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elphaba2
Juice is a tricky devil. I tallied up calories one day, and without my giant daily cranberry-orange happy mixer drink it was about 900. With? 1400. Yep.

Verdict? Juice is delicious but dangerous.
Daria
Proper not-from-concentrate juice is marvellously good for you, though. DRINK MORE OF IT.

Also, remember that you should be still having a balanced diet even if you are eating less (yes, carbs and proteins and veggies and fruits and sugars and a leetle fats) and drink PLENTY of water. But not too much, or you'll die.
Mata
QUOTE (I_am_the_best @ Sep 8 2008, 09:12 PM) *
NO ONE TOLD ME IT WAS 100 CALORIES PER 250 ML. 400 calories in one drink, bollocks.

Is that in the concentrated form, or the diluted form? Either way, try not to stress too much about these things, especially calories.

As Daria says, it's more important to make sure that you've got a balanced diet than making a number of calories balance out every day. You could probably eat your recommended calorie intake in popcorn every day if you chose, but your body would really get angry with you pretty quickly. Even my least healthy period of eating (the previously mentioned 'Special K and Guinness' diet) had a fairly balanced selection of vitamins and minerals in it.

In something like Ribena, most of the calories are going to come from simple sugars. They're good for quickly topping up your blood sugar levels, but they are quickly burnt off so you won't get a very sustained benfit to your energy levels. Something like a banana has simple and complex sugars in it, meaning that your blood sugar levels (and your energy) will be maintained for a longer period of time. It's a similar thing with white bread versus wholemeal - they have nearly identical calorie values, but the latter is less processed so takes longer to digest, spreading out the benefit for you.

If I'm not going to get the chance to eat much I try to get a flapjack (or similar oat biscuit bar thingy). They can be pretty calorific, but the simple sugars give you a quick boost and the grains take ages to digest, helping fight off hunger for hours afterwards.

So far this week I've hardly done any exercise because I've been ill. Bleh. I sometimes exercise more when I'm ill, working on the theory that it will boost my general metabolic rate and immune system, hopefully allowing me to get well sooner. I have no idea if that's codswallop, but the idea seems vaguely reasonable.
Mata
I mentioned the Special K and Guinness diet while out on Saturday night and one of the women at the table looked astonished: 'Woah! That's some nasty stuff!'

'Err... It's not that bad...' Then I realise what she's talking about. 'No, really Special K, not ketamine!' biggrin.gif

I'm pretty chuffed at the moment. I've lost about 4lbs over the last month, but more importantly my goal was to tone up and I look in significantly better shape. I've only really been exercising on the Wii Fit, so it's purely down to that. The mix of light aerobic, muscle training, and yoga all in one session is really paying off. I've never really done a balanced combination of them all before but it seems to be working. There's even slight hints of distinct abs - although that's going to take a little while yet. Woohoo!

How're you all getting on?
Yannick
QUOTE (Mata @ Sep 22 2008, 08:24 AM) *
How're you all getting on?

Haha, no comment. Ab wise anyway.

But I can do quite a bit more pull-ups and way more push-ups than I could a monthish ago.
vicrawr
Coach has made us break out the fit balls in class. I hate those things. It's hard enough doing crunches or reverse crunches or push-ups, but now we've got to balance on these huge blue balls. And let me tell you, some of the positions he asks us to get in are awkward to the max.
Daria
I have calf muscles that are even firmer than my arse. That's about all.
Yannick
Oh, scored 4 of our 5 goals during P.E. today. Score : 5:1, and that's only because our goalkeeper was a total idiot and scored on herself.
Sir Psycho Sexy
QUOTE (Yannick @ Sep 23 2008, 12:43 AM) *
our goalkeeper was a total idiot and scored on herself.


Hahaha, I did that once, and thus my illustrious career as a goalie ended. laugh.gif
Mata
Good going on the scoring! I never really enjoyed that sort of thing, although I have enjoyed Ultimate Frisbee this year on the half-dozen occasions when the weather's been good enough to play.

Tonight I'm going to my first fencing class! Woo swords! *ching ching*
I_am_the_best
Yesssss, 1 1/2 hours on the cross-trainer at the gym today (it's compulsory for school), and have only eaten a mug of Special K, a nectarine and a can of diet coke. But it always gets more difficult to restrain yourself n the evening. You don't have as much to do on school nights so end up munching through boredom, or having nothing to take your mind of hunger. Grrr.
elphaba2
Go to university! It will make you have to read five billion pages and also wash dishes and feed a fish and write french essays and you simply will no longer have time to eat.

Waist is still littler, but I suspect the belly has snuck on an extra pound when I wasn't looking. Maybe when I have done the five billion things I have to do I will go do cardio!

Mata, fencing sounds rad! I am investigating fencing and capoeira (unrelated, but hella cool nonetheless) in my city and will report back if either of those end up occurring. biggrin.gif
Yannick
I've eaten completely healthy today! And trying to not ruin it. I want to see if I can be vegan for a week, because I had this totally delicious cookie, and read the label thing. Plus lots of meat leads to stomach cancer?

No exercise today. Too much school work.

Dude I've always wanted to try fencing. Or any sword play. It just looks like so much fun.
Mata
Well, it was a slow start to the fencing, but the first class was massively over subscribed and they're splitting us up into three groups from now on so things should go a little faster. On a weird sidenote, I seem to have picked up a student to teach a little Wing Chun to. I'll probably only give a couple of lessons, but that should be fun!

IATB - Make sure, if you're planning to lose weight, that you do it healthily. Your internal organs need a balance of nutrients to keep them going. Try having a small salad in a wholemeal roll. It's got loads of useful stuff in it and the whole grain of the bread takes longer to digest than more processed foods, so it keep you feeling full for longer. Tuna is also great for that for very similar reasons. Last week I had fish with noodles or rice in some variation every day and it was not only delicious but very healthy too. Yum!

I sometimes wonder if I think too much about this kind of stuff. I'm trying to mention it less with people I see daily, so being able to talk about it here is a good outlet.
Yannick
And you should drink water instead of diet coke. Diet or not, it still isn't really healthy. I remember once we put this piece of meat in some soda, let it sit like that in the 'fridge for week, and it looked /really gross/ afterwards.

I procrastinated my school work and went for a walk. Eli and I walked to the park, watched some people play tennis, and then hung out at this mini gym with a pull-up and other strange bar type things. He realized he had to go home, but I ended up taking the long way, a good hour and a half walk. Then I went to the playground in our neighborhood and was on the swing for half an hour. THE WEATHER IS AWWWWWEEEESSSOOOMMMMEEE!!!!!!

Food today:
Breakfast: Banana/water
Snack: Apple
Lunch: Green beans, grapes, some non-salted pretzels
Dinner: A veggie burger (surprisingly yummy) on some bread and avocado with salt and pepper on the side.
Desert: The last brownie (small) and 1 Hanuta.

Feeling healthy. smile.gif
Eli
Whats a Hanuta?
Yannick
That thing you ate. Chocolate with like.. a waffle-like outside.
Mata
QUOTE (Yannick @ Sep 24 2008, 12:16 AM) *
And you should drink water instead of diet coke. Diet or not, it still isn't really healthy. I remember once we put this piece of meat in some soda, let it sit like that in the 'fridge for week, and it looked /really gross/ afterwards.

In fairness, if you left meat in pretty much anything for a week it would look really gross. biggrin.gif

I remember the classic 'put a tooth in cola overnight' thing that they did when I was at school. That stuff really is corrosive! Apparently it's very good for cleaning engine parts, so I'm told.
Yannick
QUOTE (Mata @ Sep 24 2008, 08:25 AM) *
Apparently it's very good for cleaning engine parts, so I'm told.

..Sick. I remember the "If cool-aid stains your outsides, imaging what it does it your insides. Water cleans your outsides, drink water to clean your insides" talk in like 1st grade.
TigerLily013
When I started to really get into exercising as much as possible April of last year, I would take my dog for a speedy walk in a giant square around the areas I can walk to from my house. That would take about 15 minutes. Then I'd walk as much as possible after dropping the dog off at home which usually was 30 minutes to an hour. On top of this first waking up I did half hour of rowing on my rowing machine 2 times a day so that's another hour. I did this until around September of 2007 after i figured it's too much to do while employed somewhere, that and my body was catching up with me in weight loss. Mom and I figured I lost 35 pounds. I lost enough 5 pounds during the times I used to go swimming once a week and doing pushup's in the hottub there.

This year has mostly been walking since the snow digressed. I continued to go swimming until School got out for the kids and that meant all the adult swims at the pool were done until school started up again.

I saw a diabetic specialist recently and his advice was I need to increase my exercise to get over my plateau I reached and be able to lose a pound a week and see him again in March of 2009 to check in. So after meals when I'm not working I do something active like go on my rowing machine or go on a power walk a few laps constant to get my metabolism up, and I'm been speed walking more in my evening walks, which generally last 45 minutes to an hour or more depending on how I'm feeling. Also vegetables are my friend since they have no carbs and no calories so I wanna eat those closer to the evening when my blood sugar needs to be going down then too. I had tons of veggies yesterday for lunch and man they make me gassy LOL.

Anyway yeah you get the point. I hope to sometime get a wii like I got my best friend and keep working on stuff like wii boxing and get a wii-fit too. I think it would give me more of a push to do more.
elphaba2
Vegetables have both carbs and calories, I'm afraid. That doesn't make them unhealthy though! They are very low calorie compared to most foods (a cup of carrots only has 52 calories, for example) and often contain complex sugars and fiber, which makes them stay in your body longer than, say, a piece of white bread. They also tend to have more protein then you'd expect--a cup of string beans, for example, has got 2 grams of protein per 8 grams of carbs, which isn't a bad ratio at all considering they're not typically eaten for protein. Eat veggies! They are great! Just don't think you're not getting energy from them because you are and it's awesome.
I_am_the_best
QUOTE (Mata @ Sep 23 2008, 11:44 PM) *
Well, it was a slow start to the fencing, but the first class was massively over subscribed and they're splitting us up into three groups from now on so things should go a little faster. On a weird sidenote, I seem to have picked up a student to teach a little Wing Chun to. I'll probably only give a couple of lessons, but that should be fun!

IATB - Make sure, if you're planning to lose weight, that you do it healthily. Your internal organs need a balance of nutrients to keep them going. Try having a small salad in a wholemeal roll. It's got loads of useful stuff in it and the whole grain of the bread takes longer to digest than more processed foods, so it keep you feeling full for longer. Tuna is also great for that for very similar reasons. Last week I had fish with noodles or rice in some variation every day and it was not only delicious but very healthy too. Yum!


It's all healthy! I'm taking vitamin pills. Also, the amount I ate last night in the evening makes up for any unhealthiness there. Doing manual labour on Hamstead Heath tomorrow, exercise without the intention of doing exercise, yay!

Fencing sounds fantastic, all old fashioned and sword-fighting-y.
Daria
Vitamin pills are never a good substitute! Bad IATB! tongue.gif

I have a feeling that I should be drinking less alcohol and am actually considering cutting it out entirely for a bit. This never worked before, and considering that it is freshers week then I may be mad. But here goes!
Mata
Pills are better than nothing, but small balanced meals are the best apparently. These days I've got into having cereal for breakfast then two mini-lunches of a sandwich (as well as fruit if I feel hungry) during the day and that seems to work okay.

Ah, alcohol, the old nemesis! I've cut down a bit recently but I do have the occasional heavy night - it's bad, but I've got to have some fun! Like I say, I think I might be a bit too interested in keeping healthy at the moment, so I need to balance my 'stay fit' thoughts with more 'woohoo party' ones. There's a sweet spot in there somewhere.
TigerLily013
QUOTE (elphaba2 @ Sep 24 2008, 03:07 PM) *
Vegetables have both carbs and calories, I'm afraid. That doesn't make them unhealthy though! They are very low calorie compared to most foods (a cup of carrots only has 52 calories, for example) and often contain complex sugars and fiber, which makes them stay in your body longer than, say, a piece of white bread. They also tend to have more protein then you'd expect--a cup of string beans, for example, has got 2 grams of protein per 8 grams of carbs, which isn't a bad ratio at all considering they're not typically eaten for protein. Eat veggies! They are great! Just don't think you're not getting energy from them because you are and it's awesome.


Really? I was told different about having no carbs or calories by two diabetic nurses, my doctor I reconnected with after many years, and the diabetic specialist I saw earlier this month o_O;;;

I was also told having them with a meal also can help in keeping the blood sugar from going up too much which I seem to notice when I have a bunch of them with a sandwich or something as a side dish.

They all recommended I still have things with carbs in it with the meals (like 3 servings of carbs in a meal would be like 3 cut up apples or one sandwich and an apple for example) and then have the veggies when wanting to snack or have a meal that goes a bit over my carb intake for that meal.
Yannick
So mom's starting to take this exercise stuff seriously, so she quit her Gold's Gym membership and now we have a Family Membership for the Y. (Which, tbh, we had in the first place until she decided to join Gold's Gym).

So I'm taking a Boot Camp class tomorrow. Should be fun, hopefully not too rough.
Mata
I've had varying success with gyms. They're good for a fitness blast over a few months, but after a while I always found it hard to keep up the motivation. If you want to get fitter, fast, then they're great, but I'm not sure about the long-term maintenance side of things. There was so much time spent getting prepared, travelling, showering afterwards, etc. that it soon seemed like it was eating hours from my day. I used to use one at work because it was right next door and incredibly convenient, but unless I get something so easy again I'll probably stick with my home or sports. Like I say though, if you want to improve your fitness level fast I think they're brilliant.

I've been a bit slack for most of this week but in the past 24 hours I've done an hour and a half of fencing training (which is turning into lots of fun) and about 40 minutes of the Wii Fit so I'm feeling a lot better about myself. I also got a really good night's sleep last night and haven't drunk much this week since getting very drunk with the forumites last weekend! I've cut my hair this morning, and generally I feel great smile.gif

One thing I've started doing over the last couple of weeks is running to the bus stop. In the morning this usually means a couple of minutes jogging through town, and after work I usually jog for four or five minutes to the bus stop. It's not a lot, but it feels good to get a little blast of exercise and get the blood pumping early in the day.
I_am_the_best
^ Days like that are fantastic. I feel very happy for you! As for running for the bus, this morning I had to catch the 6.20am (still dark!) bus, and phew, I have never run like that before. It did however give me a rattling cough for the entire tube journey which followed.
snooodlysnoosnoosnoodle
My main issue with getting a Wii Fit is that it would involve me buying a TV and ergo a TV license, even though I rarely watch TV so wouldn't have one otherwise.
Yannick
It's like half a mile from my house to the bus stop, and I always end up having to run down this long street (about 1/4 a mile maybe) because otherwise I'll miss the bus and have to ride with little kids.

Boot Camp was fun! It wasn't what I excepted it to be (obstacles, tires, all the TV stuff), but still awesome. The first 15 minutes after stretching were hell (lots of ab stuff, and then sets of 25 push-ups), but nothing *too* hard after that. Except the jump roping, which I suck at. I was by far the youngest in the class, and we had to get into teams for sprints, and I was with 9 insanely fit 20+ year olds. 4th place, then 6th, then last, then 3rd. biggrin.gif (Sprints 6 times back and forth the basketball court).

So, tired. Going to yoga later, and kick boxing tomorrow!

*YMCA FTW*
Mata
Yoga and kick boxing? Whee! That sounds like my idea of fun biggrin.gif

IATB: I didn't realise you are a Londoner. I guess your parents might get in a strop if you said 'I'm off to see a load of strangers from the internet!', but I hope we'll get to meet you sometime.

Snoo: I'd be stuck without a TV - I don't care about the programs, but the lack of computer games would be a serious issue!
Yannick
Kick boxing is awesome! Completely love it! The instructor was really cool. She's meant to teach it on Tuesdays, but subbed today. She does Boot Camp on Sundays too. Oh, and the Boot Camp guy from Saturday actually recognized me and waved to me through the window. biggrin.gif

Yoga was alright. The woman doing it was really nice, but not the greatest. I'll probably take the class again because it's at a convenient time and woo to stretching and breathing and stuff, but I might just cut it out eventually.

Oh! And I picked up a schedule and highlighted all the classes I'm going to/want to take. My mom's being really bitchy about not wanting to wake up at 6:00 and drive my places, so this is what I think schedule will be:
Tuesday: Kickboxing at 6:30 PM.
Thursday: Yoga (5:30 PM), but not with the person who does it Sundays. If the instructor ends up sucking, I'll just skip it while my mom does it and go to the gym, swimming, or teen center (which is awesome btw).
Friday: Indoor Cycling at 6:00 PM. Sort of being dragged to this, but who knows, it might be fun.

Okay, this is where it really gets interesting.
Saturday: Trying to get my mom to let me do Tai Chi at 7:00 AM.
Indoor Cycling at 8:00 AM (With the guy who does Boot Camp!)
Boot Camp at 9:15 AM.

Sunday: (If that Saturday thing fails) Tai Chi at 9:00 AM while my mom does cycling at 9:30.
Yoga at 10:30.
Boot Camp with the kickboxing instructor at 12.
And then kick boxing at 2:30.


I don't think I'm allowed to say I'm bored anymore. Yay fitness. biggrin.gif

OOH. ALSO. 4 PACK. Sort of. It's that or fat forming in weird places. Yay?
Mata
Oo, Tai Chi is really nice. And massively destructive to anyone in your way if you learn how to use it in the martial ways (although that does take ten years or-so). I've studied it for around 3 years, split between a couple of teachers over a decade. I've never quite got into it fully, but I do really like the form.

It certainly sounds like you're keeping yourself busy!

4 pack? Nice one! I think there might be hints at muscle separation on my stomach too, but it's not clear enough for me to get really excited about it yet... Hopefully in a month or two though. biggrin.gif
Tarantio
Speaking as someone who's been working in the games retail industry for the last few years, my thoughts on the subject are thus:

The Wii Fit workout consists of walking through town 30-40 times to actually find one, whereupon you lose seventy pounds instantly.

Ba dum tish!

...but seriously, I've known folk to get little to nothing out of the fitness stuff, and I've known others who say they get a better workout from that than they do from playing football or even going to the gym. I think Mata hit the nail on the head when he said you get out what you put in.
DarkInferno
I seriously need to do somthing about my fitness....

I'm much less bothered about weight though...

aged 17-22, I was a steady 17 stone. I'm 6'2

QUOTE
You are seriously overweight for your height
Your BMI is 30.5

If your BMI is between 30 and 39.9 you're obese. This means you're well over the ideal weight for your height. This could cause serious health problems and affect your life expectancy.

Are you eating more than the recommended amount of calories per day? Are you getting enough exercise? Once you gain the confidence to start exercising regularly you'll notice a huge difference.


I was also doing 200 push ups and crunches per night and could quite happily tipped an american pool table onto its side, done a 7 mile jog or kicked ~8ft high.

I also had a 8 pack at the time...
Now........ I weigh almost exactly the same.... but have a party sized keg. =o/, still do a physical job but don't train. I'd say I'm currently unfit, and carrying far more fat then I was, and definatly more then I should be. (Still not obese by a fair wedge, IMHO)

So to me weight seems a bit of an empty measurement.
Mata
For people with an average build, weight (and the BMI) is a reasonable point of reference. There are some people that it will be completely irrelevant for, such as heavily muscled people like rugby players or sumo wrestlers. It's up to individuals to decide if it's going to be a good reference point for them and their fitness goals.
elphaba2
*heaves up dead thread from grave, brushes off dirt&worms, gives a toenail clipping, shocks with defibrillator*

I don't know how anybody else is doing in this whole healthiness business, but wanted to be excited about capoeira! There's a studio near me that I've signed up with and it's for sure the best workout I've had in ages. Classes start with some stretching/yoga/push-up-type-things and then proceed to be two hours of crazy-intense martial arts instruction-stuff. I have become startlingly littler (6 lbs gone, I think, and about three inches smaller on everything. Also, my instructor's broken English told me to eat 1.5 times my weight in protein. I don't know if he meant per day (which I think is thoroughly impossible) or what, but have been eating lots of light tuna and beans and so on.

Yay fitness!
Yannick
I kinda got bored of working out and stuff. Do 100 push-ups a day and swim sometimes, but that's about it.
Mata
I'd love to learn Capoeira one day, but I suspect that's one I'm just not going to get around to. It looks a lot of fun, and I'm sure it gives a brilliant workout (there's also the advantage that other martial arts don't usually teach defensive moves to hand-spring-thigh-around-neck-grab).

I've lost about half a stone since I got the Wii Fit. I've not been using it much lately, but it definitely helped me get into a pattern of smaller, more frequent bits of exercise. That's the kind of change that can really pay off in the long term, so I'd say it's been a big benefit to me.
Smiler
We got one over the weekend (Ryn was naughty). Great fun so far but not sure how long the novelty of the competition will last. It can be a fun though.
leopold
So, amazingly, I was shopping in my local supermarket and I was looking in the electrical section for another Guitar Hero (my eldest's best friend was after one, so I said I'd have a look for her) and they didn't have any. But they did have a Wii Fit in for a whisker under 70. As cheap as I've seen it and actually in stock!!

It's been used quite a lot as a group activity, but changing players is a pain in the arse. It's also advised me I've lost weight this week, which is good news. And some of the activities are quite good fun, such as the slalom and hula. So I like it. I don't like that it turned my Mii into a fat bastard, though.

My eldest absolutely rocks at the hula hoops, she's racked up 315 and I can't see any conceivable way of that ever being beaten.
Mata
The slow changing of players is completely bizarre isn't it? How did Nintendo overlook that one? We noticed it on the first night we had it, and it almost does its best to discourage social play. A very weird design choice if ever I've seen one, but I suppose it does at least mean they've got a hook to sell the sequel with (if they ever stop having too much fun bathing in powdered ivory and drying themselves with 100 notes before burning them all).
leopold
I know! Mind, I've noticed a lot of games are like this, they require a complete exit and restart to change player profiles, which is very annoying, but in most cases you're playing on your own and it's not a problem. At least Wii Fit doesn't need to go that far. But given the Wii is more fun with a social element and most of their games tend to be able to allow changes players on the fly, it seems a bit odd that changing players is such a pain.
Mata
I'll be interested to hear how you get along with it once the novelty has passed. I think it's helped kick me into a more regular exercise habit and interoduced a few new stretches into my routines, so while I might only go on the Wii Fit once a month now, I do a little exercise a lot more regularly. For example, at work, I do press ups on the box around the cistern when I pop to the loo! They're only at about a 45 degree angle, but a quick burst of 40 of them a few times a day doesn't go amiss!
leopold
I've already started walking a little more often. Although given my normally sedentary lifestyle I could hardly have walked any less! That said, I've been planning on doing more walking, but I do feel a bit more spurred on.

The main things I plan to use it for are the yoga moves. I could do with a little more suppleness. It'll be interesting to see if I can go from there to Barbara Currie. Oh, wait, I've done it now. Oop, there goes what remains of my masculinity. Bye, fella! *waves*

And I'll probably make space for the cross-trainer in the garage as well, so that I can actually use the thing.
Faerieryn
I like the hula hooping!! So much fun!
Smiler
QUOTE (Mata @ Feb 9 2009, 09:37 PM) *
The slow changing of players is completely bizarre isn't it? How did Nintendo overlook that one? We noticed it on the first night we had it, and it almost does its best to discourage social play.

I think that's it's biggest flaw, you have the competition element in the leaderboards but you have to come all the way out of a profile and back into another to go after each other... bizarre... apart from that it's quite fun
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