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post Jul 18 2005, 08:38 PM
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Finally it begins!

Usually you would expect to find this in creations. Mata however suggested it would be more productive to place this thread in daily life, so as you have obviously noticed here it is.

For those of you already aware that this project was in the pipeline, thank you for your support and patience to date. For those of you who haven’t a clue what this is about I invite you to participate in my investigations.

Firstly I believe a little background information may be useful.
You may or may not be aware that I am a practising artist. I work across wide range of media and ideas depending on my particular focus at any one time. Currently that focus is centred almost exclusively upon information and the systems we as a species use to record and display information. More specifically my attention is currently focused on maps and the way we perceive them in all their varied forms. In order to explore maps and the way individuals view them I have chosen to concentrate (for the moment at least) on surfaces and concepts that are not usually recorded or displayed in ‘map’ form. Previous projects have selected subject matter of a predominantly physical nature the texture of skin, human palm prints and the like.

To take the next step forward in my work I want to put my current findings and conclusions to the test using subject matter which is physically less tangible, something that in many ways cannot be viewed as a solid object or a fixed landscape.
For this I have chosen to look at the internet. The term Worldwide Web evokes in its own way a landscape, a complex network with its own boundaries and rules, something with a distinct physical presence of its own. Yet how many maps and atlases attempt to depict the internet as a physical entity?

It has been done, of that I am aware and the images produced are stunning, enough to fill two books that I am aware of at present (as soon as I can track them down again I will post some links). I am not attempting to copy these images in any way, at this point I have no idea what form this project will take other than a distinct feeling that it will evolve into a series rather than a single piece as already the information and ideas I have gathered are far too complex to be effectively demonstrated within one piece. I may find out something new along the way that proves this point wrong but that again is part of the experience.

At this stage I had better clarify out that many points within this statement are fairly broad generalisation on my part and can be argued in many different directions. Many I have presented to you in a highly simplified way because at this point in my explorations this is the best way for them to make sense as in reality they are constantly changing as I develop my ideas and research. Some are just scribbled notes along the margins of very dubious studies and may eventually be discarded entirely.

Which leads me to ‘The Project’
In order to ‘map’ the internet I need a starting point to work from as it is a vast beastie. Even if I could freeze it at this exact point in time it would take many of my lifetimes and more skill than I possess to thoroughly map every section. Instead I have set my sights on something more manageable, still vastly more complicated than I initially thought but easier to approach. However I need the help of as many forumites as are willing to spare me a few moments of their precious time.

This thread is my starting point.
If it goes well I hope to expand beyond this one and explore other avenues but for the moment, for simplicity and sanity’s sake I’m keeping it simple and concentrating on the one.
All I ask is that having read this you respond, in any way you like, to any idea that interests you. Statements, questions, suggestions for points to consider and things to look at anything and everything is brilliant whether it be a post directly in this thread or a PM or an email to myself.

Before you do however please look at the following points, for the success of this project they are crucial!!!
When you make a post, PM etc, I will be recording the following information….

• Time of post
• Date of post
• Member number of posting member
• Members title
• Members Gender (as stated under Av unless otherwise requested)
• Whether it is in response to the first post or to an issue raised within future posts.
• Content of post (mainly for tracking purposes although if I want to use particular quotes I will contact you in person and ask first)
• Nature of contact, whether it is a PM, Email, text etc…

I would like to be able to make note of the following details but I need each member to give permission before I can use these either within their post or in a separate PM.
Although the information cannot be traced back from the work to yourselves I am aware some of you may prefer to keep these details private, in which case I shall respect that privacy and will work around this.
I adore a challenge so please do not consider this a guilt trip, if you wish this information to be undisclosed I completely understand and will abide by your choice.

• Location: Ideally the city or town would be wonderful but I am equally happy with the wider catagories of country, continent or hemisphere.
• Age

You may have noticed I have refrained from posting any images of previous work at this point. That is because apart from a very few of you who have seen it I would like the initial responses to be uninfluenced by my previous work. Once things are underway I will keep you updated of my progress and post images so that you are aware of how things are going and of what my other work is like. At all times I ask you to be as honest and constructive as I know you all are, anything you can give me even if its “nah not impressed because…” will be invaluable.

This project only stops when the thread dies, it may be after 2 posts or 200.
Thank you for your time and involvement.

Now…On with the experiment!

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post Jul 18 2005, 09:15 PM
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When you say that you are 'mapping' the Internet, do you envisage something that looks like a map, or something else, e.g. a 3d network diagram drawn by Escher (sp) after a hard night on the town? Also, you ask for location, which seems to indicate that traditional mapping will play some part in this, but I am pondering how much of the more traditional type of map you will, or indeed how much you will be able, to put into the project.

At this point I am purely collecting data and assessing the different ways I might display it. Initially it is taking the form of a log, also linear diagrams similar to that of family trees and basic tube train maps are also proving useful to look at. First stage images are mainly going to focs on keeping a clear record of the information in order to work from it and refer back later. Of course I cannot ignore the traditional method of plotting locations upon a geographical image or perhaps producing a 3D representation of the interaction between this thread and the actual RL location of the posting members that is quite an important consideration at this point, even I need a familiar reference point to work from first or with all the information I've gathered in just a few hours my little mind would fry. tongue.gif .
As yet the exact route I will go down is at the developmental, multiple possibilities stage. As my research progresses alongside this thread things should become more clear although at this point I won't even hazard a guess as to what the final image/images will look like. Although I really want to push against all my comfort zones with this one...it is an experiment after all. biggrin.gif

I am completely and utterly baffled. I'm not entirely sure how you're going to show the internet in one.

To be honest neither am I yet.

Thankyou for the details permission!!!

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- Wyvern   Mapping Matazone!   Jul 18 2005, 08:38 PM
- - CheeseMoose   When you say that you are 'mapping' the In...   Jul 18 2005, 08:55 PM
- - I_am_the_best   I am completely and utterly baffled. I'm not e...   Jul 18 2005, 09:00 PM
- - Wyvern   QUOTE When you say that you are 'mapping' ...   Jul 18 2005, 09:15 PM
- - moop   Would cand posting as moop cause confusion? Or add...   Jul 18 2005, 09:15 PM
|- - Wyvern   QUOTE (moop @ Jul 18 2005, 09:15 PM)Would can...   Jul 18 2005, 09:16 PM
- - Cath   Teehee yet more complictions to add to your fun...   Jul 18 2005, 09:21 PM
- - candice   We'll be sure to tell you which is which (this...   Jul 18 2005, 09:22 PM
- - voices_in_my_head   How cool! Just wondering, though - what if th...   Jul 18 2005, 09:26 PM
|- - Wyvern   QUOTE Just wondering, though - what if the thread ...   Jul 18 2005, 09:39 PM
- - markslut   could you re explain. slowly *brain not working*   Jul 18 2005, 09:43 PM
- - Wyvern   I shall try m'dear. Basic gist this mad little...   Jul 18 2005, 09:47 PM
- - Cath   All the info's there that you need she's j...   Jul 18 2005, 09:50 PM
- - markslut   I take it you want my age (22) and where I live (B...   Jul 18 2005, 10:06 PM
- - Wyvern   Ohh thankyou, another bit for the list. You should...   Jul 18 2005, 10:14 PM
- - CommieBastard   Well, you mention a possible three-dimensional mod...   Jul 18 2005, 10:17 PM
|- - Wyvern   Now that is a thought indeed, particularly as th...   Jul 18 2005, 10:26 PM
|- - arachnidoc17   QUOTE (CommieBastard @ Jul 18 2005, 06:17 PM)...   Jul 18 2005, 10:35 PM
|- - Greeneyes   QUOTE (arachnidoc17 @ Jul 18 2005, 10:35 PM)Q...   Jul 18 2005, 10:39 PM
|- - arachnidoc17   QUOTE (Greeneyes @ Jul 18 2005, 06:39 PM)Erm,...   Jul 18 2005, 10:44 PM
|- - kisah   QUOTE (arachnidoc17 @ Jul 18 2005, 10:44 PM)Q...   Jul 28 2005, 10:12 AM
- - Greeneyes   I be 17, and live in Thatcham. Details are ok. I c...   Jul 18 2005, 10:31 PM
- - snoo   You have all my best wishes for this, I can see it...   Jul 18 2005, 10:47 PM
- - moop   QUOTE (arachnidoc17 @ Jul 18 2005, 03:44 PM)Q...   Jul 18 2005, 10:53 PM
- - Chronotub   sounds like it will be intresting to see the resul...   Jul 18 2005, 10:56 PM
|- - Cath   QUOTE (Chronotub @ Jul 18 2005, 11:56 PM)soun...   Jul 19 2005, 11:56 AM
|- - Wyvern   QUOTE (Cath @ Jul 19 2005, 11:56 AM)QUOTE (Ch...   Jul 20 2005, 08:50 PM
- - EvilSpoon   I'm sorry, but that project would make my head...   Jul 18 2005, 11:10 PM
- - eleraama   It sounds fascinating; I eagerly await news of you...   Jul 19 2005, 03:35 AM
- - Faerieryn   Does this mean you'll be too busy to come see ...   Jul 19 2005, 06:57 AM
|- - Wyvern   QUOTE (Faerieryn @ Jul 19 2005, 06:57 AM)Does...   Jul 19 2005, 07:03 AM
- - Feyliya   Try not to post about sex, try not to post about s...   Jul 19 2005, 08:55 AM
|- - IrishGuy   QUOTE (Feyliya @ Jul 19 2005, 03:55 AM)Try no...   Jul 19 2005, 04:39 PM
- - I_am_the_best   Oh yeah, forgot to say. I'm 13 and live in St ...   Jul 19 2005, 11:42 AM
|- - CommieBastard   QUOTE (I_am_the_best @ Jul 19 2005, 12:42 PM)...   Jul 19 2005, 05:00 PM
- - depressed lonely crazy person   I'm still not sure what you're doing but a...   Jul 19 2005, 11:59 AM
- - Ashbless   You can add me into your project as well. 33 (and...   Jul 19 2005, 03:38 PM
|- - Cath   QUOTE (Ashbless @ Jul 19 2005, 04:38 PM)You c...   Jul 19 2005, 04:03 PM
- - Jonman   • Time of post • Date of post • Member number of p...   Jul 19 2005, 03:43 PM
- - Daria   Go for it! Daria (becky), 17, female, Suffolk,...   Jul 19 2005, 07:12 PM
- - Greeneyes   If you ask me, it's a case of choosing a start...   Jul 19 2005, 07:53 PM
|- - kisah   QUOTE (Greeneyes @ Jul 19 2005, 07:53 PM)If y...   Jul 28 2005, 10:17 AM
- - Calantyr   'ello there. This looks rather fascinating, if...   Jul 19 2005, 09:03 PM
- - Little Green Goth   Gah...just reading all the smart people posts is e...   Jul 19 2005, 09:25 PM
- - artist.unknown   Eep. And here's me too lazy to finish off a si...   Jul 20 2005, 06:51 PM
- - Wyvern   Bearing in mind that these images are a couple of ...   Jul 20 2005, 09:52 PM
|- - kisah   QUOTE (Wyvern @ Jul 20 2005, 09:52 PM)Anyway ...   Jul 28 2005, 10:22 AM
- - Feyliya   Very awesome piccies! I have absolutely no cl...   Jul 20 2005, 10:08 PM
- - moop   And now, just to complicate things, you have a Can...   Jul 20 2005, 10:16 PM
|- - Wyvern   QUOTE (moop @ Jul 20 2005, 10:16 PM)And now, ...   Jul 20 2005, 10:22 PM
- - MackSals   This project sounds very interesting. I can't ...   Jul 21 2005, 04:55 PM
- - spiffilicious05   Wow, that seems like a lot of work. Have fun, and...   Jul 21 2005, 05:24 PM
- - Wyvern   QUOTE Still need data? At the moment that ones on...   Jul 24 2005, 07:16 PM
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|- - kisah   QUOTE (Apollyon @ Jul 28 2005, 05:11 AM)Hey a...   Jul 28 2005, 10:27 AM
|- - Jonman   QUOTE (kisah @ Jul 28 2005, 11:27 AM)And what...   Jul 28 2005, 10:37 AM
- - Spacehappy   Pete, 33 Roath, Cardiff.   Jul 28 2005, 10:22 PM
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|- - Wyvern   QUOTE As promised just to confuse you some more a ...   Jul 31 2005, 07:34 PM
|- - Cath   QUOTE (Wyvern @ Jul 31 2005, 08:34 PM)Why am ...   Jul 31 2005, 09:23 PM
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