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post Jan 17 2006, 06:12 AM
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well, its been disturbing me lately that i havent found much people that know what emo is. so just a gucik question, do you know what emo is?
(im not trying to make anyone mad.)


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A genre of music and the fashion and culture that people who listen to it (or pretend to listen to it) tend to follow.

'Emo' is short for emotional, though the pages I linked make that clear.

Generally based on punk but softer and with whiney lyrics about the singers ex girlfriends. >_> Maybe I have a slightly skewed view of it.

I'm by no means a fan but Wikipedia is all powerful so I figured I'd answer.


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post Jan 17 2006, 05:31 PM
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Hahahahahahahahaha... you can't expect to ask what emo is and not start an arguement.

Its pretty much agreed upon by all that Emo (short for emotional hardcore) started in the late 80s/early 90s with bands like Rites of Spring, Embrace and Husker Du.

In the mid 90s bands like Sunny Day Real Estate, Far, Mineral and the Appleseed Cast brought out their own brand of emo, which was labelled emocore, and was generally more melodic than the original emo, though keeping to the poetic nature of the lyrics.

Those bands definitely are emo. Anyone who disagrees here is actually wrong, and this isn't just me being all "I'm so totally more emo than you."

The problem arises when we hit the 21st century, and the next generation of emo bands come out. These days everyone has their own opinions on whether Funeral For A Friend or Hawthorne Heights or whoever are actually emo. Certainly most of them are influenced by the early emo bands. And then there's the emergence of emo as a being a culture, not just a style of music. Again, everyone has different ideas as to what this entails.

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post Jan 17 2006, 10:21 PM
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I must agree about the kitten. That thing is downright ugly.
Anyway, I know a few people who define themselves as emo, but they really aren't such a flattering representation of the whole subculture. Mainly they whien about how horrible their love lives are and write bad poetry. tongue.gif


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post Jan 17 2006, 11:17 PM
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"I wish my lawn was Emo, then it would cut itself"

A joke thats been doing the rounds recently.

Seriously, I'm not being flippant or insulting about those who self-harm, I know how life destroying it can be.
The joke was told to me by the biggest fan of Emo music and culture I know, who also has a very ironic sense of humor.
In a way it does sum up something of the culture though - laughing through the tears sort of thing.


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post Jan 18 2006, 01:09 AM
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QUOTE (tv with legs @ Jan 16 2006, 10:12 PM)
well, its been disturbing me lately that i havent found much people that know what emo is.
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Just curious, but why would you find this disturbing? blink.gif I mean, surely there are more pressing issues to be concerned with rather than knowing the definition of emo?

Not trying to insult or belittle you or anything...I'm just honestly curious about why it would concern you so much.


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post Jan 18 2006, 04:34 AM
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I saw a post somewhere a couple of months back where someone said "Emo is the new goth, but there are still goths around too. It's intolerable". On the plus side, it does mean that all of the miscellaneous eyeliner and black wearers don't get labelled as 'goth' any more, which I guess must leave most goths feeling pretty relieved. On the other hand, I'm fed up with being called emo just because I happen to wear more makeup than most of the girls that I know.

In summary, they'll go away eventually. Just look out for the ones that suddenly change fashion. They, sadly, appear to be the definition of emo these days.


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post Jan 18 2006, 05:27 AM
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It's true. Emo is soon going to be replaced by 80's-esque synth poppish stuff (so it seems)....if anyone's fimiliar with 'Shimmy Shimmy Quarter Turn' by HelloGoodbye(?) then you know what I'm talking about.

...I just don't know if it's a good or bad thing. blink.gif


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post Jan 18 2006, 10:37 AM
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Okay, I've finally given up on resisting:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4...&q=fall+out+boy

Clicky for an average person attempting to understand the strange language of emo. Warning: Contains occasional badly drawn phallic objects.

It was amusing until I found the real lyrics and found them much funnier. He seems to go from saying how girl A means nothing to him to wanting to shoot himself over her. He also seems to have forgotten to look up "God complex" before using the phrase in his song. Possibly the reason they broke up is because he seems to be stalking her, which most people find rather creepy.

Disclaimer: This is not a flame, I'm sure there are good emo bands, these guys just make me cry by making no sense and requiring the lyrics in front of you to comprehend what their singer is saying. I seriously failed to interpret their lyrics any other way.


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I love that video biggrin.gif It just about sums it all up really.


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post Jan 18 2006, 09:45 PM
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Here are the real lyrics to the video, but they don't make much more sense than the parody. Unintelligible angsty emo songs seem to be created just for parodies. Great video. tongue.gif


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post Jan 19 2006, 08:39 AM
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posers are my pet peeves.
>.>

emo
EMOtive hardcore rock
idk, its just that lately ive seen alot of people obsessed with emo. really badly.
i just wanted to know if anyone knew what it i was.


(please please please, im not trying to start an arguement.


actually, some people say that emo isnt realy except for the genre
and others say its real but too many posers
i guess it depends on how you view it.


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post Jan 24 2006, 07:43 AM
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QUOTE (tv with legs @ Jan 19 2006, 01:39 AM)
posers are my pet peeves.
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emo
EMOtive hardcore rock
idk, its just that lately ive seen alot of people obsessed with emo. really badly.
i just wanted to know if anyone knew what it i was.


(please please please, im not trying to start an arguement.


actually, some people say that emo isnt realy except for the genre
and others say its real but too many posers
i guess it depends on how you view it.
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Well, with me fresh out of high school [as of last june] I can definitely attest to the explosion of "emo"-riffic culture in the last two years. I suppose this is just the way that pop-cukture is swinging, and when this trend ends, much like boy bands of the nineties, the pop-culture youth will move on to it's next fad.

As far as "real" emo goes, well, that's subjective. If a 'poser' kid genuinely believes they are an emo kid, are they? Some people would say yes, others would say no. I say that it's not my place to judge the kid, seeing as that reminds me a little too much of high school.

As far as the music goes- It's not my thing; and by that I mean that I would love to cholk the lead singer of MCR until he turned blue and sta-
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You've heard the competing definitions, now hear the best:

An 'Emo' person is just a goth who doesn't like goth music.

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post Jan 24 2006, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE (ammisan @ Jan 23 2006, 11:43 PM)
As far as the music goes- It's not my thing; and by that I mean that I would love to cholk the lead singer of MCR until he turned blue and sta-
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Hehehe. I would too. biggrin.gif

Anyway, I don't see the point of trying to organize people into neat little groups like that. If someone wants to say they're emo, goth, or whatever else...I don't care. I'm not going to tell them that they aren't. I don't see why it should matter to me how other people classify themselves.

But then, I don't base my identity around being associated with a particular genre of music. Perhaps it would mean more to someone who wanted to be seen a certain way, and thought others were ruining their reputation by identifying themselves the same way and acting in a manner the person didn't like. So then the person just wants to yell "Hey, stop that, you're making the rest of us look bad!" Hmm. Sounds an awful lot like being American... rolleyes.gif

But nationality is something you're born with, and is a lifelong thing in most cases. Trends come and go, and it's probably best to not get too worked up about them. And anyone who would make assumptions about you based on the behavior of some other people who share a common trait with you is an idiot anyway. TWL, maybe you should just worry about how you portray yourself rather than getting so worked up about people who are, according to you, "posers."

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post Jan 24 2006, 10:17 PM
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I don't really know much about what real emo music sounds like, but the few samples I've heard have been awful.
I can understand the point about the real followers being upset about posers. There was a brief movement (it's not quite dead yet) at my school where being a nerd was supposedly cool, so the stylish girls were wearing shirts that said "Talk nerdy to me" and trying to pretend that they understood computers when they couldn't even explain what a hard drive was when they were asked. The guys who proudly identify themselves as nerds were horrified at the comparison and couldn't wait for the fad to end. tongue.gif


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post Jan 25 2006, 01:33 AM
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At school, the different ways people dress classify 'gangs'...which goes as such:

The 'tree kids' are the 'punk' kids, mostly in black, and various accessories, they all have tempers (I'm friends with many) and are the ones most of the 'normal' kids are scared of.


The 'wall kids' are the goth/misc misfit kids, are the ones that eat kind of over by 'the tree' but just lean against the wall and wear more black than the previous group, plus the black makeup and such. (I'm friends with some.)


The band kids sit infront of the band building. (I know all of them.)


And the 'nazi kids' eat at the opposite side of the court yard from the 'tree' and 'wall' kids. They're really not nazi's, some of them just have shaved heads, so everyone thought they were. In all actualness, they're just the lacrosse team. These are my current lunch group.



Anyway, there was a big thing last year between the 'tree' kids and the 'nazi' kids...which ended in anti-nazi patches being made, and suspension, and an almost all-out brawl. So yes, they all got called into a big meeting, and were told that if any of the 'gangs' from the court yard got in any more trouble, they'd be expelled...

It's stupid really. But yes, now our school is a 'gang' school because one group of people that dress alike get mad at another and it turns into badness.

Thankfully everything calmed down this year.


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but emos arent goths, so i dont think
actually its the scene kids yall ahve to watch out for.
god i hate them, they try to be all trendy and stuff. >.<
so they think they are emo!.
but are not ohmy.gif ]
i just wish people could relize that it is scene kids that should be public enemy number one (j\k)
lol
i do wish that this trend does go away, it does get annoying >.<

( i wish i could choke gerard way till he goes *pop!*)

doesnt anyone listen to rites of spring or indian summer?


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QUOTE (The Lorax @ Jan 25 2006, 01:33 AM)
And the 'nazi kids' eat at the opposite side of the court yard from the 'tree' and 'wall' kids. They're really not nazi's, some of them just have shaved heads, so everyone thought they were. In all actualness, they're just the lacrosse team.
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Help we're being invaded by the Nazis!

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Wait, don't panic, it's only the Lacrosse team again. Phew! biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (The Lorax @ Jan 24 2006, 08:33 PM)
It's stupid really. But yes, now our school is a 'gang' school...
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Aww. We have real gangs at my school. They attack day laborers and steal from 7-11s.

As far as emo goes, there's a significant following of groups like Hawthorne Heights among some of the kids who watch MTV and lots of the hipsters like Bright Eyes. No one really dresses according to emo style, though. Closest thing to it (as far as I can see) would be the theater kids, who have a penchant for black-framed glasses and poorly dyed hair (though the hot color to rebel with is red-brown). The theater kids are weak imitations of theater kids long past--these noobs think that theater is composed of Rent, Avenue Q and maybe a quick stop over to Wicked. And they all like Ashlee Simpson.

Clique-wise, there's the boys who play lacrosse, all of whom quote Dane Cook and secretly long to be wrestlers, and the girls who comb and curl their eyelashes. Most of these girls wear low-slung jeans, polo shirts and shrunken sweaters, and listen to the Garden State soundtrack. We used to have a significant hippie population, but most of those petered out after their fifth year of high school. There's also the black girls who tend to make themselves interchangable*, much to my dismay. They wear fur-trimmed high-heeled boots and very slick lips. There's a clan of trendy Jewish boys who enroll in too many AP classes and whine about it. Frankly, I miss the hippies.

*this is different from the monotony of other cliques because this one appears to be common to everyone in a race-gender group, as opposed to a sports team or group who swap makeup tips--thereby making the one who draws the generalizations profoundly uncomfortable. But it is very difficult to find a black girl at my school who doesn't fall into this group.


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post Jan 26 2006, 12:05 AM
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Your school sounds a bit like mine as far as cliques go, elphaba2.
We have a crowd of wannbe goth kids who think that shopping at Hot Topic and painting their nails black will make them edgy and cool, but our real emo population is very small.
I sort of know what you mean about the interchangable black girls, uncomfortable as it is, but my school is roughly one-third "Magnet" students, so we have interchangables and a group of really smart ones who I would like to know better if they were in more of my classes.
The Magnet program basically pulls a lot of the smart kids out of their home schools and puts them in one place where there are more challenging classes. I entered the Magnet program my freshman year and have had a lot of fun with it. It tends to cut some of the cliques up because deep down we know that we're all a bit geeky for taking harder classes by choice. tongue.gif We are sort of divided into different groups at different times (several tend to overlap): band kids, orchestra kids, advanced math students (these are the ones taking classes so hard that you would normally have them a year or two into college,) Robotics Club people, yearbook staff, and the inevitable cheerleaders and football players, though not many in the last group are in the Magnet program. We're all a bit like your group of Jewish boys, elphaba2, in that we all take far too many AP classes and then whine about how we're not getting enough sleep.


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QUOTE (Astarael @ Jan 25 2006, 05:05 PM)
We have a crowd of wannbe goth kids who think that shopping at Hot Topic and painting their nails black will make them edgy and cool


Haha, I am reminded of my old high school.
The "goth" population at my school was fairly large, actually, and the 'wannabe' kids never lasted too long. [If you can't tell, I subscribed to the 'Gothic Raver' subclass in high school.] We usually scared off people who bothered us, and then resumed our talks of Ren Faire, Philosiphy, Religion, Social Nuances, and wether any one of us would pass Government.

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lets see who gets this!

I AM NOT GOTH I'M FAR TOO INDIVIDUAL FOR THAT

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