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post Jul 26 2004, 03:32 PM
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Does anyone know any ancient languages? I worked on Ancient Egyptian for a minute, but I don't know any now... How about A. Greek or A. Hebrew? Sure, they may be dead, but so's Shakespeare...


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post Jul 26 2004, 07:10 PM
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Actually, Hebrew isn't dead at all. It's being spoken by several million Israelis at this very moment!
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post Jul 27 2004, 12:44 AM
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QUOTE (Polocrunch @ Jul 26 2004, 03:10 PM)
Actually, Hebrew isn't dead at all. It's being spoken by several million Israelis at this very moment!

Ancient Hebrew my friend...

Closest I came was a small amount of Latin but I haven't really done much with that, just don't have the time. It isn't all that ancient though so...
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post Jul 27 2004, 09:28 AM
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QUOTE (EvilSpoon @ Jul 27 2004, 01:44 AM)
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Actually, Hebrew isn't dead at all. It's being spoken by several million Israelis at this very moment!

Ancient Hebrew my friend...

Ancient Hebrew and modern Hebrew are the same thing. The language hasn't changed very much for millennia. So nyah. tongue.gif
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post Jul 27 2004, 04:36 PM
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The good old Greek and Latin. That's the problem these days, no rigour.
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post Jul 27 2004, 04:45 PM
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I think one of peoples' main problems with Latin is that nobody knows how it sounds. Anyway, does anyone at least know where to find a good tutorial, or am I gonna have to get one of my linguist friends over here to teach us all?


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post Jul 27 2004, 06:38 PM
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Latin sounds like English but with c as k and v as w.
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post Jul 27 2004, 07:27 PM
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Not to sound snide or anything, but how do we know? No one's spoken it as a native tongue in over a thousand years.


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post Jul 27 2004, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE (eleraama @ Jul 27 2004, 08:27 PM)
Not to sound snide or anything, but how do we know?

From songs that are sung in Latin.


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post Jul 28 2004, 10:04 AM
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Actually Latin is still spoken in The Vatican by The Pope etc.
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post Jul 28 2004, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE (Greeneyes @ Jul 27 2004, 09:02 PM)
QUOTE (eleraama @ Jul 27 2004, 08:27 PM)
Not to sound snide or anything, but how do we know?

From songs that are sung in Latin.

I'd guess that it was spoken with a regional accent - so originally in Italy it would've been spoken with a slightly Italian accent, and then in France with a vaguely French accent. That way, the Romance languages would have emerged. But that's just a random theory with no backing at all.
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post Jul 28 2004, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE (Polocrunch @ Jul 28 2004, 06:45 AM)
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QUOTE (eleraama @ Jul 27 2004, 08:27 PM)
Not to sound snide or anything, but how do we know?

From songs that are sung in Latin.

I'd guess that it was spoken with a regional accent - so originally in Italy it would've been spoken with a slightly Italian accent, and then in France with a vaguely French accent. That way, the Romance languages would have emerged. But that's just a random theory with no backing at all.

Actually there are scholars who devote a lot of time to figuring out regional pronunciations of Latin. What confuses people more is that there's Church Latin and Classical Latin, both of which have similar spellings (with exceptions in the alphabet, such as Church Latin having "J" wheras Classical Latin does not -- leading to the Iesu vs. Jesu), but are pronounced differently. For example, Agnus Dei, in Church Latin, is approximately pronounced Ah-nyoos Day-ee, whereas with the classical pronunciation, the word is Agg-nus Day-ee. In addition, "V" is pronounced as an English "v" instead of the Classical Latin "w" pronunciation. "ae" is pronounced quite differently in Classical Latin, where it makes an "eye' sound, whereas in Church Latin it makes an "aye" sound... and so on. Then there's the regional versions... although I am most familiar with Italian Church Latin, it difers from German Church Latin, etc. This complicates things for choirs, which are singing pieces like Bruckner's Masses, which should technically be pronounced in a German dialect of Church Latin, but most choirs these days are much more familiar with the Italian version...


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post Sep 12 2004, 01:17 PM
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QUOTE (Polocrunch @ Jul 26 2004, 08:10 PM)
Actually, Hebrew isn't dead at all. It's being spoken by several million Israelis at this very moment!
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That's a language I'd love to learn tongue.gif
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post Sep 12 2004, 02:03 PM
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Ooh, Raptor Red knows a great deal of ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. My Hebrew is limited to the dreidel tongue.gif


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post Sep 13 2004, 12:01 AM
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Speaking of ancient languages, I've always wanted to learn Gaelic. (I don't think it's ancient, but it is old).


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post Sep 14 2004, 09:49 PM
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hungarian (magyar)
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post Sep 15 2004, 03:37 PM
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Hungarian is a living language spoken by tens of millions of Hungarians to this very day.
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post Sep 15 2004, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE (Dreams On Hiatus @ Sep 13 2004, 01:01 AM)
Speaking of ancient languages, I've always wanted to learn Gaelic. (I don't think it's ancient, but it is old).
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My name - Seán - is Gaelic, as is my girlfriend's - Siobhán. Gaelic pronunciation is quite different from English:

s, when preceding a vowel (that is, starting a syllable) is pronounced sh.
bh is pronounced v.
á - the accent is called a fada - is pronounced aw.

There's plenty more rules, of course, those I just the ones I know and am certain of smile.gif It's really a very pretty language, I like it.


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post Sep 15 2004, 06:09 PM
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How about Ancient Aramayic (sp?) Tee Hee!
Sorry bit of a joke if you ask me seeing as there's no such thing as modern Aramayic yet it's always alway refered to as ancient.

I was watching something the other day and apparently birtish Classical Latin is about the purest cause when it was brought here we had to learn it by form cause it was differnt to our traditional language where as else where it was used there was similarities to the language so got corrupted.


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post Sep 15 2004, 07:26 PM
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That's because we were a bunch of backwards people who didn't have central heating when the Roman's came.

And how about you learn Manchu? (That's Mongolian)
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post Sep 16 2004, 09:21 PM
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QUOTE (CommieBastard @ Sep 15 2004, 10:43 AM)
My name - Seán - is Gaelic, as is my girlfriend's - Siobhán. Gaelic pronunciation is quite different from English:

s, when preceding a vowel (that is, starting a syllable) is pronounced sh.
bh is pronounced v.
á - the accent is called a fada - is pronounced aw.

There's plenty more rules, of course, those I just the ones I know and am certain of smile.gif It's really a very pretty language, I like it.
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My name's Gaelic too (Brenna). I think it means 'raven-haired' but then again I looked it up online and not all sites that give name meanings are accurate.

*copies and pastes rules* Yay! It's only a little bit but it's a start.


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post Nov 2 2004, 07:45 PM
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I know a fair bit o' Latin... Err... yeah.


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post Nov 14 2004, 08:33 PM
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Shalom wink.gif
Maneshma?

ummm... I don't actually know how to spell the hebrew in the english characters... heh.. anyway.. I've just started learning Latin at school... it's quite easy to understand writen down because it's so similar to english in places...


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post Nov 15 2004, 05:29 PM
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!שלם


(That took ages to find!)
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lol... although if you want to be REALLY picky...שלום (the ו is an 'o')


שמ' אמה
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