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LoLo
Basically I've been getting some requests lately to add some members to the family album, who are basically only wanting to contribute the answers to the questionaire I created for it.

I consider this album to be your (the posters) album, and therefore will do what you want to it. All I do is host the site and write the code.

So what do you think? If someone doesn't have a picture and/or an audio file should they be added?
LoLo
in the question that should be allowed not aloud, or even just should they be added?.........sorry this is just me being nitpicky over me.

[edit - I changed it for ya lo, I'd hate to think of ya cringin every time ya saw that!! laugh.gif - leo]
LoLo
Ok so the reason I posted this topic, is I want a discussion about it. lol. It's dead on the boards right now so I don't really expect people to be posting here.

These are my own personal issues and why I made this poll:

1.) we have two members with a no picture available picture in the album. they were put in because they have audio files, however I'm contemplating getting rid of one of them, because he has no info, and he has never posted, just signed up for the boards.

2.) i also have someone in the album with a drawing of themselves. I believe i did this because she couldn't get a picture of herself to put up and the drawing is the best she can do.

3.) if i added these people why shouldn't i add others?

4.) if i start adding people who don't have pictures and don't have audio files, then basically I'm using up webpage space to have a questionaire filled out.

5.) as i mentioned before this isn't really my album it's the forum members, I just do the work on it, so how can I just make the decision to exclude people on my own?

See the conflict I have going with myself here? I want to keep the family album under good quality control, but I don't want to exclude anyone, or play favorites for anyone. I personally think the members who don't have pictures, but have audio files have everyright to be in the album, because it came in the merging of the picture and the audio album, also at least it's something to be contributed.

So yeah, people help me out.

side note: i nulled my vote
CrissiLove
note: I haven't looked at the album again to see who doesn't have any of this and I have no idea who has asked to be put in there without pic/voice....

I said no.... just because if they don't have either a picture or voice, then they are just in there to have filled out a small questionaire.... that's webspace space and more work for LoLo... And I think that the reason everyone loves having the album so much is to see all of the pictures and hear our voices... even though the questionaire is really cool to have on there too.... so you can read some about the person you are looking at.
Sun Tsu
The main reason the family album was started was so we could all see each other so I think just having the questionnare is a waste of space. Even if you had a stupid picture it does'nt matter because everyone thinks they look bad in a picture.

So yeah, i don't think non pictured or audio filed members should be in the album.
MoonlightSavingsTime
I haven't put my vote up yet in the poll, but so far I think I'm on the "no" side of the vote. It does seem like a waste of time and space just to put a questionnaire up on the family album. If all they want to do is fill out a questionnaire, then they can just as easily write that information on their profile on the boards, or even start a new topic and have everyone post their personal information there.

I think that as long as a person has at least one picture OR at least one audio file, they should be included -- like what Lolo said, the family album was a merging of the audio and photo albums, so people who have both OR either one should be included. I personally am equally interested in seeing what people look like and hearing what they sound like. I agree that the person who has never posted should be deleted though. That's just taking up space. Maybe there should be some sort of standard that you have to be a member of Matazone for at least a day or a week or whatever, and have 10 or more posts, or 100 or more posts, before you can be added to the family album? Just a thought. Or that you can have your picture and info deleted from the family album if you haven't posted for a long period of time (say, two months or so) and gave no notice about your absence.

I don't know about the person who could only submit a drawing though. Some people who actually have available pictures but are too self-conscious about them might look at that drawing and take it as an excuse to submit drawings of themselves rather than face their self-consciousness about how they really look in pictures. If that made sense. And drawings can be inaccurate. Absolutely nothing personal against the person who submitted only a drawing (she's cool!), but a bitmap drawing doesn't really reveal much about how a person looks in real life. It just seems kind of pointless to me. Unless we want to expand the family album into a members' personal artwork site as well, it just doesn't seem to add much. Sowwie. huh.gif sad.gif

Having said all that, I think I'll just officially vote no.
leopold
I'd say not.

I know I'm a fine one to talk, since I dun have any audio files... but I think if someone has neither then they shouldn't have an entry. Since this is about people wantin to "reveal" themselves, they should play ball if they wanna be on there.

I think the minimum requirement is a photo. Oh, an I think people should choose an av as well... I mean, it's not hard to pick an av, really... I think a drawin is a bit of a cop-out as well, cos otherwise people will jus send in summat nailed together in PShop or whatever, an say "well they can do it, why not me?"

I will do an audio thing one day, lo... I have a device doodad I can use, but I'm so rubbish at recordin me own voice, I hate the way I sound...
LoLo
Thanks for changing that leo!.....and thanks for comments.....people who've voted yes I would love to hear your reasoning why. I'm open to both opinions, and just voting yes does get you heard, but may not get you truly heard.
TigerLily013
I picked yes because well sometimes there will be people who do now have a scanner to show ya a pic or a digi sam to use, and sometheres there will be people who do not have a mic or any means of recording their voice. And even sometimes there will be people who do not feel all 100% about showing a pic or giving off a recording. I don't like being singled out like I used to back in school. I think everyone deserves a chance. You get to know a person by talking to them as well as pictures and hearing the tone of their voice.

That's my 2 cents.
Phyllis
i think you either should have a photo or an audio file, at least. you don't necessarily have to have both..but i mean come on...if you wanna fill out a survey, just answer one of the many ones that are on the forums.
LoLo
bump
Pikasyuu
The family album is a webpage that portrays the Matazone family and the sort of people that venture here. Though it's mainly for us to see what one another look like and sound like without having to visit that person, it's also going to be viewed by the guests. That weighs very little, however.. Some people on the forum may feel left out if they're not on the album and want to send a questionare. But if you want in that badly, you ought to find a friend with a scanner or a mic, or even send it to someone you trust on here. As for being ashamed of looks, I don't think anyone really has to worry about that. Lots of people on here have called themselves ugly when in fact, they're really rather handsome ( Cheez! ). Also, if you are insecure about how you look, remember this. We don't judge people. I'm very thankful I wasn't judged, and it was pretty heartwarming as well. Another thing is that nobody has control over how they look generally. Weight and such can be changed, but otherwise, it's out of your hands. So no need to be ashamed. So all in all, my answer is yes, you should be allowed, but you should also do your best to contribute something as the rest of us have mustered the courage to do ( wasn't easy for me, really. ).

=P Happy posting.
LoLo
(I just want to hear more opinions on this)
LoLo
I hope by the end of the day to have made the decision on this. I would like to hear more discussion on it but I think that I probably won't.
cheese is funny
they shouldnt get in for the reasons stated above, its there so we can see/hear people. if they cant take the time to get a pic or sound file, its just a waste of bandwith.... i would like to see some new faces in there as ive made a few new friends here....
Prince Aries
I agree with you guys. See I knew it was called the Family ALBUM. I usually was under the impression that meant you know like......stuff was included in there? Personally I would like to see having a pic or audio file as a requirement because that not only fulfills the purpose of the album, but it makes things more interesting. The small questionnaire is pretty much information that will come about in a newcomer's first few posts (unless you're like me and just dive right in, nose first feet up into the randomness biggrin.gif) Blah blah blah, quiet Aries. Anyway, to summarize, yes I think it should be required to have a pic or audio up. And besides...you Matazone people are just so darned CUTE!! cool.gif
LoLo
I'm going to cut the decision off here.....after an intensive talk with Debaser about it in chat some new views were brought to mind, and well some of my own have been swimming around as well so here's whats going to happen with the family album:

If you don't have a picture or audio file, I'm not going to add you to the album.

Members in there have gone through a lot of trouble to get in by getting their picture scanned, or having one taken, or buying a mic just so they could get an audio file in there. I don't want to make their efforts wasted, because some people don't want to take the effort to get a picture or audio file in there.

As Missy said to me....the family album is about media, not about quesionaires. Picture or audio only way to get in.

Now for my own point. For many years I wasn't included in the updates of my own personal family album, because I wouldn't let people take pictures of me, and if they got one I was hiding behind someone/something and they really didn't get a picture. So there I was excluded from the albums because of my choice to not have my picture taken. This however didn't make me any less of a family member.

That said you are no less of a family member on this board if you don't have a picture or audio file to contribute. The album is for viewing/hearing pleasure. If you feel that you really just want to answer the questionaire and not contribute anything else....please do so, but start a new thread for it.

I personally spend a lot of time on this album. I don't want the quality to go down and making it less fun for others, and if I were a person looking at it, when I didn't make it, I personally would be flustered to take the time to click the link to a members page and not find a picture or audio file.

That is all thanks.
LoLo
As a side note.....thank you all for your opinions they are all much appreciated and well put.
WeeJ
I voted yes as I find the quesions about the members quite interesting.
I think maybe when members join the family album and don't contribute to the forum...then the question of whether they should be deleted from the album could be asked.
LoLo
QUOTE (WeeJ @ Jul 13 2003, 10:01 AM)
I voted yes as I find the quesions about the members quite interesting.
I think maybe when members join the family album and don't contribute to the forum...then the question of whether they should be deleted from the album could be asked.

That's actually the next topic up for discussion. lol

I was thinking about it when I combined the two together, this and moonlight's and now your comments have made me think about it more.
WeeJ
Glad I could be of some service laugh.gif

the question is...how long should a member not contribute before he/she is deleted from the album?
LoLo
QUOTE (WeeJ @ Jul 13 2003, 10:06 AM)
Glad I could be of some service laugh.gif

the question is...how long should a member not contribute before he/she is deleted from the album?

theres that and some members have gone but made a HUGE impact on posters.....should they be deleted because of their absence?
Phyllis
well....hrm. that's a tough one. i myself will probably take a few absences due to school, and i'd be heartbroken to find i'd been deleted from the family album when i came back.

i think...if someone hasn't posted for about 6 months, then someone should be elected to e-mail them and ask them if they plan to post again, if there is a reason for their absence, etc. if they provide a reason, then sure leave them up there (this doesn't necessarily have to be lo who emails them, she has quite a bit to do w/ the family album keeping her busy already). but if they just don't feel like posting or if they say they aren't coming back, then i think they should be deleted. they should also be given a set amount of time to respond to the email, like a month...and i think more than one email should be sent....just in case the first one doesn't reach them or whatever.

anyhow...does any of that make sense to anyone except me? lol.
WeeJ
QUOTE (candice @ Jul 13 2003, 06:36 PM)
anyhow...does any of that make sense to anyone except me? lol.

Very well put biggrin.gif
MistressAlti
I think deletions should best be handled case-by-case... I mean, every situation for leaving's going to be a bit different, isn't it? I dunno if a formula's going to really take care of everyone...
Rattgirl
QUOTE (Sun Tsu @ Jul 11 2003, 12:30 PM)
The main reason the family album was started was so we could all see each other so I think just having the questionnare is a waste of space. Even if you had a stupid picture it does'nt matter because everyone thinks they look bad in a picture.

So yeah, i don't think non pictured or audio filed members should be in the album.

Btw sun.......I LOVE YOUR AV!!!!!!! wub.gif wub.gif mmmmm Lain....


Anyway...I guess I don't really have much swing, since I"m not here too much, but I think it would be fair to allow people without pictures or audio files IF they are really, really regular posters on the site, because then everyone has probably met them here once or twice. Also, if they can come up with (not necessarily a photo, but) some form of "image" of them, even if it's a drawing, then I think that should be ok. At least they're trying to give people an impression of themselves! (besides, who knows? there may be someone in the forums who has a bad physical defect or something they're very private about, like burn scars or something like that, that they wouldn't want to post in a photo album. And not everyone can make audio files (myself included sad.gif) so *shrug*


That's my opinon.


If they're just someone who's too lazy to either make/post a picture of themselves, or make an audio file, and just want to fill in the questionnaire, then it isn't very fair to those who put forth the effort to do so.
The Tortured Soul
QUOTE (LoLo @ Jul 11 2003, 05:48 PM)
1.) we have two members with a no picture available picture in the album. they were put in because they have audio files, however I'm contemplating getting rid of one of them, because he has no info, and he has never posted, just signed up for the boards.

are ya talking about my drummer... he was just trying to put our song out everwhere he can, if ya want you kan delete him coz he won't be returning to the board and u kan put his audio file in mine coz i'm in it too, just put it in a different section summat like Band audio file (F.T.S.) or summat, does this help???
The Tortured Soul
btw i voted no
leopold
Hmmmm... member deletions, eh?

Well, I think any member who hasn't posted much at all (say, 4 blue boxes or less) should go pretty quickly. We ought to keep people who are fondly remembered by more than one forumite - such as Saucy Tara or Hinsley - but if it's one person an everyone else goes "Meh..." then they should go...

Well, that's the way I'd do it. In fact, I'd make the membership requirements so that people had to progress to beyond 10 posts at least first...
Phyllis
i personally think it'd be more fair to have a formula for everyone.

no exceptions.

that way no one's feelings are hurt if they decide to come back and find they were deleted cause no one had fond memories of them.
The Tortured Soul
yeah he's never posted he just wanted to get the F.T.S. song as many places as he could...
CrissiLove
I have to say that I agree that there should be a set formula because like Candice said, that would prevent hurt feelings and then people who are around now but may be absent later, will know exactly how it will work and what they can do to stay on the album or whatever... But that doesn't mean that it has to be a really strict or absurd formula like "one week and you're outta there!" lol
MistressAlti
A formula also runs the risk of keeping people who post for a week or two (50+ posts), then disappear. And you never see them again...

Besides, it's a FAMILY ALBUM, not a database... gotta keep some humanity to it, you know, can't just be deleting and adding people for the hell of it...
Phyllis
yeah i think 6 months would be a pretty decent amount of time....then they're emailed, asking if they plan to come back, etc....
NummyNums
i hat ehaving to click through them all seeing ones without pictures and such.. i mean if they have a picture and no sound thats fine... or if they have soundbut know pic thats fine to.. but if they just have stats or somethin thats not cool
CrissiLove
a formula still seems the most fair way to do it to me.... six months seems like a long time to me though... lol but what do I know... the years seem to be flying by so maybe it's not so long... lol

I think that a part of the formula should be that if somebody knows that they will be leaving for an extended period of time, that they let LoLo know (most of the time this is no problem because of goodbye posts)... and once that time is up, then LoLo (or whoever... not trying to make this all her responsibility... lol) could email the person or something like that... but that for unexpected absences, there be a length of time set before they get notified that they will be taken out of the album unless they respond.
leopold
Ooooh, formulas!! I like makin those things up! I'll get crackin on one right now!

I think it should be based on: time here, number of posts, number of people who remember them (good or bad), the amount of time passed since postin last... that kinda thing...

I'll jab summat up shortly...
Rattgirl
QUOTE (leopold @ Jul 13 2003, 02:18 PM)
Ooooh, formulas!! I like makin those things up! I'll get crackin on one right now!

I think it should be based on: time here, number of posts, number of people who remember them (good or bad), the amount of time passed since postin last... that kinda thing...

I'll jab summat up shortly...

don't forget overall general level of activity....kinda like number of posts, but I've seen a couple people who only post in one thread of one forum...they do it a couple times a week but they never seem to go anywhere else. *shrug*


but then again, feel free to tell me I'm a crackhead and throw soggy things at me.
Phyllis
well, if we do decide to do the emailing thing......then i'd volunteer for that position, to save lo some work. my absences during school will probably only be a week at a time, if that...so....i'll be pretty available.

but if we decide not to go that route, that's fine too smile.gif
Phyllis
okay...i had what i think is a pretty good idea earlier.

why not just make an "old members" page or previous members or whatever ya wanna call it. i'd volunteer to manage it (it doesn't have to be me....i'm just trying to save lo from having even more work). that could let people who happen to come back know that even though they may be gone, we haven't forgotten them.

that way we could use an inhuman formula....and it'd be fair. what do you guys think...good idea or no?
CrissiLove
hehe kind of like a gone but not forgotten kind of thing... That sounds cool smile.gif
leopold
Actually, that is a very good idea... an MIA page!! Would be easy to keep up to date (no changes to existin members) an would mean the openin page is relevant... a bit like any family album, really...
MistressAlti
QUOTE (candice @ Jul 14 2003, 12:43 PM)
why not just make an "old members" page or previous members or whatever ya wanna call it. i'd volunteer to manage it (it doesn't have to be me....i'm just trying to save lo from having even more work). that could let people who happen to come back know that even though they may be gone, we haven't forgotten them.

Much better. I like it.
ravein
I think that is a good idea... say no posts in 4 months without mention of leaving... it is probably safe to say they are not coming back. I have decided that I am going to put my pick back in.. but I am going to be in disguise ...just in case my stalker comes back hahahahaha laugh.gif
Where should I send my new photo lo??
Phyllis
goody smile.gif

4 months sounds like a good time to me...any objections? and i'll start an account and such if no one minds me doing it?

i also think that members should be put on the retired page if they say that they are leaving, then they actually do so......they can always go back to the reg. page if they decide to come back.

so.....is all this okay w/ everyone?
leopold
Fine by me! smile.gif
CrissiLove
yayyyyyyyyy a plan! smile.gif It is a great idea, Candice!
Phyllis
thanks crissi! smile.gif

i'm just waiting till lo gets on to see what she thinks to execute it...since everyone else seems to be okay with it....
Mr Fuzzy
I would say add peeps who have got some sort of presence here regardless of whether they have a pic or audio sample. A lot of bods on here don't have scanners/cams and a lot don't have mic's(Worrying 'cause I remember when you couldn'tt get sound hardware without being given 12 crap ones free) so can't join in without knowing about external resources to deal witth it. If somebody hangs around long enough to be recognised, let 'em in!

BTW - After September 6'th you may be able to get pictures of me! (I have a webcam, and 2 digital cameras, but I'm horribly camera shy)
Mr Fuzzy
Actually, I've had a thought... I'm not well up on online programming, but I would suspect it would be possible to extract the AV's and personal info from tthe database that Invision keeps for here. Try poking Debseleniumrectifier about that - he seems to know his grunions about webly programming...

That would save on a fair old bit of site admin.
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