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Greeneyes
QUOTE (Righteous @ Jun 7 2004, 02:21 AM)
And what's wrong with sex ed? Where do you expect kids to learn this crap, their parents?

I don't know what your sex education was like, but mine was basically watching cartoon videos about cats that vibrate. Really helpful. It didn't say anything that wasn't obvious.
Twitching
The best sex ed I've ever had was: a. my mother, and b. my biology 2 class.

See, in bio, we watched this video.... and lets just say most of it was from itty bitty cameras shoved where no cameras should go at all. It was so disturbing that half the class will be putting off sex for an extra year in order to forget it.

I mean...we really didn't need to see an infra-red video of an erection either....

(The entire class was dead silent during this entire video. Because if anyone had laughed, we all would have been in hysterics for the rest of the class period.)
Mata
My sex education was pretty much a diagram, three or four feet high, drawn on a chalk board. It looked a bit like an explanation of magnetic field interference. This apparently was supposed to demonstrate female anatomy (it was an all-boys school). My entire education from that could be summarised as 'it's the middle hole', which frankly was about as much use as a chocolate fire-grate. In hell. During the summer.

I'm pretty sure Jonman had it slightly different from me. He was at the same school but in a different class (I suspect he was in the class for people who were good at science). He had a female teacher who pointed to where bits were on her anatomy. Personally that sounds like an excellent contraceptive.
Pab
QUOTE (Mata @ Jun 7 2004, 01:24 PM)
...My entire education from that could be summarised as 'it's the middle hole'...

I was told it was the second hole from the back of the neck ... but not by formal education ... ph34r.gif
Righteous
I once saw a standup comic who said that he wanted "the talk" with his son to be better than "the talk" he had with his dad where his dad handed him a Penthouse Forum and said, "Read this." I find that funny because that's similar to my sex ed, except there was no "talk" and it was spread out over several years. My folks are the kind where if you ask where babies come from they say, "From Mommy's belly." The only real sex ed I got were from 1) my peers (though thhose were more practical things) and 2) Mr. Carver's biology class. We watched "The Miracle of Life." It was very...interesting, yet quite informative. I, too, could have gone without seeing the infrared of an erection. My high school health class was no help. All they did was talk about STDs and tell us we shouldn't have sex
LoLo
My first sex education class was when I was 12. They had this cork board with all the different contraceptives which they held up and then passed around the class. Seeing all of them at the same time was quite confusing if you ask me. It did make me very afraid of IUDs. We saw movies and had diagrams of both the male and female anatomy. That sideways penis picture showing all the different tubels was my first bit of porn. laugh.gif

After that we had sex ed every year to the point that we were all just sick of hearing about it. I think some people did the rebelling thing and didn't use any protection because of this.

Something I've noticed with my friends who got pregnant early is that they go to church, and are extreemly religious. They told me that the reason they didn't use protection is because their religion is against that. My question is, aren't most religions against pre-marital sex? I know theirs were. I just find it funny how some people are so able to easily dismiss the pre-marital sex rule but can't for the love of god use a condom.
Righteous
QUOTE (LoLo @ Jun 7 2004, 10:01 AM)
Something I've noticed with my friends who got pregnant early is that they go to church, and are extreemly religious.  They told me that the reason they didn't use protection is because their religion is against that.  My question is, aren't most religions against pre-marital sex?  I know theirs were.  I just find it funny how some people are so able to easily dismiss the pre-marital sex rule but can't for the love of god use a condom.

That happenes a lot around here. Chicks'll get knocked up after banging twenty guys in a row and say that it was the Will of God because they didn't use a rubber and God wouldn't let them get pregnant if He didn't want them to be. blink.gif I've seen it happen. Jesus talked about this mentality a lot. He remarked that people "strain to pass a few flies (not screwing) but swallow a cow (not using rubbers)." No, these weren't exactly what he meant, but it applies.

I mean, God damn. Is it really that hard?

These are also the same kind of people who get married at 17, divorced at 18 and yell at you for saying "God damn." Not that I know or anything. dry.gif

My uncle actually left the Catholic Church because of the "every sperm is sacred" rule (now he's an Episcopalian aka Catholic Lite; All the religion with half the guilt). He pointed out that if God didn't want to offer man the opportunity to use protection, then he wouldn't have allowed it. Makes sense to me.
Greeneyes
QUOTE (Righteous @ Jun 7 2004, 04:21 PM)
He pointed out that if God didn't want to offer man the opportunity to use protection, then he wouldn't have allowed it. Makes sense to me.

But isn't the Christian view that life on Earth is a test, and therefore God has put the condom on the Earth to see who uses it and who doesn't?

</off topic>
Mata
QUOTE (Greeneyes @ Jun 7 2004, 04:52 PM)
QUOTE (Righteous @ Jun 7 2004, 04:21 PM)
He pointed out that if God didn't want to offer man the opportunity to use protection, then he wouldn't have allowed it. Makes sense to me.

But isn't the Christian view that life on Earth is a test, and therefore God has put the condom on the Earth to see who uses it and who doesn't?

</off topic>

Maybe organised religion is a test.

Although I'm not sure if you pass by believing in it or by questioning it...
leopold
QUOTE (Greeneyes @ Jun 7 2004, 04:52 PM)
QUOTE (Righteous @ Jun 7 2004, 04:21 PM)
He pointed out that if God didn't want to offer man the opportunity to use protection, then he wouldn't have allowed it. Makes sense to me.

But isn't the Christian view that life on Earth is a test, and therefore God has put the condom on the Earth to see who uses it and who doesn't?

</off topic>

Huh? huh.gif

Are we suggesting that the condom was put on earth as a test?? But... but... wouldn't this prove the existence of God? And given that he said "Proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing", does this therefore prove He exists, and therefore means He doesn't??

*Head spins*

The purpose of life is to reproduce. If we don't, we cease to be. The fact that humans are blessed with (a.) the enjoyment of sex and (b.) the desire to do other stuff than be parents, we're at a bit of a catch 22 (in that we can't do both unless we're either infertile or bloody lucky). This is why the condom, the pill, the coil, the cap blah blah... exist, in order that we can have our cake and eat it. Or in this case, have lots of sex and still have careers.
Righteous
I think God put protection on this Earth as both a blessing and a test in the sense that since the vast majority of stupid people don't use it (while most intelligent people do, that is when they don't want kids), there are more stupid people running around, thus testing us.
nordelen
QUOTE (Righteous @ Jun 7 2004, 02:21 AM)
And what's wrong with sex ed? Where do you expect kids to learn this crap, their parents?

i think sex ed, if done properly, can be a huge deterant to teenage pregnancy. for example, the video that our school choise was one that gave all the contraception and STD info, then whent straight into showing an acctual pregnancy with all the trimmings (blood, amnionic(?) fluid and placenta). i tell ya, it looked like the woman was going to split in two like somthing out of a horror movie.
Snugglebum the Destroyer
Believe me - it's much worse if you're the women in question. blink.gif
LoLo
The ROP student that we have work for our store got one of those fake babies that are programmed to cry and act like a real baby last weekend. I think this is a great thing to do to people in there teenage years to let them understand how it is to be a parent.

Before she got this fake baby she had been talking about how she kind of wanted one because they're cute and you can buy cute clothes for them etc. After having that thing for 2 days she says she doesn't ever want kids.

It was kind of funny to listen to her talk about it because she was saying she was so tired because the baby wouldn't stop crying and let her sleep. At one point in time she even contemplated throwing it out her car window in front of a semi so she wouldn't have to deal with it anymore.

I personally think this should be in every teenagers sex ed class.
acid_rain_child
QUOTE (LoLo @ Jun 8 2004, 02:58 PM)
I personally think this should be in every teenagers sex ed class.

I think sex ed should be manditory. None of this "get your parents to sign this letter" BS. The better informed kids are about this stuff, the more cafeful they'll be, it makes sense. If it takes giving a fake baby to someone to get it through their skull, then so be it. My sex ed, 5th grade, the teacher put a tampon in a glass of water and asked if we had any questions. I could've had sex ed this year, but I refused because it was some Church of Christ representative preaching abstinence, and I wasn't going to deal with it. My friend stayed with me-- she had listened to him last year, and got pregnant the same year. Her kid is about a year and 2 months now (he's adorable!) which just goes to show how much that little pep talk worked.
Tigersong
From my local newspaper:

"A study [from Philadelphia] that examined the sex lives of 12,000 adolescents concluded that those who make a public pledge to abstain until marriage delay sex, have fewer sex partners and get married earlier, according to the data, gathered from adolescents ages 12 to 18 who were questioned again six years later. But the two groups' STD rates were statistically similar.

The problem, the study found, is that those virginity "pledgers" are much less likely to use condoms."

I think our society should focus less on preaching "Just Say No," and should focus more on "Just Say No For Now." That is, teach kids to be ready and prepared before going into a sexual relationship, not teach absolute abstinence (which apparently doesn't work anyway).
gothictheysay
Amen Tigersong.

I suppose our sex ed was all well and good - mostly all during health in 6th grade. We went to some center to learn about it in 5th grade - I distinctly remember talking to two boys afterwards with my friend. Yes, girls grow up first. rolleyes.gif "That stuff was DISGUSTING!" "No, it was not! That's how humans reproduce! That's how YOU were born!"

Well, our teacher was cool too. She was a chick fresh out of college. She's still cool. OK, some of the incessant videos got tiresome. And I only remember the school nurse flailing some huge tampon in the air (after it had been under water). Actually, the best reference for me was a book called "What's Happening to My Body? Book for Girls" and I don't remember the author. But I love her. I kept that book in my room - it's probably still up there. Every time I had a question I had that book. My dear mother wasn't around anymore when I started going through my, er, changes ( rolleyes.gif ) and heck if I was going to ask my father! Or even worse, sit on the phone with an aunt or something. I still refer back to that book as often as possible. And the author is not a preachy abstinence flag-waver either. smile.gif

(The first time I used a tampon, I wasn't sure if I'd shoved it up far enough. I don't like them anyway - they feel too weird coming out, and I soak through most in 15 minutes. And I'm not getting any super absorbency because of TSS...my friend's friend died of it. I just take my pads and the chafing tongue.gif)
acid_rain_child
QUOTE (gothictheysay @ Jun 8 2004, 05:15 PM)
(The first time I used a tampon, I wasn't sure if I'd shoved it up far enough. I don't like them anyway - they feel too weird coming out, and I soak through most in 15 minutes. And I'm not getting any super absorbency because of TSS...my friend's friend died of it. I just take my pads and the chafing tongue.gif)

Tampons suck, I agree.The first time I used one, I was over my grandfather's house. I wanted to use tampons so I wouldn't leave pad wrappers in their bathroom. But it came out over night or something, and the bed sheets were spotted with blood, and in the wierdest places too. I was so embarassed, even though I shouldn't have been-- it's my grandfather! It didn't help that my uncle, who's 16, was in the next room.
People say pads feel like diapers, but I feel safer with pads, and if you have them on the right way, you can't feel them. Plus I'm afraid of TSS.

Okay, that was gross and serious spam, sorry!

Oh, and to comment on bible thumpers and birth control, my government teacher just had her second baby in 2 years. She named the poor thing Jackson *shivers*, but anyway, I asked her how many kids she was going to pump out, and she said, "As many as the Lord wants to give us." I wanted to remind her that the Lord might "let" her have 12 kids if she doesn't use some sort of protection. I didn't say anything of course, but it didn't seem to bother her that she would be continuously pregnant until menopause. I think the main flaws in that thinking are A. it's unhealthy to have as many kids as you can and B. the world is already overpopulated as it is, and all we need are more souless yuppie kids running around. Just because you have the ability to have kids doens't mean you should, or I'd have 3 kids by now.
Righteous
QUOTE (Tigersong @ Jun 8 2004, 10:32 AM)
I think our society should focus less on preaching "Just Say No," and should focus more on "Just Say No For Now." That is, teach kids to be ready and prepared before going into a sexual relationship, not teach absolute abstinence (which apparently doesn't work anyway).

I tell my younger friends (that haven't had sex) to do that. It makes a lot more sense. Regardless of when one loses it it should (keyword: "should") be at an older age and one should be prepared for it, at least emotionally and should have and use protection. I'd awlays have a few rubbers onhand should I get into that situation regardless of whenther I was in a relationship or not. The point wasn't to just go out and get laid; the point was to be prepared should I get into a sexual situation.

QUOTE
I wanted to remind her that the Lord might "let" her have 12 kids if she doesn't use some sort of protection. I didn't say anything of course, but it didn't seem to bother her that she would be continuously pregnant until menopause.

Live in the Bible Belt for awhile. You see that a lot. (shudder) It's common to see a mid-twenties with six kids they can barely afford to take care of. These folks are usually churchgoers, at least that's been my experience.
Spacehappy
Best form of protection from STV is saying NO to the girl/boy/animal that is willing to have sex after talking to you for 2-3 hours in a pub/club/field (mild referance to a Sheep shagging joke thrown in for the English crowd) ect. (and not for cash, or mint sauce). wink.gif

Otherwise i'm like Commie i hate condoms, i found a brand i liked/fitted then they stopped it. Otherwise Condoms if i'm unsure of the sexual history of my partner, the pill otherwise (if they consent), and if they ever sort it out 100% then the male pill/injection.
Snugglebum the Destroyer
It's gotta be said - although I strongly advise condoms every time, I'm not exactly a walking advertisment for them seeing as my son will be a year old in a month. wink.gif

Just goes to show, no matter how careful you are, accidents do happen. *shrug*
Polocrunch
So will you ever tell your firstborn that you got knocked up by accident?
Mr Fuzzy
I can imagine it now... Cue wibbly screen effects.

"Son, there is something I should tell you."
"Yes mummy?"
"You're the sperm that got away"
"..."

laugh.gif
Snugglebum the Destroyer
QUOTE
So will you ever tell your firstborn that you got knocked up by accident?


Well, it's not really like that. mad.gif

He was unplanned, not unwanted.
Polocrunch
Yeah, we believe you. And so will your son. Isn't that right, everyone?
Snugglebum the Destroyer
QUOTE
Yeah, we believe you. And so will your son. Isn't that right, everyone?


Glad to hear it. It would have kept me up all night if you didn't.
Polocrunch
EDITed for stupidity.
Snugglebum the Destroyer
QUOTE
EDITed for stupidity.


Dammit - it took me ten minutes to come up with a really sassy comeback too... tongue.gif
Polocrunch
I want that comeback! I can store it and use it!
Snugglebum the Destroyer
No way - I'm going to start a fight with someone and then use it later. wink.gif
Righteous
Jesus, you two. Calm down.
Starfish
QUOTE (Spacehappy @ Jun 8 2004, 11:44 AM)
Best form of protection from STV is saying NO to the girl/boy/animal that is willing to have sex after talking to you for 2-3 hours in a pub/club/field .

Yup, I have to agree with this, even if you're using a condom, you need to be careful who you're sleeping with. The two most common, and incurable STV's (herpes and HPV, better known as genitel warts), are not prevented by condom use. This is because they transferred by skin to skin contact, not fluids. Condoms only cover the penis, not external female parts or testicals where these viruses also live, so they can be passed when pelvises grind together during sex, or a guys testicals slap against a woman (uh, sorry for the graphics). unsure.gif

So, know who you're sleeping with and use condoms! Remember dating with an STV is a bitch! sad.gif
Sir Psycho Sexy
QUOTE (Righteous @ Jun 9 2004, 06:24 AM)
Jesus, you two. Calm down.

BLASPHEMER!!! *throws stones*

no one's gone for the blunt metalic object for protection i notice
CommieBastard
Remember, kids: Never believe the line "God protects His chosen servants from harm."

Okay, enough Catholic priest jokes stolen from The Onion...
the lil' pie fairy
QUOTE (Sir_Psycho_Sexy @ Jun 9 2004, 08:51 PM)
no one's gone for the blunt metalic object for protection i notice

blink.gif

it's sad that unless you're someone's first partner, there's a risk of them having something. makes border between trust and being cautious hard to tread. i always use condoms, never considered going on the pill as my mum had huge problems with it.

but i'm safe in the fact im still with my first partner, and my other thing was...hopefully safe...hadn't really thought about that huh.gif
oh well rolleyes.gif
Tigersong
Just to let all the girls out there know that if you are experiencing problems on the pill, these days there's a lot more options out there for you -- variety of hormones, dosage levels, ratio of progesterone to estrogen, and all that. Find the one that suits you best, and for the most part you should be able to avoid serious side effects (except in those awful cases like Candice's...) A lot of the crappy side effects that women used to experience on the pill can now be countered with the help of a good physician.

</medical rant>
arpeggiodreams
I'm on the pill... not that I'm having sex with anyone other than myself. blink.gif tmi?
Righteous
QUOTE (Sir_Psycho_Sexy @ Jun 9 2004, 03:51 PM)
QUOTE (Righteous @ Jun 9 2004, 06:24 AM)
Jesus, you two. Calm down.

BLASPHEMER!!! *throws stones*

(BONK!) Ow!

Though this was a joke, I saw something to make me think. I saw a "full-body condom" that looked similar to a poncho. It really made me think about the whole idea of protection. I dunno. I neeed to ponder some more.
gothictheysay
Oh my god...there was a flash animation with a totally steel and spiky condom... "ultimate protection" and there was a body condom too... now where was that from?
arpeggiodreams
QUOTE (Righteous @ Jun 10 2004, 07:05 PM)
Though this was a joke, I saw something to make me think. I saw a "full-body condom" that looked similar to a poncho. It really made me think about the whole idea of protection. I dunno. I neeed to ponder some more.

One of my friends got that for my ex-boyfriend's birthday (while we still dating, rather obviously). It was obviously made for 'little' people, because it was very small, and only went to about waist level (over the head).

Although it was hilarious to see him running around the local bowling alley with that over his head biggrin.gif
Mutilation
I can't be bothered to quote anything, so here are random remarks:

At Forgotten Person 1: But don't the HIV get into the sperm cells, so that if you swallow during Oral Sex, that the virus should still get in, as thanks to Biology I know you can get stuff through mouth and eyes.

At Forgotten Person 2:WHat's Happening To My Body? is by Lynda Madaras (I have the boys version)

At Lots Of Other People: Yes, the three condoms was a joke.

So please, please don't use condoms a packet at a time.
Sir Psycho Sexy
QUOTE (Righteous @ Jun 11 2004, 04:05 AM)
Though this was a joke, I saw something to make me think. I saw a "full-body condom" that looked similar to a poncho. It really made me think about the whole idea of protection. I dunno. I neeed to ponder some more.

uhh....isn't that in naked gun??
Tigersong
QUOTE (Mutilation @ Jun 11 2004, 10:44 AM)
At Forgotten Person 1: But don't the HIV get into the sperm cells, so that if you swallow during Oral Sex, that the virus should still get in, as thanks to Biology I know you can get stuff through mouth and eyes.

The HIV virus is not actually in the sperm cells. It is in the semen, in the fluid. HIV does not attack the cells of your body or your reproductive system. It targets your immune system cells, which is why it is so deadly. As it reproduces inside the cells, it kills the cell to release the virions into the blood and body fluids. Eventually your immune system is overwhelmed and can't keep up, you get AIDS, and then you die of oppurtunistic infections that yoru body can't fight off.

As for contracting the HIV virus during oral sex -- it's one of the more unlikely routes, but it is possible. See, if you immediately swallow any secretions, including pre-ejaculatory fluids (pre-cum), semen, or vaginal secretions, it goes into your stomach, where the acid *should* kill off any HIV viruses (it is an incredibly fragile virus). However, you should not practice this with any cuts on your mouth or lips, as the virus will be able to get in that way.

That being said, you need to realize that oral sex without a condom IS a higher risk activity than oral sex with a condom. It's all a matter of risks. There is no 100% safe sex. There are only differing degrees of safer sex. If you do not know your partner, or if your know your partner has an STD, it would be *much* safer to perform oral sex with a condom and/or dental dam.

Condoms should always be used during anal sex and/or vaginal sex until you are in a stable, monogamous relationship and both of you have been tested for STDs.
gothictheysay
QUOTE
oral sex without a condom IS a higher risk activity than oral sex without a condom.


huh.gif

help...is that last one "with a condom"?
Tigersong
Fixed.
the lil' pie fairy
i know i'm gonna sound stupid now, but i'd like to say, in case anyone else feels bad about it too, that i did not know about being able (edit-there's a chance you could) to contract it through oral sex. although the cuts bit i figured wouldn't be a good idea anyway.

that's something i'm going to try and remember through life. and tell people so they know too *nods*

it's good that this kind of thing gets discussed and people learn things smile.gif
Artemisia
QUOTE (Tigersong @ Jun 11 2004, 01:30 PM)
If you do not know your partner, or if your know your partner has an STD, it would be *much* safer to perform oral sex with a condom and/or dental dam.

Condoms should always be used during anal sex and/or vaginal sex until you are in a stable, monogamous relationship and both of you have been tested for STDs.

Is this a fun time to point out that as a dentistry student, Tigersong has unlimited access to a lifetime's supply of dental dams? Lucky me! tongue.gif j/k

Furthermore, I would argue that condoms should still be used as a second method of protection even once people are in an STD-free monogamous relationship, as others have said.

Also some notes about the pill: 1) You should be careful about going on the pill if you are overweight, as excess body fat will inhibit the pill's effectiveness
2) You should try to take the pill at or about the same time every day because a) this makes it a part of your schedule and helps you to remember to take it every day and b ) because you want to keep the levels of the hormones at a constant level in your body so they will be effective, so you need to take the doses at regularly-spaced intervals to prevent break-through bleeding, ovum release, etc. However, don't get too panicky about it- my doctor said that taking the pill 2 or 3 hours later than normal isn't that big a deal, just don't take it at noon one day, then supper the next, etc.
Aria
So what are other birth control options for females other than screwing around with hormones?

I know of IUDs, but I think those cost money under Canadian system. I'm pretty badly informed about this whole thing....Oh, and diaphragms...
kidvicious2punk
QUOTE
I could be a condom fairy...spreading joy and colorful condoms throughout the world!


laugh.gif lmfao....

i still cant help but think of cand as being wholsome and innocent...

in order to prevent this from being a completely irrelevant post...

im only 13 so im not like sexually active so i dont need protection...from sperm anyway...

in science we just finished sex ed and sinbad was dressed as a condom and he was like

"buy me!i have spermicides which kill the hiv virus!dont buy sheepskin!latex is yo man!!"

so yah....i guess if i was having sex,id use a condom

of course...the safest sex is no sex..

i wouldnt want to risk it for a good time
Mutilation
QUOTE (Tigersong @ Jun 11 2004, 07:30 PM)
QUOTE (Mutilation @ Jun 11 2004, 10:44 AM)
At Forgotten Person 1: But don't the HIV get into the sperm cells, so that if you swallow during Oral Sex, that the virus should still get in, as thanks to Biology I know you can get stuff through mouth and eyes.

The HIV virus is not actually in the sperm cells. It is in the semen, in the fluid. HIV does not attack the cells of your body or your reproductive system. It targets your immune system cells, which is why it is so deadly. As it reproduces inside the cells, it kills the cell to release the virions into the blood and body fluids.

Bleh. Balme the lack of memory and that Sex Ed system we were talking about failing me. I do know what Acquired Immune Deficienty is. Just I thought I remembered something about HIV going into cells, blowing them up and making lots more.
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