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Wyvern
Finally it begins!


Usually you would expect to find this in creations. Mata however suggested it would be more productive to place this thread in daily life, so as you have obviously noticed here it is.

For those of you already aware that this project was in the pipeline, thank you for your support and patience to date. For those of you who haven’t a clue what this is about I invite you to participate in my investigations.

Firstly I believe a little background information may be useful.
You may or may not be aware that I am a practising artist. I work across wide range of media and ideas depending on my particular focus at any one time. Currently that focus is centred almost exclusively upon information and the systems we as a species use to record and display information. More specifically my attention is currently focused on maps and the way we perceive them in all their varied forms. In order to explore maps and the way individuals view them I have chosen to concentrate (for the moment at least) on surfaces and concepts that are not usually recorded or displayed in ‘map’ form. Previous projects have selected subject matter of a predominantly physical nature the texture of skin, human palm prints and the like.

To take the next step forward in my work I want to put my current findings and conclusions to the test using subject matter which is physically less tangible, something that in many ways cannot be viewed as a solid object or a fixed landscape.
For this I have chosen to look at the internet. The term Worldwide Web evokes in its own way a landscape, a complex network with its own boundaries and rules, something with a distinct physical presence of its own. Yet how many maps and atlases attempt to depict the internet as a physical entity?

It has been done, of that I am aware and the images produced are stunning, enough to fill two books that I am aware of at present (as soon as I can track them down again I will post some links). I am not attempting to copy these images in any way, at this point I have no idea what form this project will take other than a distinct feeling that it will evolve into a series rather than a single piece as already the information and ideas I have gathered are far too complex to be effectively demonstrated within one piece. I may find out something new along the way that proves this point wrong but that again is part of the experience.

At this stage I had better clarify out that many points within this statement are fairly broad generalisation on my part and can be argued in many different directions. Many I have presented to you in a highly simplified way because at this point in my explorations this is the best way for them to make sense as in reality they are constantly changing as I develop my ideas and research. Some are just scribbled notes along the margins of very dubious studies and may eventually be discarded entirely.


Which leads me to ‘The Project’
In order to ‘map’ the internet I need a starting point to work from as it is a vast beastie. Even if I could freeze it at this exact point in time it would take many of my lifetimes and more skill than I possess to thoroughly map every section. Instead I have set my sights on something more manageable, still vastly more complicated than I initially thought but easier to approach. However I need the help of as many forumites as are willing to spare me a few moments of their precious time.

This thread is my starting point.
If it goes well I hope to expand beyond this one and explore other avenues but for the moment, for simplicity and sanity’s sake I’m keeping it simple and concentrating on the one.
All I ask is that having read this you respond, in any way you like, to any idea that interests you. Statements, questions, suggestions for points to consider and things to look at anything and everything is brilliant whether it be a post directly in this thread or a PM or an email to myself.

Before you do however please look at the following points, for the success of this project they are crucial!!!
When you make a post, PM etc, I will be recording the following information….


• Time of post
• Date of post
• Member number of posting member
• Members title
• Members Gender (as stated under Av unless otherwise requested)
• Whether it is in response to the first post or to an issue raised within future posts.
• Content of post (mainly for tracking purposes although if I want to use particular quotes I will contact you in person and ask first)
• Nature of contact, whether it is a PM, Email, text etc…


I would like to be able to make note of the following details but I need each member to give permission before I can use these either within their post or in a separate PM.
Although the information cannot be traced back from the work to yourselves I am aware some of you may prefer to keep these details private, in which case I shall respect that privacy and will work around this.
I adore a challenge so please do not consider this a guilt trip, if you wish this information to be undisclosed I completely understand and will abide by your choice.


• Location: Ideally the city or town would be wonderful but I am equally happy with the wider catagories of country, continent or hemisphere.
• Age


You may have noticed I have refrained from posting any images of previous work at this point. That is because apart from a very few of you who have seen it I would like the initial responses to be uninfluenced by my previous work. Once things are underway I will keep you updated of my progress and post images so that you are aware of how things are going and of what my other work is like. At all times I ask you to be as honest and constructive as I know you all are, anything you can give me even if its “nah not impressed because…” will be invaluable.

This project only stops when the thread dies, it may be after 2 posts or 200.
Thank you for your time and involvement.


Now…On with the experiment!
Moosh
When you say that you are 'mapping' the Internet, do you envisage something that looks like a map, or something else, e.g. a 3d network diagram drawn by Escher (sp) after a hard night on the town? Also, you ask for location, which seems to indicate that traditional mapping will play some part in this, but I am pondering how much of the more traditional type of map you will, or indeed how much you will be able, to put into the project. Anyway, good luck, it sounds like a very ambitious plan but I'm sure you can manage it.

P.S. You have my full permission to use my details, and I live in the county town of Stafford
I_am_the_best
I am completely and utterly baffled. I'm not entirely sure how you're going to show the internet in one. Please explain further. Oh yes, and I don't mind you using my details at all. smile.gif
Wyvern
QUOTE
When you say that you are 'mapping' the Internet, do you envisage something that looks like a map, or something else, e.g. a 3d network diagram drawn by Escher (sp) after a hard night on the town? Also, you ask for location, which seems to indicate that traditional mapping will play some part in this, but I am pondering how much of the more traditional type of map you will, or indeed how much you will be able, to put into the project.


At this point I am purely collecting data and assessing the different ways I might display it. Initially it is taking the form of a log, also linear diagrams similar to that of family trees and basic tube train maps are also proving useful to look at. First stage images are mainly going to focs on keeping a clear record of the information in order to work from it and refer back later. Of course I cannot ignore the traditional method of plotting locations upon a geographical image or perhaps producing a 3D representation of the interaction between this thread and the actual RL location of the posting members that is quite an important consideration at this point, even I need a familiar reference point to work from first or with all the information I've gathered in just a few hours my little mind would fry. tongue.gif .
As yet the exact route I will go down is at the developmental, multiple possibilities stage. As my research progresses alongside this thread things should become more clear although at this point I won't even hazard a guess as to what the final image/images will look like. Although I really want to push against all my comfort zones with this one...it is an experiment after all. biggrin.gif

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I am completely and utterly baffled. I'm not entirely sure how you're going to show the internet in one.

To be honest neither am I yet.

Thankyou for the details permission!!!
mooooooooooopo
Would cand posting as moop cause confusion? Or add to your fun?

Neither of us mind having out details used (though this _actually_ is moop posting).

(Ashton-under-Hill, or just somewhere by Evesham...)
Wyvern
QUOTE (moop @ Jul 18 2005, 09:15 PM)
Would cand posting as moop cause confusion? Or add to your fun?

Neither of us mind having out details used (though this _actually_ is moop posting).

(Ashton-under-Hill, or just somewhere by Evesham...)
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Ohh I'm sure that will just add to the fun! biggrin.gif
As long as you still tell me which is which tongue.gif
Cath Sparrow
Teehee yet more complictions to add to your fun! tongue.gif
Phyllis
We'll be sure to tell you which is which (this is cand, just to be sure).

And if the thread is still going when I get home, I'll post from there as well (and give the details then). biggrin.gif And like moop said, I don't mind having my details posted, and am currently in the same place as him.
voices_in_my_head
How cool!

Just wondering, though - what if the thread dies, and then someone bumps it? Would the project start all over again?

(For the sake of my mother's sanity, I'll just say that I'm near Amarillo)
Wyvern
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Just wondering, though - what if the thread dies, and then someone bumps it? Would the project start all over again?


It would indeed, assuming I am still around and paying attention that is tongue.gif
markslut
could you re explain. slowly *brain not working*
Wyvern
I shall try m'dear.
Basic gist this mad little fool is going to attempt to explore mapping and the way people look at maps by mapping this little section of matazone.

Ahh when its put that way I think I must be mad biggrin.gif
Cath Sparrow
All the info's there that you need she's just after replies to log!
markslut
I take it you want my age (22) and where I live (Budleigh Salterton)
Wyvern
Ohh thankyou, another bit for the list. You should see the amount of data already! I may have to adjust my recording technique.
CommieBastard
Well, you mention a possible three-dimensional model given the complexity of the Interweb, but even that might not be enough - so what about a fourth dimension? Creating an animated piece could reflect the hyperfluid nature of the Interweb, and at least in my mind be a more accurate aesthetic portrayal.

(You have full permission to use any information you know about me or find out about me in the future, for any and all artistic purposes)

(I am in fact male; my gender reading "Female" is a joke that makes sense only to me)

(I live in East London, though this is being posted from Broadstairs, Kent)
Wyvern
[QUOTE][quote=CommieBastard,Jul 18 2005, 10:17 PM]
Well, you mention a possible three-dimensional model given the complexity of the Interweb, but even that might not be enough - so what about a fourth dimension? Creating an animated piece could reflect the hyperfluid nature of the Interweb, and at least in my mind be a more accurate aesthetic portrayal.[/QUOTE]

Now that is a thought indeed, particularly as the hardest part at the moment appears to be recording various related things which overlap time wise. It would certainly help in expressing the speed of growth, amoung other things, that a static display might struggle portraying.
Greeneyes
I be 17, and live in Thatcham. Details are ok. I can't really think of much to say aside from the fact that I admire the concept and yourself for doing it. I'm interested to see how it turns out smile.gif.
arachnidoc17
QUOTE (CommieBastard @ Jul 18 2005, 06:17 PM)
Well, you mention a possible three-dimensional model given the complexity of the Interweb, but even that might not be enough - so what about a fourth dimension? Creating an animated piece could reflect the hyperfluid nature of the Interweb, and at least in my mind be a more accurate aesthetic portrayal.
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That might be kind of hard, considering that to human eyes the fourth dimension is inconcievable.

Male, Chicago, Illinois.
Greeneyes
QUOTE (arachnidoc17 @ Jul 18 2005, 10:35 PM)
QUOTE (CommieBastard @ Jul 18 2005, 06:17 PM)
Well, you mention a possible three-dimensional model given the complexity of the Interweb, but even that might not be enough - so what about a fourth dimension? Creating an animated piece could reflect the hyperfluid nature of the Interweb, and at least in my mind be a more accurate aesthetic portrayal.
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That might be kind of hard, considering that to human eyes the fourth dimension is inconcievable.

Male, Chicago, Illinois.
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Erm, a fourth dimension is generally taken to be time. Hence an animated piece.
arachnidoc17
QUOTE (Greeneyes @ Jul 18 2005, 06:39 PM)
Erm, a fourth dimension is generally taken to be time. Hence an animated piece.
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blink.gif Oh, I thought he was implying THE fourth dimension. That's all about hypercubes and stuff. Really complicated.
snooodlysnoosnoosnoodle
You have all my best wishes for this, I can see it being something amazing... being privaledged enough to have seen some of your previous work and knowing your amazing abilty and power of determination I can see it being something truely amazing.

smile.gif

(20 [oww it hurts to say that], same as Ste and Cand I'm in Ashton under Hill, Worcestershire)
mooooooooooopo
QUOTE (arachnidoc17 @ Jul 18 2005, 03:44 PM)
QUOTE (Greeneyes @ Jul 18 2005, 06:39 PM)
Erm, a fourth dimension is generally taken to be time. Hence an animated piece.
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blink.gif Oh, I thought he was implying THE fourth dimension. That's all about hypercubes and stuff. Really complicated.
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That being, I believe, a theoretical concept. Also, a hypercube is just a cube extended to four dimensions, I doubt this fourth dimension is "all about them". I'm pretty sure there's a lot more to four dimensional space than that. As for hypercubes, they're actually pretty simple - the logical extension of going from a dot to a line, from a line to a square and from that square to a cube.

(Though this doesn't stop 4D space being mind breaking to visualise)
Chronotub
sounds like it will be intresting to see the results.
Just one question though, you say it will go on as long as the thread is alive, what if you collect the data and start drwaing or animating or whatever and someone else posts? will you have to start again?
Im 17 and live in redruth, cornwall
EvilSpork
I'm sorry, but that project would make my head hurt tongue.gif

Male.

Marquette, Michigan, USA. (Northern hemisphere... Earth... tongue.gif)

Use me. Well, my information, but I felt like sounding suggestive. I'm done.
eleraama
It sounds fascinating; I eagerly await news of your progress.

Male, 17, Iowa City, Iowa, US, Earth, Milky Way, The Universe. Oh, dimensions 1-4.
Faerieryn
Does this mean you'll be too busy to come see Alice Cooper with me ?(sob!)
Ryn 24, Woking, Surrey (otherwise known as the back end of beyond!)
Wyvern
QUOTE (Faerieryn @ Jul 19 2005, 06:57 AM)
Does this mean you'll be too busy to come see Alice Cooper with me ?(sob!)
Ryn 24, Woking, Surrey (otherwise known as the back end of beyond!)
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Not a chance. I'll be there!

Just popped in to check on things. I think something in my head just broke huh.gif but I'll get back to everyones queries when I surface from this first load of information.

Thankyou everyone for your assistance already and I hope to have some results for you before the week is out. biggrin.gif
Feyliya
Try not to post about sex, try not to post about sex, try not to post about sex, try not to post about sex....

PORN!!!!

>.>
<.<
>.<

Whoopsie...

(BTW, I'm 19 and am living in Seattle, Washington, USA. I'll be 20 in October.)
I_am_the_best
Oh yeah, forgot to say. I'm 13 and live in St Margarets, Surrey.

Perhaps if you make something that moves, you can show time.
Cath Sparrow
QUOTE (Chronotub @ Jul 18 2005, 11:56 PM)
sounds like it will be intresting to see the results.
Just one question though, you say it will go on as long as the thread is alive, what if you collect the data and start drwaing or animating or whatever and someone else posts? will you have to start again?
Im 17 and live in redruth, cornwall
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It's a linea thing at the moment so in theory she shouldn't have to start again just extend from my understanding of it ((cath been hereing about it for a while biggrin.gif )

Hey look Mrs! your on page 2 already! tongue.gif
depressed lonely crazy person
I'm still not sure what you're doing but as I'm into obsesivly collecting data I'll give you permision to use any of mine that you may need.
Ashbless
You can add me into your project as well.

33 (and Snoo complains? tongue.gif ) Kimberley, British Columbia, Canada
Jonman
• Time of post
• Date of post
• Member number of posting member
• Members title
• Members Gender (as stated under Av unless otherwise requested)
• Whether it is in response to the first post or to an issue raised within future posts.
• Content of post (mainly for tracking purposes although if I want to use particular quotes I will contact you in person and ask first)
• Nature of contact, whether it is a PM, Email, text etc…[/color]


Jonman, 28, Leicester, UK.

*takes big twirly bow*
Cath Sparrow
QUOTE (Ashbless @ Jul 19 2005, 04:38 PM)
You can add me into your project as well.

33 (and Snoo complains?  tongue.gif ) Kimberley, British Columbia, Canada
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You replying means your added you dont need to ask to be added and me answering gives her a track to run along with. Wyvern is probably going to hate me by the time she finishes this (me plots other scymes to make more work for her). biggrin.gif
vicrawr
QUOTE (Feyliya @ Jul 19 2005, 03:55 AM)
Try not to post about sex, try not to post about sex, try not to post about sex, try not to post about sex....

PORN!!!!

>.>
<.<
>.<

Whoopsie...

(BTW, I'm 19 and am living in Seattle, Washington, USA.  I'll be 20 in October.)

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That made me giggle. Lessthanthree, Fey.
CommieBastard
QUOTE (I_am_the_best @ Jul 19 2005, 12:42 PM)
Perhaps if you make something that moves, you can show time.
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Yes, this is the non-show-offy version of my prattling on about four dimensions and the aesthetics of hyperfluidity smile.gif
Daria
Go for it!
Daria (becky), 17, female, Suffolk, England.

If a box has four dimensions, can they be negative? Or even a three dimentional cube with negative dimensions-
Would there be a boxed shape hole in the universe? Or would it just be inside out? If the former, would there be such things as dimensions for the latter?
Greeneyes
If you ask me, it's a case of choosing a starting point. Anything left of the point is positive, anything right, negative. Anything later, positive, anything earlier, negative, etc. Just depends where you put your zero.
Calantyr
'ello there. This looks rather fascinating, if rather tricky imagining what the end result could possibly look like.

This is in reply to your first post, but nicking an idea from Commie. I'm especially interested in any random elements you may use when combined with time.

I am currently residing in the borough of Lambeth, London. I think i'm 21 but I may have to check on that. Everything else you need should be mentioned on this post or in my profile. You're free to use whatever info you like.
Little Green Goth
Gah...just reading all the smart people posts is enough to hurt my head. My brain is so rusty from not going to school I might just have to...er...lube it up for when I go back to school. unsure.gif Anyway, good luck in this endever and I hope things work out. You have my permission for whatever. Doesn't matter to me, you could take a picture of my house for all I care. laugh.gif Anyway.... *goes off to hide*ph34r.gif
artist.unknown
Eep. And here's me too lazy to finish off a simple watercolor. o.0

Kudos. AU is 17, rather more on the female end of the spectrum, and currently languishing in Linwood, New Jersey. If it matters, though, I'm typically in Stanhope along with PWM.
Wyvern
QUOTE (Cath @ Jul 19 2005, 11:56 AM)
QUOTE (Chronotub @ Jul 18 2005, 11:56 PM)
sounds like it will be intresting to see the results.
Just one question though, you say it will go on as long as the thread is alive, what if you collect the data and start drwaing or animating or whatever and someone else posts? will you have to start again?
Im 17 and live in redruth, cornwall
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It's a linea thing at the moment so in theory she shouldn't have to start again just extend from my understanding of it ((cath been hereing about it for a while biggrin.gif )

Hey look Mrs! your on page 2 already! tongue.gif
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As Cath has kindly pointed out, the actual data collection side of things is a purely linear process. Basically each time I come on line I catalogue any and all activities with with any relation to this thread. Email alerts, PM's. Posts etc...
That aspect of it is fairly straight forward and relatively dull being repetative, the only thing livening it up is of course the actual post content which by the way is fantastic!

When it comes to actually moulding the data into something more aesthetically pleasing in nature the process could get tricky. Certainly a few of the concepts I am playing with are also fairly systematic in their approach and appearance all I have to do is convert the information into relevant visuals and insert them at the appropriate points.

Although these particular visuals are quite intriguing in their own right they are still very rigid in their intepretation of 'mapping' and I want to push them even further. This doesn't mean I won't have a go at producing them full scale as opposed to initial drafts but I think its important to push beyond the box or that tricky little hypercube which keeps waving at me around here.

(I cant as yet post any of the current projects visuals as my scanner has gone belly up again)
Once I get to that stage I am going to have to seriously consider looking at snapshots within the data to break everything into a more manageable package. Already the overlapping between different areas is proving an interesting tangle to get my head round trying to visualise it causes some spectacular headaches.
Wyvern
Bearing in mind that these images are a couple of years old now I thought I should post these.
The main source material for the images comes from human palm prints mainly my own but also those of friends who didn't mind me inking, printing, scanning and generally manhandling their hands.
Unlike the current venture the source material was reasonably stationary and had distinctly fewer variables to take into account. Overall I was fairly pleased with the end results at the time but I intend to take it much further this time. I am certainly warming to the idea of incorporating movement and a sense of time passing.

Anyway I thought it might help show what I am attempting and were I am coming from with it.

Excuse some of the image quality.

Password is Wyvern and strangely enough you want the album: Mapping tongue.gif
Feyliya
Very awesome piccies! I have absolutely no clue how they can be maps, but damn they're pretty! I could see those in art shows.

::lessthanthrees teh Vic back::
mooooooooooopo
And now, just to complicate things, you have a Candice posting as a moop.

>:D

(And oho...were those cone ones the same ones you showed us in person?)
Wyvern
QUOTE (moop @ Jul 20 2005, 10:16 PM)
And now, just to complicate things, you have a Candice posting as a moop. 

>:D

(And oho...were those cone ones the same ones you showed us in person?)
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Gah, there's always one...or several tongue.gif
Aye they are the very same although I for one am much more sober. They were sample testers really for the big blobby pieces, but I liked them all the same.
MackSals
This project sounds very interesting. I can't really say I understand the pictures but they do look... umm something.
Still need data?
spiffilicious05
Wow, that seems like a lot of work. Have fun, and I know I haven't been around lately but feel free to use my details whenever you'd like.

Good luck!! smile.gif
Wyvern
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Still need data?


At the moment that ones on a par with asking if oxygen is important to my continued on this little rock we call home. tongue.gif
If you have data to spare I'll take it gladly. biggrin.gif

I'm starting the process of producing visual data records for this now, hopefully in the next few weeks it will start to develop into something less like a list of information and more interesting, (not that the information isn't interesting, just a little too uniform in appearance for what I want). As soon as I have something worth allowing out of my sketch pad I will post it.

Until then, if anyone has any thoughts or suggestions by all means throw them at me.
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