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CommieBastard
The UK government, not long ago, launched a campaign about drugs awareness called Talk To Frank. Normally, I'm all about drugs awareness, but an article in the latest Private Eye casts grave doubts on it.

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The government's much hyped drugs awareness campaign, "Talk to Frank", is, frankly, nonsense.

According to drug experts, the website which aims to give teenages, parents and carers information and advice is littered with errors - some of which could put users at risk.

For example, on GHB (gamma hydroxybutyrate), which was developed as an anaesthetic, it says: "A teaspoon or capful is a normal dose...a small capful has a euphoric effect that makes users feel happy, sensual and uninhibited". Except GHB can be dissolved in very little water, so with some mixes a teaspoon could be an overdose.

On 2CBs and 2C-T-7, often sold as ecstacy but with a more hallucinogenic effect, it sais: "Sold as white powder or tiny 5mg pills. Most people take several at a tiome and effects can last from 4 to 8 hours." Except as drug workers warn, the strengths of the pill can be very different and taking multiple pills of unknown quantity is extremely risky. Nowhere does the site give advice about options to test what is in a pill.

On its one-arm bandit "game" about mixing drugs, it suggests under the combination of mixing cocaine with alcohol, "some people set themselves the rule of only one alcoholic drink per line".

Often the information is simply meaningless. On mixing cocaine and LSD it states: "No point at all." A more informative replay might point out that stimulating the central nervous system with cocaine might not be a clever thing to do when taking a hallucinogen.

The list of mistakes and misleading advice supplied to the Eye, and confirmed by other experts, is lengthy. Shame the government didn't give the £3m to those drug workers and agencies who know what they are doing.


Thoughts?
Pab
It doesnt push the debate very far in any particular direction, but I'd like to say that that sort of campaign, following the 'let's inform them about what they are getting in to' vain, seems to me to provide more incentive for trying the stuff in the first place than anything else. I've learnt more from Commies transcription than in a life-time of going out at night ... I read it and think 'oh right, we'll try that one then (except I'm not going to, but the point remains)

As for the funky 'yeah, we're all cool, we talk to the youth of today in their own language cos we're believable, franck, tell-it-like-it-is' attitude, well ... gimme a bucket ... It looks alot like stabbing themselves in the foot in too many ways.

The 'errors' part of things is just a final giggle, though worrying
acid_rain_child
I don't think I understand. Why is the site talking about one drink per line anyway? If it's raising drug awareness, shouldn't it be discouraging the drug use, not encouraging a one drink per blow rule?
Is Talk to Frank trying to get kids more aware of what they're getting themselves into, or trying to stop drug use before it starts?

I guess this goes to show that not all drug awareness is good drug awareness. Like those forsaken commercials we have here. They're trying to tell me that marijuana leads to rape, gun play and car accidents. The truth is, when you're stoned and driving, you're going 20 miles an hour cause A. you're paranoid you don't want to get caught and B. you think you're going really fast anyway. Also, when was the last time you were baked and thought, "Oh, there's my father's shotgun, I think I'll go fiddle with it!"? Okay, I don't know about you, but I'm hanging out on the couch watchng tv. Or in a car driving 30 on the highway.
Pab
I've just had a look at the actual site, and although it commits some crimes that I tend to puke at, I'd say the private Eye is making more of a meal out of it than is to be seen on the sight ....
CommieBastard
QUOTE (acid_rain_child @ Jun 21 2004, 10:41 PM)
I guess this goes to show that not all drug awareness is good drug awareness. Like those forsaken commercials we have here. They're trying to tell me that marijuana leads to rape, gun play and car accidents. The truth is, when you're stoned and driving, you're going 20 miles an hour cause A. you're paranoid you don't want to get caught and B. you think you're going really fast anyway. Also, when was the last time you were baked and thought, "Oh, there's my father's shotgun, I think I'll go fiddle with it!"? Okay, I don't know about you, but I'm hanging out on the couch watchng tv. Or in a car driving 30 on the highway.

It amazes me that people would drive stoned. You have to get up, put shoes on, find your keys, find out which of your keys is for the car, put a coat on, look everywhere for your shoes, realise you're already wearing them, my but that sofa looks inviting...
acid_rain_child
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It amazes me that people would drive stoned. You have to get up, put shoes on, find your keys, find out which of your keys is for the car, put a coat on, look everywhere for your shoes, realise you're already wearing them, my but that sofa looks inviting...


That's what bake rides are for. To HELL with actually getting up and driving after a session. Too much work and food in the pantry. The commercial I'm talking about said something stupid like 2/3 car accidents show a stoned driver or something. It was a really high number, but I don't think it was right at all. I might go find the commercial to be sure what nonsense they were spouting.

I just went to the site, and actually learned things myself. I agree with Pab, they gave it a bad review unduely. First thing I learned, however, was that my friends got burned cause they spent $10 for half a pill of E, when one pill costs 3 pounds over there tongue.gif Seriously, though, it looks educational and worth a visit.
Juiceisgood
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On 2CBs and 2C-T-7, often sold as ecstacy but with a more hallucinogenic effect, it sais: "Sold as white powder or tiny 5mg pills. Most people take several at a tiome and effects can last from 4 to 8 hours." Except as drug workers warn, the strengths of the pill can be very different and taking multiple pills of unknown quantity is extremely risky. Nowhere does the site give advice about options to test what is in a pill.


I once had five of those things, 2CB that is, in ten mg pills. I agree that information is misleading, and illinformed, but yeah, those things don't get sold as Es either. And the "more hallucinagenic effect" is alot MORE hallucinagenic that any E I've every had. These things are akin to acid, VERY akin to acid, and not something you want to take by mistake... they should have mentioned that, if you don't know what it is, bad times are ahead...

I mean, can you imagine freaking out on acid because someone dosed you and didn't tell you? =\

And yeah, I've had them more than that time, in more sane dosages, they go pound for pound with a good blotter trip for sure.

2CB, in every incarnation I've ever seen them, is at least 50% more expensive than most Es. People don't sell them as Es because people don't pay that much for eccies, and they sell alot quicker as 2CB anyway. Good acid is sometimes difficult to get, and these things are a good substitute.

Yeah, I dunno, I mean, we're acting like people actually pay attention to these things anyway. The only really useful knowledge comes from more... practical activities. =D
froggle-rock
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Yeah, I dunno, I mean, we're acting like people actually pay attention to these things anyway. The only really useful knowledge comes from more... practical activities. =D


I agree, I much rather go bt wor d of mouth than anything else, though I do like to read up on stuff.
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