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PHEONIX-=SWEADY=-
hey people how man yof you like Koяn n is anybody els here a sweady like me
sweady(relative of a goth) im a sweadywoot im also a noob to this place n i dont know how to use things n i get get a perosnal pikture working it ses theres an error
I_am_the_best
I like Korn!! but.. doesn't this belong in media?
PHEONIX-=SWEADY=-
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
FINALLY SUM HU LIEKS Koяn vote for korn on my poll w0000ttt
Mata
Hi there, you mention wanting to know about this place, there's loads of help for people trying to set up avatars in the Introductions forum in the threads pinned at the top. The most common problem is a mistyped URL.

While I'm here it's probably a good point to mention that this forum is for people to post in a reasonably accurate impersonation of standard English, meaning that we use capitalisation, punctuation, and try to spell things correctly whenever we can. There are many reasons that I have this as one of my rules but I'm not going to retype them all here. I know it's a pain to start off with but it does get a lot easier quite quickly, and it makes it more likely that people will read your posts rather than skipping them to read something that's easier on the eyes! Sorry to sound stern when you've only just joined, but I figured it was worth mentioning to help you get used to it as early as possible!

For the record, I think Korn are okay, but they're not really my thing.
Sir Psycho Sexy
*is sulking that someone has managed to sully the good name of pheonix*
PsychWardMike
I can't stand Korn. The k. The backwards R. The stupid name in the first place. And their music isn't that good anyway. And please, do type properly. I've grown accustomed to not having to decipher anything and though I'm a bit spoiled, I must maintain my way of life.

For something more in my tastes... these bands are all good:

Blues Traveler
Meatloaf
Aerosmith
Metallica
Reel Big Fish
Big Bad Voodoo Daddy
Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band

And they're all a tad more... musical than Korn.
Sir Psycho Sexy
abbrasive and self-righteous as usual
trunks_girl26
QUOTE (Sir_Psycho_Sexy @ Jan 16 2005, 02:30 AM)
abbrasive and self-righteous as usual
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That's Mike for ya. But you gotta love him for his consistancy laugh.gif

As for Korn, I've heard a bit. It's not awful and it's not wonderful. It just is, I guess....wow, that was not helpful in the least. Sorry 'bout that.

But while I'm here, could you clarify what a sweady is? I've never heard the term, and I'm wondering what the difference is between a sweady and a goth is.
PsychWardMike
Because you're so much better, SPS
elphaba2
*grabs fire extinguisher*
PHEONIX-=SWEADY=-
well i like Koяn the way its written is ment to be as a child rote it but dotn ask me why
Mata
They're good at the sort of music that they do, but to my tastes there are more fun nu-metal bands around than them. Still, there are many that are far worse than Korn. Were Korn the ones that did the track on the second Tomb Raider film? Angelina Jolie is in the video, they're playing music in an alley dressed in black, she's in white and there's some kind of portal/border between them. That's quite a fun track, if that was them. As you can probably guess, as a band they haven't made much of an impression on me!

And Mike, _again_, please don't be so dismissive. A simple phrase such as 'in my opinion' would be sufficient to make your language more polite. The problem is that you make proclamations as if there is no other way of seeing the world, and that's what winds people up. Sentences like "And their music isn't that good anyway." show that you are giving no room for other people's opinions, and flexibility is essential to discussion. Your style of writing would be suitable for writing television reviews in a newspaper, where monological barking is the usual form, but this is a forum for discussion and you really do have to learn to be tolerant of other people's tastes.

P-Sweady, could you _please_ try and use capitals and punctuation in your posts. It is the forum rules and AOL-spellings do tend to annoy people here (including me).

... Right, you lot, play nicely and follow the rules. At the moment it seems like every time I come on here I'm having to remind people how to carry out basic principles of polite discussion. I try to have fun in this place too, but this pettiness is irritating. I shouldn't have to keep on telling people these kind of things. If you are grown-up enough to be using the internet you should also know the basics of how to be tolerant of other people and the meaning of respect for the values of others. This covers the range from writing in correct English through to giving credence to interpretations of the world that differ from your own. These are not difficult things. Most of you probably do them every day with your families, your friends, co-workers, or teachers.

Respect and communication are the things that hold together a society. These two values do not come from religion or fear, they come from the most basic principles that have held together every human society from the start of recorded history. I believe that the society we are living in is tearing itself apart because these core values have been replaced with greed and selfishness. I have faith that our generation can be better than the one of our parents, I believe that we have the ability to reshape the world into a peaceful place, but we have to show tolerance and respect towards each-other. We have to be able to talk fluently, without dismissing ideas and thoughts that we disagree with. If we cannot even be eloquent, polite, and tolerant about something as simple as taste in music then how the hell are we going to ever learn to confront big issues in life when we meet people are racist or hold other bigotted values? Without reaching out to these people we will only reinforce their stereotypes and hate towards anything different from them. By attempting to understand others you can work with them to find a way of reaching a common ground from which you can progress.

This is also precisely why it is important to be able to communicate efficiently using the language available to us. Writing and speaking in eloquent English is difficult, and it takes practise, but learning it as a skill opens doors to you throughout your life. Without full control over our language then we stand less chance of ever being able to express ourselves or understand the opinions of others.

Yes, I know that this is a very grand view of the world to take from a stilted discussion of a metal band, but that's the point. We have to change the way that we think and act from the smallest things upwards if we are ever going to stand a chance of stopping hatred in this world. If we start now in the small places in our lives then the affects of these changes will resonate in our lives for longer, meaning that there is a greater chance that in the future will we be more prepared to face confrontations that will take all of our skill to overcome.

... And that's why, Mike, you will be more tolerant and careful with your language and why P-Sweady will write with correct English. Only you can save the world! biggrin.gif

I don't want to have to write something like this again tomorrow.
snooodlysnoosnoosnoodle
I've seen korn live, they were pretty good. They may not be the best band ever but they got two mosh pits going and I got stuck in the three rows of people that separated them. It was of much fun-ness.

smile.gif
PHEONIX-=SWEADY=-
Koяn i think there musik great and the songs go deep no1 seems to realise they do most people i know just in it for the musik n dont focus on what they say the 1st album focussies on jonathon davies child hood and ion the second album kill you he goes really deep in that
Mata
Have you even read my requests that you type using capitals, puntuation, etc?

Your last post should read:

"I think their music is great and the songs are deep. No-one seems to realise they are, most people I know are just in it for the music and don't focus on what Koяn say. The 1st album focuses on Jonathon Davies' childhood, and on the second album 'Kill You' he goes really deeply into that."

Yes, I know it's effort, but it gets easier and it's the rules of this forum. Like it or lump it. Even people who have linguistic difficulties (such as dyslexia, which some of the members here have in varying degrees of severity) make the effort! It's the attempt that counts.
I_am_the_best
I like Korn. I mean, I don't like some of their loud bashy stuff, but Word Up is cool.
Faerieryn
I don't mind Korn. I enjoyed the follow the leader (?) album but i picked it up because of the Greg Capullo (?) cover. I'm more of a soft rock fan myself. Oh and Sweady, no offense but your last post nearly made my eyes bleed. We don't mind spelling istakes in here heck we're not ALL perfect but PLEASE try and use syandard english as Mata asks. PLease!!!
PsychWardMike
Alright... let's repost this in the way that it was intended to be read. I really didn't mean to start an argument like that believe it or not.

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"I personally can't stand Korn largely admittedly due to superficial reasons. The k and the backwards R bother me and I honestly feel that the name wasn't that great in the first place (band names say a lot to me.)

I also find that their music isn't very good either. I don't give much credit to the yelling and low tuned guitars, but some people do, and hey, that's their cup of tea.

And since this topic asks for people to discuss their favorite musical tastes, these are some running along mine:

Blues Traveler
Meatloaf
Aerosmith
Metallica
Reel Big Fish
Big Bad Voodoo Daddy
Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band

I just find them to be a tad more musical."

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Better? That's what I intended for it to sound like. No real offense intended.
Sir Psycho Sexy
now THAT I can reply to,

The name bugs me too, also might have something to do with the association with those kids who label themselves goths.

Though I would argue against the drop tuning on guitars, open D (DADGAD) is a nice sound, I particularly like Lullaby by Creed for example. On top of that, some of the Red Hot Chili Peppers stuff uses E flat tuning, Under the Bridge being one...but don't hold me to that. wink.gif
Mata
Aww, it's a Mike/SPS love fest! tongue.gif Cheers Mike, I know that's the way you mean things to be read, but as you've no doubt gathered by now, that's not always the way it comes out. I've heard of all of those groups except for Big Bad Voodoo Daddy, what sort of thing do they do?

*watches as key tuning conversation goes over my head* Guitar-sound-twangy-goodness. Uh-huh. *nods*
PsychWardMike
Big Bad Voodoo Daddy was part of the swing revival of the 90's. Kind of like the Brian Setzer Orchestra, remeber them? It's neo swing and Big Bad Voodoo Daddy doesn't have the amazing guitar work of Setzer, but they have some great horn work.

Of course, I'd recommend any of my aforementioned bands, but that, of course is because they're my favorite band.
Sir Psycho Sexy
QUOTE (Mata @ Jan 17 2005, 03:07 AM)
Aww, it's a Mike/SPS love fest! tongue.gif
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*shakes fist* why I oughta....!!
PsychWardMike
Stand down SPS... this is the almighty Mata you deal with. ph34r.gif
Daedalus
QUOTE (Sir_Psycho_Sexy @ Jan 17 2005, 01:00 AM)
now THAT I can reply to,

The name bugs me too, also might have something to do with the association with those kids who label themselves goths.

Though I would argue against the drop tuning on guitars, open D (DADGAD) is a nice sound, I particularly like Lullaby by Creed for example. On top of that, some of the Red Hot Chili Peppers stuff uses E flat tuning, Under the Bridge being one...but don't hold me to that. wink.gif
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Korn actually use 7 stringed guitars (usually tuned to A D G C F A D according to the tabs I've seen). Metallica sometimes use non-standard tunings as well Mike. Dropped tunings are indeed nifty, but I tend not to use them, simply because I can't be bothered with rebalancing my tremolo.

[/jargon]

Anyway, Korn are okayish, but they're a bit too nu-metally for my taste. I also saw them at Download (snoo would have been ripped apart by crazy moshing people if it weren't for me laugh.gif) and they are very good live, but they're still not really my cup of tea.
Sir Psycho Sexy
QUOTE (PsychWardMike @ Jan 17 2005, 02:15 PM)
Stand down SPS... this is the almighty Mata you deal with.  ph34r.gif
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*mutters* fanboy....


*weeps for ibanez*
PHEONIX-=SWEADY=-
well sorry mata for my spelling and punctuation<-(is that hwo you spell it :s )
Im bothered about the names unless and why am i bein discriminated for me being a sweady n there was a "no offence" i feel like im being the odd one out.
snooodlysnoosnoosnoodle
How can we discriminate against you for being a "Sweady" when I'm pretty sure alot of us don't know what one is. This board isn't one for discriminating, if you've taken offence to anything someone has said I'm sure it was not their intention to offend.

To me Sweady is just a random word and I'm sure it is to some other people as well because at least one asked what it meant.

So, care to tell us what a Sweady is?
PHEONIX-=SWEADY=-
People Who Are Into Rock Like "Slipknot" And "Koяn" Modern Rock We Wear Baggy Jeans Often Black or Blue I Have Black *im sorry but this is hard to explain* And Please No-one Say Were Goths Because Were Not Were Close But Not If You Get Me, even tho we are sweadies we also get called it and often discriminated there are peopl called "skallies" They go Round With There Trakky pants in there socks ohmy.gif they cause fights they hate sweadies and If Anyone Knows what a mosher is its close to that and sweady also means somthing but i don't think im aloud to say it on this forums<-only tryign to respect the rules,Thank you for taking an interest smile.gif
DarkInferno
/me has no idea what the hell a Sweady is... or even how you would go about pronouncing it. (s-weed-y, swed-y?)

Personally I first thought he was a person from sweden, then I thought that maybe the person (I appologise but I have no idea if you're male or female) really, really liked swedes.

QUOTE (PHEONIX-=SWEADY=- @ Jan 17 2005, 05:29 PM)
well sorry mata for my spelling and punctuation<-(is that hwo you spell it :s )
Im bothered about the names unless and why am i bein discriminated for me being a sweady n there was a "no offence" i feel like im being the odd one out.
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QUOTE (Translation Attempt #1)
I am sorry Mata, for my spelling and punctuation (is that how you spell it?  unsure.gif).
I'm bothered about the names unless and why am I being discriminated for me being a 'sweady' and there was a "no offence". [I have no ideas towards the meaning of the previous sentence.]
I feel like I'm the odd one out.
PHEONIX-=SWEADY=-
Its okay Im A Male,Laughing out loud biggrin.gif
DarkInferno
QUOTE (PHEONIX-=SWEADY=- @ Jan 17 2005, 06:05 PM)
People Who Are Into Rock Like "Slipknot" And "Koяn" Modern Rock  We Wear Baggy Jeans Often Black or Blue I Have Black *im sorry but this is hard to explain* And Please No-one Say Were Goths Because Were Not Were Close But Not If You Get Me, even tho we are sweadies we also get called it and often discriminated there are peopl called "skallies" They go Round With There Trakky pants in there socks ohmy.gif they cause fights they hate sweadies and If Anyone Knows what a mosher is its close to that and sweady also means somthing but i don't think im aloud to say it on this forums<-only tryign to respect the rules,Thank you for taking an interest smile.gif
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QUOTE (Translation Attempt #1)
People who are into Pop-Nu-Metal like Slipknot and Korn, We wear baggy jeans (often black or blue: I personally have black).  (I'm sorry, but this is hard to explain)
Please do not say we are Goths, because we are not, we are close but no proverbial cigar.
Even though we are 'sweadies' we often get called goths[?] and discriminated against by 'skallies' [see 'chav'?] who pick fights whilst wondering around in their tracksuits, tucked into their socks.
If anybody knows what a 'mosher' is that is also fairly close.
'Sweady' also means somthing else but I think it would be against forum rules.

Thank You for taking an interest.  smile.gif
Mata
*thwacks Pat around the head with a newspaper*
PHEONIX-=SWEADY=-
Who Is Pat? blink.gif <- that smiley rules
Sir Psycho Sexy
ow! cheeky bugger!

You just wait til Notts! yes, you're scared now! whats that? you're not? bugger...

Well, you're off my Christmas card list now!! tongue.gif
PHEONIX-=SWEADY=-
Whaa Am I Off The List?, Nooooo!!! blink.gif Little Goth Girl Rules!!!
No serious who is pat? blink.gif
Sir Psycho Sexy
I'm Pat, and Mata's off my list...I don't know you, so you were never on it...
PHEONIX-=SWEADY=-
OKay laugh.gif pat Little Goth Girl Rules!!!
snooodlysnoosnoosnoodle
o.O

I had you down for a girl (oops.)

Why does everyone need labels? Why can't you just be <insert your name here> instead of being labeled, even weirder - labeling yourself.

It makes no sense to me, I like having personal identity. I don't want to be "oi! goffic!!" or anything like that. huh.gif
PHEONIX-=SWEADY=-
okay Come On You All Know Little Goth Girl Rules!!!
PsychWardMike
I'm with snoo about the label thing, but I won't elaborate. When I rant about that, I get in trouble.

And I'm more of a Snaffleburger and MIttens fan.
elphaba2
I always thought Little Goth Girl was more an ironic commentary on gothicness in general--kind of like the poem at the end of Skippy. Plus, she's kind of.....you know, _not_real.

Doesn't mean I don't love her, but it does mean I make faces at people who see my LGG shirt and say "Oh, you're a goth?"
snooodlysnoosnoosnoodle
QUOTE (elphaba2 @ Jan 17 2005, 08:41 PM)
Doesn't mean I don't love her, but it does mean I make faces at people who see my LGG shirt and say "Oh, you're a goth?"
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ARGH! I hate that too.
It's why I'm worried about what having LGG stuff available in Blue Banana will do, I worry for her ironic commentary on gothic. unsure.gif
PHEONIX-=SWEADY=-
blink.gif A who and a what now? blink.gif
Faerieryn
The word Goth always make me laugh. SO many "groups" of people are called Goths. I have friends who wear PVC and listen o Marilyn Manson- Goths. I have other friends who wear velvet and listen to Soft Cell- Goths. I have friends who wear black jeans and T shirts and Listen to Metallica- Goths. I have been called a Goth for doing all these things plus dying my hair black at secondary school. The other day two year 11's walked into my classroom thinking it to be another teacher's. They took one look at me (wearing a black jumper and dark purple lippy) and walked out. I distinctly heared them say to others as they walked out "She's not there. Just that Goth teacher." I was rather proud of myself!
Mata
I figured that Sweady might be specific word for people who liked Korn. I hadn't really put a lot of thought into why this might be, although the possibility had crossed my mind that it might be because the Korn doll's head looks a bit like a Swede.

Yes, the LGG animations do have an element of irony about them towards gothyness. The next animation will be a bit more blunt about this actually, but it is a very affectionate irony. I have lots of goth friends and they're lovely people!

P-Sweady, you're not being picked on, I tell anyone who is writing in extremely informal English about the rules of this forum. You only need to use capitalisation at the beginnings of sentences, the word 'I', and for proper nouns. I Think That Capitalising Everything Was Even Harder To Read Than No Capitals At All!
Quoth(The Raven)
Hey, I'm Dyslexic, and couldn't be bothered to learn about things like Parts of speech, and punctuation, in school. I'm self taught, through voracious reading. With all of that, I find Mata's rules on language to be reasonably liberal... There are some REAL sticklers in the forums, and they aren't afraid to let you know how they feel...

On topic, my tastes in music are hopelessly out of date... and the terminology, here, is rapidly leaving me in the dust...
PsychWardMike
Yeah the Grammar Nazis can be pretty bad.

And Quoth, I'm jus tnow noticing in your signature something about coffee and Capcom. Care to explain? mad.gif

I am prepared to kung fu fight.
Daedalus
QUOTE (PHEONIX-=SWEADY=- @ Jan 17 2005, 06:05 PM)
People Who Are Into Rock Like "Slipknot" And "Koяn" Modern Rock  We Wear Baggy Jeans Often Black or Blue I Have Black *im sorry but this is hard to explain* And Please No-one Say Were Goths Because Were Not Were Close But Not If You Get Me, even tho we are sweadies we also get called it and often discriminated there are peopl called "skallies" They go Round With There Trakky pants in there socks ohmy.gif they cause fights they hate sweadies and If Anyone Knows what a mosher is its close to that and sweady also means somthing but i don't think im aloud to say it on this forums<-only tryign to respect the rules,Thank you for taking an interest smile.gif
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Hmm. I also don't get why you feel the need to label yourself and restrict your personality to a sterotypically defined box, but oh well. Where I come from (and everywhere I've been) 'Sweadies' are called simply 'Metallers', 'Rockers', 'Grebos' or 'Moshers', or something that actually has some sort of link to the music (Grebo is the exception, but that goes back a long way). As for 'Skallies', they're roughly equivalent to 'Chavs' or 'Townies'. Just so you know what people are on about when they use a different term on here (although I don't think there's many people here that identify with any particular stereotype except 'Goth'. Most forumites seem to be fairly individual).
Mata
Yes! We're all individuals... Just like each-other! wink.gif

I can't say I've heard the term 'Grebo' much. Is it anything to do with the cat in the Prachett books?
Daedalus
QUOTE (Mata @ Jan 19 2005, 03:34 PM)
I can't say I've heard the term 'Grebo' much. Is it anything to do with the cat in the Prachett books?
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Must be a Cheltenham thing. Inbreeding creates weird linguistic anomalies laugh.gif
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