Pro Life Or Pro Choice, what are you? Options

[LindyLouWho]

Is it evil and the work of the devil to abort a child or is it a godsend to prevent unwanted children from being forced into the word?

[cheese is funny]

abortion...

ok when: a girl is raped and cannot take care of it.... rape sucks so much... and when it involves pregnancy, its adding salt and lemon to the wound...

not ok when: some girl goes out, gets mad drunk, and fools around, gets pregnant, and says its not her fault....

note - im trying to show this from a chicks point of veiw i guess.... i dont know how to explain it from a guys... or maybe i am explaining it from a guys point of veiw... meh.. whatever...

[Debaser]

i am pro-choice. i believe that it's a woman's right to have an abortion if she wants one. for once, i also agree partially with the government's opinion on this. up to 20 weeks (the amount of time before the foetus becomes an independent life form) is an acceptable time to have an abortion. as for the "god's will" thing, although i don't believe in a god, no one takes into account that it might be god's will that you HAVE the abortion in the first place.

sorry, i'm rambling.

[Overfriendly_Kit...]

wow, what a question...

My personal belief is that Abortion should be allowed but carefully regulated.


There are many different and difficult issues all tied up with this one:

Issues like rape victims who don't want the child that's been forced on them. (also tied in with incest cases)

Mothers who want to have their child but may/will die in labour (worryingly high number of deaths during birth - especially in third world and developing countries)

Very young mothers eg teens who weren't given the kind of education that could have prevented their unwanted pregnancy.

Mothers with HIV/AIDS who don't want to pass on the disease to any children (esp in accidental pregnancy).

Mothers who find that their children will be born with serious defects/handicap.

Mothers who are too poor to be able to afford a child.

Then you have to look on the flip side - you have a human being who has, through no fault of their own, suddenly been created and now facing a potential death sentence.

I have to say that I am seriously concerned by the number of women (and men) who treat abortion as just another form of contraception. People who could have and should have taken more precautions before getting pregnant in the first place (I say people because it takes two to tango and the bloke invovled should assume some responsibility for his genetic material).

On the whole I don't think there should be a blanket 'yes or no' answer to this - but that abortion should be only used in the most serious of cases and only with the mother's full consent... I do not think that it should be thought of and then used as a quick and easy method of getting rid of 'a little problem'.

[Jaq]

Meh. I think it's pretty fuzzy. If you can physically have the child, then you should and if you don't want it there are plenty of infertile couples who do.

If you're very young, have been raped,if it's medically impossible to carry a baby to term, don't think you could care for the child but also don't think you could give it up, then I think you should have an abortion.

This is all the woman's choice though, no one should say what a woman can and can't do with her own body. I think that abortion should be legal (I know, it already is)

[Pikasyuu]

Pro choice.

[cheese is funny]

i think if a chick consents to having sex, has sex with out birth control, then she should have the child, she made a bad choice... she shouldnt be able to run away from it

[LoLo]

Pro-Choice.

It's a woman's body and the woman's fetus, it's her choice to decide what to do with it.

Many people who shouldn't have kids do. Accidents happen and people who don't want children can end up with one. If a woman has the guts to get one, then she should be able too. I personally wouldn't because of the mental pain and anguish that came from simply having a miscarriage. I thought I killed the baby and it still eats me up inside to this day, and to do it on purpose wouldn't be something I could handle. That's just me though.

Making it illegal just leads to more deaths. Women will get it done wether it is legal or not. Having it not be legal just meens that it is done in an uncontrolled usually dirty and unsteril environment. This leads to not only the childs death but the moms as well.

[Phyllis]

i am emphatically pro-choice.

i do not, however, think it should be a form of contraception, but an emergency, one-time thing.

i also think the father's feelings should be considered...if he's willing to raise it on his own, then the mother should consider that option. however, it is still her body, and she should be able to decide whether she wants to carry a baby to full term.

i am against partial-birth abortions...if you're gonna wait that long, then you should just have the baby.

[MistressAlti]

Pro-life. I know I'm probably bucking the trend here, but I think if you're having sex, then you've already made your choice. I believe human beings are human from conception, and I believe terminating a pregancy is terminating a life. This doesn't mean I condemn anyone that is pro-choice or anyone that has ever had an abortion, but I don't believe it's right.

Sorry. I know I'm a silly conservative Christian stereotype. Just the way I am.

[Phyllis]

nothing wrong w/ that at all missy. i have many friends who are pro-life. in fact, i think i may be the only one out of my group from high school who is pro-choice.

anyway, this is a related topic that i just never understood..and mind you i realize that these people i'm about to discuss are the minority and that the vast majority of pro-life people are in no way like these nuts..and that such incidences are, in fact, very rare. i just don't understand why some fanatics bomb abortion clinics....aren't they killing people by doing so? what makes an abortion doctor somehow less sacred than a fetus?

[oobunnie]

I'm pro choice, although i dont know if I could abort a child thats doesnt mean other people shouldnt have the right to.

This reminds me of an idea i had. You see rather than wasting medical money (for those of use who live in countrys with public health care) just give them a free sterilization after the 20th abortion. I think its a win win situation. The girls doesnt have to waste a day in an abortion clinic ever again, and tax payers get to stop paying for them. Now i do mean this in a cynical sort of a way for those that just dont seem to catch on to the entire maybe i should start getting some portection deal.

[leopold]

Step forth yet another pro-choicer...

I dun think I can add anythin else to what everyone else has said - Cheese said it first an everyone else has followed that abortion in some cases is a good, or even necessary thing, but not an option for birth control.

There was a woman, lived not too far from here (I don't know her) was raped an got pregnant from it. On the day she went to the clinic, there was a pro-life demo goin on an they basically made her feel like she was the scum of the earth! I mean, how awful!! Poor lass has to endure the trauma of rape, discoverin she's pregnant an havin an abortion, then gettin a faceful of how she's evil an goin to hell!! I'm sorry missy - I'm sure yer not like that, but that kinda behaviour makes me very angry...

[hinsley]

not ok when: some girl goes out, gets mad drunk, and fools around, gets pregnant, and says its not her fault....

it is her fault but it's the guys fault too.

PRO CHOICE HERE.

[nordelen]

It's a woman's body and the woman's fetus, it's her choice to decide what to do with it.

when the pregnancy is just through stupidity the father should be told though. (and when i say stupidity i mean on both the parents parts; if a man decides that he is'nt going to use protection just because it decreses the sensation he should be left to his own "devices", and not be allowed into decent society.) the woman should not have to suffer with the decession alone, and the irrisponsable men should not be allowed to cost through life like this.
as for the acctual topic: i think that abortion should be allowed, but on a case-by-case basis.

[MoonlightSavings...]

I'm pro-choice, but I don't feel like talking about abortion right now. Instead I want to mention how important it is that people receive a decent education on contraceptives at an early age.

Also, I'm probably one of the few who has no objections to late-term pregnancy abortion though.

I've beaten this subject to death in the past so I'm too lazy to go into anymore detail at the moment.

[WeeJ]

I know that if my boyfriend and I messed up, I would want an abortion. He was quite shocked when I told him this.
The thought of me ending up pregnant gives him the heebie jeebies, as it does me. It would completely mess up both of our lives right now.

I held a three week old baby in my arms the weekend. It felt magical. He was sleeping and kept making little cute baby noises.

Someone then decided to lump me with another sprog for a while. This baby was VERY awake and just kept bawling at me. I didn't have a clue what to do and my mom took the small bundle of 'joy' off me and it immediatly shut up. Just made me aware of how much of a shite mother I'd be :/

[Skiz]

Abortion to prevent suffering is fine previding theres an upper limit on when (I think the current one may be too high).

Abortion as birth control is wrong.

I think in some young people having a baby would ruin their life and maybe build resentment so maybe abortion is right in that situation.

Personally I wouldnt have one, but I dont think you can really say that until youve been in the situation. Im keeping an open mind.

[Mr Fuzzy]

To throw in another point that came up here about contraception...

Why are men expected to carry a condom, but few women will? They will be using the damn thing too!
If *everybody* keeps them handy, then there is no problem if one person runs out or loses their 'supplies'.

(by the way, I do carry them)

[MistressAlti]

Hey, some girls do carry them...

I had a keychain with a condom inside of it for a long time, but a friend needed the latex balloon, so it got donated to her cause.

I haven't replaced it yet, considering I'm not sexually active and don't really worry about it for myself, but I carry for other people sometimes.

(a bit off topic, this was, but it ties to fuzzy's commentary...)

[cheese is funny]

i have to agree with fuzzy whole heartedly on this one... if a person is sexually active, regardless of gender, s/he should carry a condom on them... it would probebly mean alot less unwanted pregnancies....

and while we are on this topic... why do i seem to hear of people saying things like "i dont have sex with a condom because i love her/him"? what the hell is up with that shitty logic? unless they intend on having a kid... that is the most stupid saying ive heard ever...

[Skiz]

In most circumstances now there are so many ways of preventing pregnancy most excuses mean nothing. The only one which holds any water is refusing on cultural/religious grounds (personally think this is also poor, but I can understand why some people dont use it in these situations).

There was a theory that all young women should be fitted with the coil at 13 so that the chances of them getting pregnant are reduced. It would solve a lot of heartache put the coil has its problems and it is infringing personal choice. What do you think?

[Phyllis]

the coil (also called an IUD) is an extremely dangerous device that could lead to a woman bleeding to death internally through perforation of the uterus. that is a horrible idea. as is all forced birth control, in my opinion..there are several religions that are opposed to birth control, plus it'd just be wrong to go against a person's rights like that.

[leopold]

Erm, perhaps not... I've heard the coil is pretty horrible...

To touch on what cheese says about condoms an people not usin 'em... I still use condoms even though I'm married. An yes, that's wi the wife exclusively! She had a bad reaction to the pill, an we dun want kids, so it's that or no sex...

[craziness]

i NEVER want children.
what if the condom breaks?
what if the pill doesnt work?
IT COULD HAPPEN.
i would be the most horrible mother ever and also, i dont want to go through the pain of it! if somebody wants to do something to their own body, then leave them the &*%^ alone!!!!!! [as long as its not going to kill them, for example if somebody was anarexic. they are doing something to their own body, but they are also slowly killing themselves, and if they do recover, their body will most likely be scarred by it forever.]
people telling me i shouldnt be able to have an abortion just kills me. so i shouldnt be able to have sex without risking having a kid? some people dont want kids! if its a religious issue, may i remind you that we are [these days] not supposed to tie religion into the law? i could rant about this for about another 3946523653 hours. its juts not right to force somebody into that. weather she was raped or not.