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Mata
As some of you have probably noticed, at the moment I'm trying various ways of making this site profitable while not costing my visitors anything. Think of it as a way of screwing money out of the people that charge too much for simple things anyway.

In that line of thinking, I'm now an associate with Amazon. The media industry likes to overprice things if you ask me, but in the end we still want their stuff so we have to bite the bullet.

Anyway, at the bottom of the forum pages and below the animations are now search boxes for Amazon. There's .com on the left and .co.uk on the right (if there's a big demand for anywhere else, such as from someone in Australia who uses Amazon lots then let me know). When you buy something after using one of those links then a few percent goes to me.

You don't pay anymore for things that you'd probably buy anyway, and I get to take money away from Amazon. Everyone's a winner!

If you are buying something from Amazon, please remember about this function on my site. I'd really appreciate it, cheers!
Usurper MrTeapot
You mentioned in the advertising thread about hits on adverts. As I search through Amazon quite a bit I was wondering if I use your link do you get anything for that or is that just wishful thinking?

But for buying books and music, will do.
Snugglebum the Destroyer
See - you should have done this yesterday as I brought a spanking new webcam from Amazon.

*sigh* Suppose I'll just have to go back and shop some more. evil.gif
Phyllis
Aww. Too bad you didn't do this 2 weeks ago. I just bought my textbooks from there. sad.gif But I will remember that this fall when I have to buy books again. smile.gif Although hmm I wonder if you still get money if it's from someone selling a used book on Amazon rather than a book Amazon is providing themselves, new?
Mata
QUOTE (MrTeapot @ Apr 7 2005, 02:29 PM)
You mentioned in the advertising thread about hits on adverts. As I search through Amazon quite a bit I was wondering if I use your link do you get anything for that or is that just wishful thinking?

But for buying books and music, will do.
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As far as I can tell, the session remains active for a day after you use the link to visit the site:

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We keep track of the Associates ID as the customer browses through our Web site, and even if they close their browser and come back later that day.


So I'm guessing that you could browse for 23hours 59minutes before making your purchase then my site still gets the commision.

Well, that how I _think_ it works anyway! But yes, it seems fine for you to browse before buying, you don't need to have gone directly to purchasing straight from the search on my site.

EDIT: Damn! I've had the code to do this for a couple of weeks but not had the time and/or have forgotten when I did have the time to do it. Oh well...
Jonman
Ooh. Jedi mind powers. I was just looking at turgid MATLAB books earlier today so that I can actually be able to do my job.

They're flipping expensive like. And I'd echo Cand's question about second hand stuff - Amazon themselves take a percentage of those sales (quite a high one too, let me tell you as someone who offloads their old books on there). I wonder if they'll give part of that away.
Mata
After a bit of Googling, I've seen on another that I do, but no confirmation on Amazon yet...

EDIT: I can't find anything in their T&C saying that they _don't_ so I suspect that I get the same rate for used and new.
little_bear
I think this is pretty cool. It's right at the bottom of the page, so for the most part it's always hidden, plus I do a lot of shopping through Amazon, so this'll be pretty useful should I need it. I like em.
Mata
There were some banners which would have been more prominent and eye-catching, but I'm trying to make these things annoy people as little as possible!

I don't know about other people, but I often use Amazon as a reference point too, so I hope it's quite handy as well as creating a bit of income for the site.
Forever Unknown
Eeeeyyy! I'm an Amazon whore, so I shall definitely be taking advantage of useful linkiness.
markslut
I would but I have my own (esp as I have about 10 days to find new hosting if demand for my site stays this high and the job not looking too rosy) which currently has paid 2GB's excess bandwidth
I_am_the_best
I love having the search boxes at the bottom of the page. You think that it's the bottom, then suddenly there's more! I'm very easily amused. I buy lots of books from Amazon so all is good!
JimiJimi
I didn't realise how much I'd be annoyed by those banners... just looking at them makes me annoyed, but I don't have to scroll down to them! Isn't that just amazing?

Well, no, not really, but I don't have to be annoyed, so... err... I guess this calls for a 'yay'.

Also I do use amazon quite a lot. So, it's all 'yay'.
Mata
Markslut: Talk to my hosts, http://www.steadfastnetworks.com/ they're a huge amount cheaper than UK hosts, with a nice lot of bandwidth. I've got a custom package because I use so much, but their best off-the-shelf one is 80 for a year with 150GB per month transfer. Their hosting has been damn near rock solid too. They're one of the best hosts I've been with, and the price is great.

I_am_the_best: Glad you like them!

Jimi: sorry you don't like them!

These are about as unintrusive as I could make them. I didn't have to put them on the forums, but I figure that the amount of regulars on here mean that there's got to be people popping on and then going shopping. If I didn't have the links on the pages then it would be easy to forget about them being below the animations. I did try to work out how to have them in my sig, but it was refusing to let me do that.

I quite like them actually plus Sues is constantly asking me to check things on amazon while I'm browsing around on here, so this will make it nice and easy to do.

Sadly Jimi, if you find these intrusive then you really won't like the proper banners when they kick in. That's probably going to be in a couple of weeks time (I think). To get a decent amount per-click for the banners then they will have to be at the top of the page. The amazon thing I figure is actually quite handy, but it will take a lot of people spending money with amazon to make much of a difference at my end I think, so it's really just an idea to see how it goes and if people like them being there. I hope it will do well, but I'm not holding my breath!

When the real banners come in it will be best to think of them in terms of donating to my site. If everyone who visited my site everday clicked on a banner then I would get around 30,000 per month. That's a lot of people. Currently the donations are... Well, lets just say that there are a few individuals who have been doing more than their fair share! I certainly wouldn't want them to be taking the burden for everyone else, but in the end I do need to make money and banners are a good way to do it.

It's possible that I might get around 1% of visitors clicking, and that would be very useful in helping me pay the rent!
Usurper MrTeapot
To get my favourite webcomics to a better standing in the comic ranks I tended to go around all the computers in my IT room (scrambled ip numbers) and vote around 15-20 times each go.

Perhaps this tactic can be repeated for the Mata Money Drive. You'll be a millionaire in a week.
Mata
That really would be lovely. *dreams of paying thousands of monkeys to randomly type until they produce my thesis for me*
Righteous
As I've said, I don't pay Mata's bills, so it isn't my call. However, I'd like to point out that their location is rather out-of-the-way and it's Amazon so chances are at least a few of us will actually use them.

If I ever want to buy anything from Amazon, I'll be sure to do it through here.
beleraphon
Well, I buy music via a portal to MNS on somone elses site, so I'll buy books and dvd's via the amazon portal here.
Doesn't bother me at all and if it helps then great!
Jonman
QUOTE (Forever Unknown @ Apr 7 2005, 04:46 PM)
Eeeeyyy! I'm an Amazon whore
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So let me get this straight....

You've cut one breast off so it doesn't interfere with your archery, but you'll accept money for sex?

blink.gif
Jaq
QUOTE (Jonman @ Apr 8 2005, 06:45 PM)
QUOTE (Forever Unknown @ Apr 7 2005, 04:46 PM)
Eeeeyyy! I'm an Amazon whore
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So let me get this straight....

You've cut one breast off so it doesn't interfere with your archery, but you'll accept money for sex?

blink.gif
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I thought that was for the swinging of the swords. *shrugs*

Anywho, the Amazon thing is fine. I don't have to pay the bills for this very large site, I don't have to look at it if I don't want to and it just seems like the most practical thing to do.

Also, I buy things from Amazon a few times a year...
Mata
Actually, the bills for the site have now been covered by some of the regulars on here in their donations over the last couple of months, for which I am very grateful. This is now to help me pay the rent and buy food! ... Actually, the tax year has just ended, so I need to find money to pay my accountant, so some money will be going towards that.
markslut
QUOTE (Mata @ Apr 7 2005, 11:51 PM)
Markslut: Talk to my hosts, http://www.steadfastnetworks.com/ they're a huge amount cheaper than UK hosts, with a nice lot of bandwidth. I've got a custom package because I use so much, but their best off-the-shelf one is 80 for a year with 150GB per month transfer. Their hosting has been damn near rock solid too. They're one of the best hosts I've been with, and the price is great.

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I am currently moving to Globat, 75GB transfer and 5GB space for $5 per month smile.gif

hopefully that will tide me over smile.gif
Hobbes
On an old website of mine I had an associates program with Amazon. I believe that the percentage commission you get varies on how that person made the purchase:

You get the highest % if you link to the exact item that they buy. A lot of sites have people going, "This CD is really cool... click here to buy it on Amazon." And should they do so, you get . Then, if they have searched for the item via your page, I believe you get a slightly lesser amount. Finally, if they link to Amazon via your page, you get the lowest amount.

You can also set up a recommendations page which you link to, upon which you push people in the direction of certain items. I believe this gives you a similar commission level as a direct item link.

As for second-hand items, sold through Amazon's ebay-esque private-sale system: I am fairly certain you don't get anything on this. Also, you dont receive a % on some Amazon items - I think this includes the electronics/hardware departments. Plus, if a buyer returns his/her item for a refund, your commission is taken back. There are some other bits and pieces too, which my memory fails to remember.

Essentially though, Mata... if you want to earn the highest %, you should set up a page where you recommend books, DVDs, CDs, etc. with links to their pages on Amazon.
Usurper MrTeapot
Perhaps some of the recommendations in the Media threads could do the work for you. All this "best of" this and "greatest X to" that.
Mata
I've considered making a page like this just because I quite like the idea, but, from what I can tell from the literature, there's a standard rate that increases the more items I sell. It may be that they've simplified the system since then.
Hobbes
My old associate account is still active. And it still holds the 3.21 I 'earned'.
MistressAlti
Is there any reason that I *wouldn't* see the amazon toolbar/ad at the bottom of the forums?

I never see it on mine, but I checked the forums without logging in from a different computer and saw them. Why does this happen?
CommieBastard
Wait, there are supposed to be Amazon things on the forums? I can't see them... I can see them on the main page of the site, though.
Moosh
Yep and they look like this:



Is it coincidence that two mods can't see them?
JimiJimi
QUOTE (Mata @ Apr 8 2005, 12:51 AM)
Jimi: sorry you don't like them!

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Sadly Jimi, if you find these intrusive then you really won't like the proper banners when they kick in. That's probably going to be in a couple of weeks time (I think). To get a decent amount per-click for the banners then they will have to be at the top of the page. The amazon thing I figure is actually quite handy, but it will take a lot of people spending money with amazon to make much of a difference at my end I think, so it's really just an idea to see how it goes and if people like them being there. I hope it will do well, but I'm not holding my breath!
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I don't like new stuff, but once I get used to it it's not so bad, I think they're OK now, and fortunately I buy stuff quite often from Amazon if it's not on eBay...

So, those new banners which are going in soon I'm sure I'll get used to!

QUOTE (Hobbes @ Apr 11 2005, 09:09 PM)
As for second-hand items, sold through Amazon's ebay-esque private-sale system: I am fairly certain you don't get anything on this.
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That's bad, I buy more second-hand stuff than new stuff off of Amazon...

QUOTE (Hobbes @ Apr 11 2005, 09:09 PM)
Also, you dont receive a % on some Amazon items - I think this includes the electronics/hardware departments.
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Err... do DVDs, Dreamcast (yes, I have a lovely little Dreamcast... well I have two but that's another story) and PC games? I'm probably more likely to be buying them than books, although there is a book I'm after soon, so if you want to set up a direct link to Douglas Adams' 'Mostly Harmless' for the most ... tongue.gif
Hobbes
QUOTE (CommieBastard @ Apr 12 2005, 07:33 PM)
Wait, there are supposed to be Amazon things on the forums? I can't see them... I can see them on the main page of the site, though.
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Oh... I can't see them on the forums either. I see them on the main website (well, the home page; I've not checked the animation pages), but I don't see the adverts on the forum pages.

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re: %
Err... do DVDs, Dreamcast (yes, I have a lovely little Dreamcast... well I have two but that's another story) and PC games?


I think so. I meant hardware electronics, rather than software. i.e. you don't get anything if someone buys an iPod. Having said that, from Mata it sounds like the rules have changed, so it may well be different now.
CommieBastard
Update: I can see them when I log out, they disappear once more if I log back in. So it may be something to do with my modship, though that wouldn't explain why Hobbes can't see them.
Usurper MrTeapot
Hobbes is clearly a mod in disguise.
Hobbes
QUOTE (MrTeapot @ Apr 12 2005, 10:19 PM)
Hobbes is clearly a mod in disguise.
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My cover is blown!
Mata
I think I might know what's causing that. Down the bottom of the page, are you using one of the 'pre-2.0' skins? Try putting it on the default one.

EDIT: I've checked and I do get the same percentage on 'third-party' sales, so I guess that's second-hand stuff, and from the US site I get that on the first $25 of electronics hardware. The UK doesn't say anything about money on hardware as far as I can see, but I assume it's probably a similar arrangement.
Hobbes
QUOTE (Mata @ Apr 13 2005, 03:13 PM)
I think I might know what's causing that. Down the bottom of the page, are you using one of the 'pre-2.0' skins? Try putting it on the default one.
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Aha! That'll do nicely!
Mata
I might do a bit of database wrangling at some point and turn everyone's forum skin over onto being the default one. Pixiegoth was having a problem where the 'subscribe to this topic' box thingy was always selected, and I eventually tracked that down to the skin as well. It might be easiest to just swap everyone's over.
markslut
oo Ad's

Please mata. I beg you no noisy adverts, especially for mobile ringtones featuring a frog
Mata
I have requested that I don't get any ads from spawn-of-Satan-Jamster, but I don't have full control over what I get. My requests were 'no adult sites and not bloody annoying Jamster'.

Who is more annoying: the frog or the chick? Either way, I hate them both.

I generally hate mobile phones, so having a discreet and easily ignorable advert for them at the top of the page is quite funny really. I get to ignore them and take their money. Hurrah!
Snugglebum the Destroyer
The frog is more annoying then the chick but only just. *noddles*

Although - I have it on good authority that the chick will annoy Calantyr more so get the chick anyway and make sure it sings. evil.gif
Calantyr
NO! PLEASE NO! FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS PURE AND GOOD, NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Has only just managed to get those annoying tunes out of his head!*
depressed lonely crazy person
how do you feel about "the party bee".... I find him maxi big cute
Mata
I've not seen or heard that one yet, and frankly I'm quite happy about this situation...

Okay, the banners are up in the places that they're going to stay. I initially wasn't going to put up skyscraper ones next to the animations, but they are worth considerably more than the normal banners and they double the income for the page, so I figured I would be very stupid not to do it.

I find it quite odd that my site might actually make me a profit in the next few months! It'll take about two months, possibly a little bit more, before the income from this reaches me, but if it does net a reasonable amount then I'll be taking down the donations page. I'm not going to ask for money if I've already got a reasonable income from the site!
Mata
Am I the only person who sees the funny side of having an advert for a meat-mincer next to the Crippen Bang animation? biggrin.gif
Sir Psycho Sexy
Right now, I'm being encouraged to gamble on Champions League football, the other day it was telling me that if I place a 10 bet on Manchester United beating Newcastle 3-1 and that Ronaldo scored first I could win 660, very infomative that *nods* tongue.gif
little_bear
Ah, God bless Adblock, so I don't have to abide any annoying AOL Ads.

*pats Adblock*

I wuv you.
Mata
Well, yes, there is that, but I'm trying to earn some money from my site here, so if you could bear to see them on here then I would appreciate it. Frankly I don't even notice what's at the top of the page: I've usually scrolled down before the ad appears.
Sir Psycho Sexy
Well I've just ordered Auditioning my Escape Plan by Dopamine from Amazon and by a work of genius I've managed to help two of my friends!! (Mata and the guy who produced/recorded the album). You should all do it too! I've heard the first track and it's gotten some top quality reviews too! Go on! spoil yourself*!!

*and two of my friends tongue.gif
Mata
Ah, that was you? Thanks smile.gif

I get a list of things that people have bought, it's only five things so far, but it all helps.

The album looks pretty good actually, I was quite tempted but I don't really have the money to experiment with unknown things at the moment.
Usurper MrTeapot
Amazon is great for buying text books from smile.gif
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