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Faerieryn
OK I don't know whether any other females in the room have said that they are unamicable towards condoms but I will state that I am NOT a fan. I will use them when I first get into a relationship but once I know my partner (and know that they are 'clean') I will put them aside.
As a migraine sufferer I am unable to take the contraceptive pill (something to do with strokes and blood clots) so I used to have a depo provera jab. A needle stuck in my backside cheek every three months stopped babies and periods. This was fine until there was a nationwide shortage last year. In this period of I time I had to go back to condoms and had TWO and yes I repeat TWO of the bloody things break in the same week. We were putting them on correctly etc etc and I had to take the morning after pill twice which the pharmacist very nearly refused to let me do!
After going back on the jab I was told that six years on it was not a good plan as it has been linked to osteoporosis(?) and my fisrt thought was "thanks for telling me THAT when I was 16" SO I now have a small implant in my arm that lasts for THREE YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and does the same thing as the jab except in smaller doses over time making side effects less noticeable.
SO there we have a run down of other chemical contraceptive devices aside from the pill for women. I know it sounds like my life history but hey! Hope I have been informative and maybe given some talking points to discuss with nurses (such as if the flippin jab isn't a good idea after 6 years why don't you mention this grumble grumble grumble!)
Luv Ryn
(P.S How can you tell if a bloke is REALLY mean? They wear 'ribbed for her pleasure' inside out!)
Forever Unknown
QUOTE
I used to have a depo provera jab. A needle stuck in my backside cheek every three months stopped babies and periods.


My friend recently had that done and it's given her some awful side effects - her periods were all very random, and she'd have months where she was on for three weeks, and off for one. Did you suffer anything like that? I'm just curious.
Faerieryn
Not really although I have had other friends who have been depressed and put on loadds of weight. It worked fine for me but then again I'm a bit weird anyway!
Righteous
QUOTE (Sir_Psycho_Sexy @ Jun 11 2004, 01:39 PM)
QUOTE (Righteous @ Jun 11 2004, 04:05 AM)
Though this was a joke, I saw something to make me think. I saw a "full-body condom" that looked similar to a poncho. It really made me think about the whole idea of protection. I dunno. I neeed to ponder some more.

uhh....isn't that in naked gun??

Good question. Never saw it. I saw the full-body condom in the gag gift section when I worked at Spencer's Gifts.
spuglet
I've been on the pill for...ooh..nearly a year now. I use a 21 day combined pill called microgynon. Apparently it is one of the lower risk pills. I have had no side effects, ever since i went on it i have had lighter, more regular periods with little to no pain. its ace!

i was offered the choice of an injection, but i was told that if there were side effects, while one can stop the pill immediatly, the injection remains in your body for three months and theres nothing you can do but wait it out...so i chose the pill.

Later on i will probably have a hysterctomy or that implant that lasts for 10 years (excuse my lack of naming) as i dont plan to have children, and if i ever change my mind ill adopt one rather than adding to the population.

I am glad the abstiance idea hasnt come to britain, i went to a catholic school and they still never pushed the idea much. In fact they barely did sex ed at all...hm. I never got the talk, i got several over the years. (however, my mother is still in blissful ignorance of my lack of virginity and my use of the pill)

I highly recommend 'going double' using two types of contraception. its hell of a lot safer.
#tay
Right, me being fourteen AND a virgin and all, it's weird for me to be asking this. But, are condoms really good for anal sex? because well... augh. = = It's hard for me to explain without going into detail. Wouldn't it be hard to have anal sex with a condom without fear of breakage? Or that it might accidentally pull off? I've never really heard much about anal sex with condoms or about breakage and such, but I'm really curious to know. I know using lubricant might be a good idea, though. And lots of it. seriously. ><;
Forever Unknown
Durex do an 'extra safe' version which is thicker. Gay men tend to use that kind with a lot of lubricant, I've been told.
Mutilation
Yea, you need atleast some lube. Especially if they have a small. Well you know what I mean wink.gif
Feyliya
I'm on the pill. Yasmin to be exact. It has a low occurance of side effects, and I've had no problem with it in the months that I've taken it. And for extra protection, Randy actually pulls out. His idea, actually. I suggested condoms but....::coughcough::.....it IS possible to be too big.....::coughluckymecoughcough::

I'm tempted to get the implant, or to get the shot. I'm not planning on ickle kiddies for quite some time, if at all.
CommieBastard
QUOTE (#tay @ Jun 18 2004, 05:11 AM)
Right, me being fourteen AND a virgin and all, it's weird for me to be asking this. But, are condoms really good for anal sex? because well... augh. = = It's hard for me to explain without going into detail. Wouldn't it be hard to have anal sex with a condom without fear of breakage? Or that it might accidentally pull off? I've never really heard much about anal sex with condoms or about breakage and such, but I'm really curious to know. I know using lubricant might be a good idea, though. And lots of it. seriously. ><;

Yes, unless both participants have been tested for all STDs, a condom should definitely be used for anal sex. Unprotected anal sex is the easiest way for STDs to be transmitted.

Lube, of course, is strictly a comfort issue (especially if you're fourteen wink.gif).
acid_rain_child
Good lord, child, why are you getting into anal sex so young? My friend's mom told us it feels like you're taking a dump the whole time unsure.gif and that sounds gross... but I guess some people enjoy it. Whatever floats your boat.

I don't see any reason to use protection in anal sex if you're both clean, the lube sounds like it would work just fine, but what the hell do I know?
Righteous
Someone once told me that, while doing anal with a woman, using her vaginal juices is a good enough lubricant, of course you have to engage in vaginal sex first in order to do that (duh). And yeah, some people really dig that, as in both genders and both roles (I know what you're thinking but please don't ask [shudder]).
CommieBastard
Someone has told me that at one point in a woman's period cycle (I believe just after the period ends), she can't get pregnant. "If [name removed] got pregnant, she would be put in the medical journals as some kind of freak", apparently (we were discussing somebody who had unprotected sex just after her period).

This makes me suspicious. Anybody know anything about this?
acid_rain_child
Apparently (I just looked your question up) the couple days after your period are the least likely days for conception, but nothing is impossible, for sperm live days after they're been "planted" in the woman. I think the scientific reason for this is because your period is when you shed the lining, and the days after your period are the first days of your body growing another lining. With no lining, there's nothing for a fertilized egg to attach to.
Artemisia
In answer to Commie's question, this is what it says on Planned Parenthood.org, an excellent sex-ed site:

The menstrual cycle usually works on a 28 day system, with the first day of menstruation on day 1. The ovum is usually released on day 14 or the middle of the cycle, there-abouts. So that gives about 1 week of menses, where the current ovum is being flushed out of the body, and for another week- from day 7 - day 14 hormones are being released to prepare for egg release on day 14 or whatever. So I believe the idea is that it is very unlikely for a person to get pregnant when there is no ovum (egg) in the system as it hasn't been released yet. That's the theory of Natural Planning, and they use many techniques to discover when an egg will be in the system and avoid sex on those "risk" days. They check cervical mucus for color and consistency daily, and take a body termperature reading, as this also tells when they are in the "risk" period.

But PLEASE PLEASE do NOT use this or other "natural planning" methods as birth control, unless you can afford to chance a pregnancy! Look at any health clinic website and it will tell you just what the failure rates for this kind of "contraceptive method" are-- they are 20% failure rate with typical use (www.plannedparenthood.org - means in one year, 20 of 100 women will get pregnant). See, I am told it is possible for the sperm to survive in a woman's body for up to 7 days....so, even if you think there's no egg when you have sex, there could be 6 days later....and then, wow, egg and sperm in same place at same time......oops! BESIDES, a lot of young women have VARIABLE CYCLES, so it's not always easy to count the days when your period comes at even slightly irregular intervals....
acid_rain_child
Oh, then to hell with my theory blink.gif
snooodlysnoosnoosnoodle
your theory was actually pretty close.

Artemisia pretty mcuh hit the nail on the head. FOr the first 14 days of your cycle the egg is developing, it is not until the egg has been released that fertilisation can occur. I believe that sperm usually survives for between 3 and 7 days in the female body, externally it's max is 3 days. It's all about hormones and crap.
Polocrunch
QUOTE (acid_rain_child @ Jun 18 2004, 05:17 PM)
My friend's mom told us it feels like you're taking a dump the whole time unsure.gif and that sounds gross... but I guess some people enjoy it. Whatever floats your boat.

Yeah, that's the point. Evacuating your bowels is actually quite pleasurable, and the entire area around your genitals and anus is very sensitive. For men, anal sex is particularly pleasurable because the prostate gland can be stimulated, which can cause orgasm. For women it's less pleasurable, but the proximity to the vagina still helps.

[/scary anal sex lesson]
acid_rain_child
Like I said, whatever floats your boat, but I've never found taking a dump pleasurable. And if that's what anal sex feels like, I'm the kind of person who would be thinking "Oh my god, this feels like I'm popping a squat" the whole time and not, "Wow, this feels really good" (<- for lack of cleaner language)

But who knows, I may try it one day (chances are actually pretty good that I will) and I may love it. Sorry, spam.
CommieBastard
I myself would be worried about the more...how to put this...scatological aspects of cleanliness. There are some body parts and some excretions that should not, as far as I am concerned, come into contact.
Mutilation
Commie, you don't actually TAKE a dump (unless you've got terrible control).

And supposedly the anus has the most nerve endings so you can get the most pleasure.
Aislinn Faye
Condoms, most definately. I was on the pill, and forgot. I took the shot, and omg, I bled for three months straight! "break-through bleeding" they say. bleh. Always, when I was on the shot, the lady told me I could become sterile over a long period of time, and that "more than likely" when I got off the shot, like.. five years later, I would become fertile again. But yeah, over all..I'd go with condoms, they're easy and quick. Though I have a habit of not using them, bad me I know. Ha! But it matters not, because I can't have sex until May 24, 2006. biggrin.gif yet sad.gif

Oh yeah, and loyalty brand of choice is Life Style.
CommieBastard
QUOTE (Mutilation @ Jun 19 2004, 01:45 PM)
Commie, you don't actually TAKE a dump (unless you've got terrible control).

I know, but surely there would be...er...residue? I mean, it can hardly be clean...

QUOTE
But PLEASE PLEASE do NOT use this or other "natural planning" methods as birth control, unless you can afford to chance a pregnancy! Look at any health clinic website and it will tell you just what the failure rates for this kind of "contraceptive method" are-- they are 20% failure rate with typical use (www.plannedparenthood.org - means in one year, 20 of 100 women will get pregnant). See, I am told it is possible for the sperm to survive in a woman's body for up to 7 days....so, even if you think there's no egg when you have sex, there could be 6 days later....and then, wow, egg and sperm in same place at same time......oops! BESIDES, a lot of young women have VARIABLE CYCLES, so it's not always easy to count the days when your period comes at even slightly irregular intervals....


That worries me. Because the period cycle was the reason the nurse at the hospital gave for refusing to give the morning-after pill to the girl I was talking about - she said that she couldn't get pregnant anyway because of the cycle, so the pill would be wasted.
arpeggiodreams
QUOTE (Feyliya @ Jun 18 2004, 01:11 AM)
I suggested condoms but....::coughcough::.....it IS possible to be too big.....::coughluckymecoughcough::

Absolutely, completely, not true.

When we had sex ed my freshman year of high school, we had nurses from the health department across the street come and talk to us. The nurse, with just a little bit of pulling, put the condom over her entire hand. There was absolutely no breakage. And anyone who has a younger brother knows how large they become when blown up.

The brand the heath department uses is Durex, but Trojan does make a 'xtra large' size condom... It's worth a try, because doubling up on your protection does make sex safer.

[/pedantic]

What your view on a male birth control pill? It's in the making, I do believe it's going through clinical trials, which means it could be available in the next 5 years.

How about insurance coverage for birth control? Most insurances will cover Viagra, but not The Pill. Discuss.
CommieBastard
QUOTE (arpeggiodreams @ Jun 19 2004, 06:06 PM)
What your view on a male birth control pill? It's in the making, I do believe it's going through clinical trials, which means it could be available in the next 5 years.

I'd take it, assuming there were no horrible side effects. Especially since if myself and a partner, both tested for STDs, were on the pill, that should be enough protection to scrap the Hated Condom.
acid_rain_child
Commie, from what I understand there is residue. There's this gay sex coloumist (<- I know I spelled that wrong) named Dan Savage who I read religiously. He answers only to the strange and twisted questions and quarrels, which is why I love him so much.
He says that the residue (from the mixture of lube and... uncleanliness) is nasty and smells. He's named the mixture Santorum after a particularly corrupt senator. In fact, if you type in santorum in google, Dan's site should be the first one to pop up. It comes up as:
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Santorum 1. The frothy mix of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex. 2. Senator Rick Santorum.
Mutilation
So that's what that smell is. It's absolutely disgusting. It's like urine gone-off or something.

And how would they make this male pill? (I have some idea but we need a discussion).
Artemisia
On the topic of medical insurance for the Pill - In Canada a lot of the universities have dental and health insurance plans that students buy into, and my plan covered 80% of the cost of birth control pills. I understand this is fairly typical for these types of plans. I think this is something that SHOULD be covered. Also, my doctor gave me like 5 months of free samples before I got a prescription.

By the by, I am very happy with the Alesse ™ brand of pill- I have had no side effects, as it is a lower-dose pill, but still has estrogen and progesterone, unlike some "mini-pills" that do have less side effects, but only have 1 hormone, progesterone, and which are slightly less effective. (It is estrogen that causes most side-effects)
arpeggiodreams
From what I've heard about the male pill is that it diminishes sperm production, so you're shooting blanks. I've also heard that it is very easy to reverse. I'm all for it -- girls shouldn't be the only ones to have their hormones messed with!
Artemisia
I'm not so sure about how I would feel about a male pill....I think it's a good idea, but at the same time, I know how much difficulty teenage GIRLS have remembering to take their own pill, and they have the immediate fear of pregnancy happening in their own bodies, and stuff like PMS and their period, to spur them to remember. I wonder if teenage BOYS would have even higher failure to remember rates......not that I'm saying that girls are better than boys or anything.
Righteous
I already take pills, dear. I'm not apt to forgetting my meds, especially if I have one as important as that.

You know those major drug companies (that I hate) making all those highly expensive phamasuticals? It seems now that every one of them has its own contraceptive pill. Every time I turn around I see an advert for a birth-control drug with a low occurance of side effect including nausea, fatigue, muscle ache, diarrhea, abdominal pain, cramping, hemmoraging, partial blindness, mood swings, siezures, upset stomach, paralysis, death and headache.
gothictheysay
I'm not having sex until my partner reassures me about not having children. Methinks this will be a nice chunk of years and will have to be a *very* persuasive partner. biggrin.gif

That worries ME, Commie. Girls' cycles can be extremely irregular, even if you've been "on time" for a long time. I would make that lady give me the pill! Better safe than sorry!

QUOTE
but I've never found taking a dump pleasurable


Oh, COME ON. Not ONCE? laugh.gif Oh, I know I have...

...and there's poo in that orifice, so not my cup of tea unsure.gif
Spacehappy
http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/b...traceptive?open

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994237

A few links on male contraception for you. The development of this has been going on for years, but it's getting closer. Read the disadvatages in the first link.
porcelainwarrior
QUOTE (Artemisia @ Jun 21 2004, 06:13 PM)
On the topic of medical insurance for the Pill - In Canada a lot of the universities have dental and health insurance plans that students buy into, and my plan covered 80% of the cost of birth control pills. I understand this is fairly typical for these types of plans.

Oh my, you guys pay for birth control? How is that sensible in anyway at all???

[/spam]
acid_rain_child
What, do they just hand it out over there? Of course we have to pay for it. I'm surprised we don't pay a monthly air fee.
{Gothic Angel}
QUOTE (Twitching @ Jun 7 2004, 12:05 PM)
The best sex ed I've ever had was: a. my mother, and b. my biology 2 class.

See, in bio, we watched this video.... and lets just say most of it was from itty bitty cameras shoved where no cameras should go at all. It was so disturbing that half the class will be putting off sex for an extra year in order to forget it.

I mean...we really didn't need to see an infra-red video of an erection either....

(The entire class was dead silent during this entire video. Because if anyone had laughed, we all would have been in hysterics for the rest of the class period.)

You held it off? We actually had the hysterics.

One of the best parts was "Now that I've started my period, I know I'm a woman". And you didnt notice that before, sweetie? rolleyes.gif

QUOTE (gothictheysay @ June 8 @ 2004, 05:15pm)
(The first time I used a tampon, I wasn't sure if I'd shoved it up far enough. I don't like them anyway - they feel too weird coming out, and I soak through most in 15 minutes. And I'm not getting any super absorbency because of TSS...my friend's friend died of it. I just take my pads and the chafing )


God, I dont know how I would live without tampons. I get serious allergic reactions to most pads, which is *not* fun. And the Kotex ones are soooo expensive (they're practically the onlt ones I can use). I'd rather use a pad at night though. I dont want TSS either tongue.gif

Does anyone know whether the rumour about companies putting asbestos into tampons to make you bleed more so you buy more tamons is ture blink.gif It scared me.

Also, I went to get a morning after pill with my friend ("Well we did use a condom but we did some stuff before that and it sorta went everywhere" laugh.gif). She didnt have to pay for the pill as an emergency measure (although we did have to have a long, tedious chat with the pharmacist), but as a regular method of contraception, its not really unreasonable to expect people to pay. I mean, people do pay for condoms, dont they tongue.gif
Righteous
You can get a bag of rubbers at the health clinic for free around here. You can also get tested for STDs and pregnancy and, I believe, get birth-control pills (the cheap ones). I don't know about morning-after pills, though. I haven't been there yet.
Aislinn Faye
Yes, you can get birth control, and can also get the morning after pill. All for free free free!!! You can also get free pap-smears, and if you say you're a confidential teen, they give you loads of stuff. Atleast is North Carolina you can get the morning after pill for free..I dun know about here in Florida.
Gah, and when it comes to tampons I like The Tampax Pearls. What I don't understand is why the have fragrances.. I mean.. it's up in you, unless someone's gonna be hardcore smelling between your legs you don't need scented ones, they make me sick, tired and have a head ache. Though I do wear tampons over night, even though I shouldn't. unsure.gif hehe, aren't we just an open bunch laugh.gif
MarJ
My prefered method of contraception is keeping my legs very firmly crossed! tongue.gif
spuglet
Contraception is free here. Any problems or thoughts about sex, you just toddle off to the family planning clinic! I get my contraceptive pill supply there and every time i go they give me shedloads of condoms too. I've never had to use the morning after pill, but i know they also provide that for free.
They will also arrange for STD tests and abortions for free. God bless the NHS for helping some of my less sensible friends.
the lil' pie fairy
the only problem with NHS clinics is that they aren't open everyday. so everyone goes at once and the shame keeps some girls away. silly things.
i think the morning-after pill has to be prescribed by a nurse or a doctor, because when i needed it i had to get an emergency appointment then take the prescription to a pharmacy. unless it varies in different areas. huh.gif

they do abortions for free? i'm not sure i agree with that, but i'll bet some girls have found it a huge relief unsure.gif
jenofthejen
I think most of us can say that we hate, hate, hate, condoms too. But its better than having your you know what fall off. Condoms are great protection as far as STDs go but to prevent pregnancy I use film. It seems to be the least messy and convient.
Phyllis
QUOTE (MarJ @ Jun 26 2004, 05:04 AM)
My prefered method of contraception is keeping my legs very firmly crossed! tongue.gif

Which you obviously didn't use consistently, since you recently had a baby! laugh.gif

Meanwhile, contraception can be found for free in most states for most teenagers (I say most, because they charge on a sliding scale. Teenagers don't have to list their parents' income, and most of them hardly make anything at all, so they get it for free). Since it's a sliding scale, it's always affordable no matter who you are.

Some clinics in the states have the morning after pill, some don't. The one in my town doesn't. If I was in dire need of it, I'd have to go to a neighboring town about 50 miles away. From what I understand, they charge for abortions on a sliding scale as well. I could be wrong about that, though. Again, if I needed one, I'd have to travel for 50 miles.

Oh, and I'm not sure if it's the same in all states...but in Oregon if you're on any form of contraceptive through a family planning facility, you have to get STD tests and a complete physical (including a pap smear) every year, otherwise they won't give you the free goodies.
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