wind is because to get the flagpole into the rock, they had to twist it back and forth, making the flag ripple. On Earth, it would only have rippled once or twice. However, since on the Moon there's little gravity and no air resistance, there was nothing to stop the motion of the flag - it kept rippling.

I refer to here:

My grandfather would kick anybody who'd try to convince him the moon landing was a hoax. He was an engineer who helped build the communications satellite that relayed the radio messages back to earth.
That was enough to convince me.

http://badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

that's all I need to say

God, I've had this arguement with some pretty stupid people in the past (go view a site called the hollow earth insider. http://thehollowearthinsider.com/news/index.php I've posted on there under several names over the years just to get people worked up). Well anyway, duh, yeah, we've been to "the" moon. I can't say if we've ever been to teh moon though, I don't know where teh moon is or what it is for that matter but it sounds interesting.

Used to be a dogged conspiricist when it came to the matter. But I looked into it a while ago and NASA (and others) do a damn good job of explaining everything that hoax believers can throw at them. I don't like the US government, I wouldn't put them above hoaxing the moon landing... but there's no evidence to say they did... and plenty saying that they landed... so I'm sold on the matter, they landed there all right.

Haven't we already argued this one a while back?

I think we landed on the moon. I agree with what Commie says and other people who agree with Commie but only because he is far more intelligent than me

I'm always blown away when people try to contest things like this. The people I've talked to who don't believe we landed on the moon always seem to be incredibly uninformed about the issue and they only bought into the conspiracy theory because someone once told them one little fact that made them think "Oh yeah! Wow, that must be it!". There's so much to support the landing and so little to refute it that I just don't really see much basis for debate here.

erm... that may have more to do with the thin metal rod mounted across the top of the flag to keep it sticking outwards. I believe the "rippling" was more likely to be an effect of poor picture quality than anything else.

Mmm, it's a combination of the two. The rod helped, but it wouldn't have rippled if they hadn't been twisting the pole (or if the rod hadn't deliberately too short, in order to create a rippling effect because flags look more impressive when they ripple - seems they did the job too well).

Most people who don't believe we've been to the moon have rarely if ever actually visited Earth.

Just my personal observation.

Garh.. there was a kid in my science class who didn't believe we landed on the moon.. and he convinced three people, that's why this thread has taken place... they're multiplying.

We like the moon, but not as much as a spoon.

for a spoon is useful for eating soup..

For christ sake. Everything commie said makes sense, then again those who argue that it's not true could have a point too.

If you want to know if we really made it to the moon/can make it to the moon --- go become an astronaut and do it yourself. Hey --- if you want something done right...

There is no spoon darnit!

I was in a video game store once and the men behind the counter were arguing about this--I had to leave it irritated me so much. One was contending that the radio messages were too instantaneous and there should have been a greater delay...or something.

Even all the scientific facts aside, though, isn't this a bit too big of a conspiracy to be kept quiet? Think of all the control room workers, the engineers, the men who cleaned the toilets for the lot of them...wouldn't somebody have spoken up by now? Assuming it was a hoax: look at film credits, and you'll see the number of people they'd have to keep quiet then. With hundreds of people working on a project this large, I just don't see how even the American government could pull off a conspiracy like this. Basic facts like that are some of the simplest proof.

bah, spoons?...may the sporks be with you.

Well someone must have said something or we wouldn't be discussing it now. Not that there's any reason to believe that person but, there must have been someone involved who said we didn't go there for the doubts to exist, dumb as they are.

The funniest thing is, the same people who doubt we've been to the moon are also the people who believe that we have aliens locked up in Area 51 and we have alien technology and that's why computers exist, etc etc...

Oh, and they also usually wear aluminum foil hats and lots of buttons and act paranoid. They steer clear of microwave ovens and don't trust the meter reader one bit.

Yep. A conspiracy theorist.

Someone somewhere disliked JFK enough to suggest his space programme was a load of old cobblers, that he only did it to prove the US was better than Russia and win votes. And the billions of tax dollars funding it? Bought a condo complex in Manhattan.

Pfft!

The fact that people are still discussing this three and a half decades after the event clearly renders my question "Who cares?" a mite redundant... Sorry, I mean, "clearly proves the power of conspiracy". *cough* Think I covered that up...

Oh yeah. the guy in my science class also said "If we went to the moon... how come we don't go there anymore? How come no one else went there after the United States, you'd think Russia would have." Bleh.. I don't know if we have or if any other country has. But it makes me think of Eddie Izzard on err.. Dressed to Kill I think when he's talking about the British going to the moon and Armstrong. "One small step for man.. one giant leap for man kind.. don'f f*ck it up Neil" "I'm a little man with a giant penis" or something like that.

Because there's not an awful lot to do on the Moon. I'm sure a lot of geologists and whatnot would love to poke around a bit there, but getting there is incredibly expensive, enough so that only major governments can. The governments would like to set up a base or a giant laser or something like that on the moon, but the expense and difficulty of that doesn't really bear thinking about. As for Russia, well, them going would only highlight the fact that they weren't there first. There's nothing we both want and can afford to do on the Moon.

Basically I think the reason we've never gone back is simple enough. We've been there already. It's a big ol' rock in space, next...

True enough. Gerry Anderson lied to us, there's no Moonbase Alpha, the rock didn't break orbit 5 years ago, and there's no chicks with heavy makeup that can change shape at will...

...or maybe it's cos NASA are more interested in sending probes to Neptune and landing stuff on Mars. There's suddenly all this interest based on the notion that Mars once supported life, and that the destruction of the original fifth planet (the one that's now an asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter) caused life there to die out, or at least ship out to the next nearest inhabitable rock.

That and the fact that the Russians are still smarting a tad over the Mir space station...

Landing on Mars would certainly engage more interest in space exploration, and I guess for NASA this justifies the expense. More so than a dull, gray rock with no atmosphere, anyways.

True 'nuf. I'm all for space exploration, no matter how you slice it, expanding our knowledge of the universe is a good thing. As for Mir, that sucks just as much as Skylab. It doesn't matter who's getting out there so long as humanity can learn things from it eventually.

I don't know if anyone cares about this anymore, but there was a program on last night about it. It pretty much gave explanations for all the apparent pieces of evidence that it was a hoax. Including the flag, the shadows, the lack of stars, and the 'fake 'C' rock' (that was funny). They even tried to recreate it, with authentic gear in a desert, with skeptics trying to recreate the footage. Turns out there's an explanation for everything. Nothing could be thought up that wasn't explained.